England vs T&T

[Trem]

Half time, what a joke our forwards are. Why the fuck is Crouch still playing. Put bloody Carrick on or even Sven, he would do better. Was Owen even there today?

Rooney won't save us from exitting in the next round imho.

 

[Unleashed]

This is England m8 we never do things the easy way

On a serious note.. we need to step up a few gears else 2nd place in Group could well be a meeting with Germany. Wouldn't fancy that tbh!

 

[Aada]

Half time, what a joke our forwards are. Why the fuck is Crouch still playing. Put bloody Carrick on or even Sven, he would do better. Was Owen even there today?

Rooney won't save us from exitting in the next round imho.

Spared myself from watching it.

 

[Ch3tan]

2nd half was good aada. lennon made a huge difference, he and beckham linked up well. gerrard finally got to attack a bit, and showed his shooting class.

 

[old.user4556]

Non existent lethargic play for ~70 mins, only to pick up from then on. Typical England.

One thing I noticed about the likes of Italy - pace, loads and loads of pace, getting the ball up on the counter attack, building fast stings. England just piss around at the back ... pass to and fro, put a long ball and lose possession. Rinse and repeat. They're going to have to get rid of Owen, just useless.

That said, i've noticed that T&T are playing like all other non-hopefuls at the moment (Ghana, T&T, Poland to name three) - they all just defend, very little attacking, just solid defending at the back, almost as if to force a draw. They know they won't win the world cup. Teams like Sweden, Germany and England have all struggled to score or build winning attacks against these teams. This game was so like Germany's (boring tbh): an attacking and technically superior team playing a very defensive little hope team - it wasn't until the very last minute that Germany pulled it out the bag, like England.

Going forward, I fancy Italy to win - unless England change quickly and get the pressure on early like they did in the last 15 minutes, it won't happen for them. However, they might not need to change if they play a more aggresive team.

 

[xxManiacxx]

England had what Sweden lacked. A last gear to force in a goal.

Quite boring game though and you could see even England had problems with T&T

 

[Unleashed]

The main problem is Lampard and Gerrard imo.

We need to play a holding midfielder so these two can do what they do best get forward and score goals (As Gerrard showed).

We were over-run at times in midfield, against a better team we will really struggle!

 

[Calaen]

aye was bored again :-( Venables is right we need carrick in midfield to hold it together for gerard and lampard to go forward. Lennon done well.

 

[GDW]

Why the is Crouch still playing.

err because he can score goals

 

[cHodAX]

England were dire. Gerrard was poor again and wasted so much possesion it isn't funny but scored so ther goes Carrick's chance of getting a game anytime soon. When will Sven realise that Lampard and Gerrard just doesn't work?

 

[mank!]

utter gash

 

[throdgrain]

Big G is right. T&T only defended, for the greater part of the game they had 9 men defending.As soon as they lost a goal, and came forward, we scored again. It would never be easy like that.

 

[Calaen]

good teams can unlock tight defences though, its no good hitting the ball into the box from 60 yards. much better to get behind the defence and cross when they are running back towards their own goal.

 

[Thornbeard]

The game was cryiing out for Lennon tbh after about 2-3 jinky runs up the line seemed Gerrard/Lampard had more room to weave there magic...well done England

 

[Deebs]

Gonna have to be honest here and ask, where the fuck is the England team that is gonna win the World Cup?

I was bored after 20 mins and drove home to watch the 2nd half. England will not win the World Cup by a long shot. We are not WC quality and these 2 games only show that.

Don't spout on about heat, humidty and leaves on the track. We are just shit.

COME ON ITALY!!

 

[GDW]

LOL love the way you English criticise your country's team, its all or nothing. Saying they aren't world cup quality lol. They aren't the best team in the world but they aren't the worst by far.

I dont understand why you dont do what you do with league football..i.e. pick a team and support them no matter how well or badly they perform.


TBH you all sound like my 6 year old son who swaps allegiance nearly every match to pick a winning team.



Mind you if Northern Ireland can beat you

 

[throdgrain]

LOL love the way you English criticise your country's team, its all or nothing. Saying they aren't world cup quality lol. They aren't the best team in the world but they aren't the worst by far.

I dont understand why you dont do what you do with league football..i.e. pick a team and support them no matter how well or badly they perform.


TBH you all sound like my 6 year old son who swaps allegiance nearly every match to pick a winning team.



Mind you if Northern Ireland can beat you

I know they're such wankers arnt they They are supporters, yet they dont support, they just sit in the pub/canteen/living room thinking they are fucking football experts. As for swapping to support another team... jesus , words fail me

 

[DaGaffer]

LOL love the way you English criticise your country's team, its all or nothing. Saying they aren't world cup quality lol. They aren't the best team in the world but they aren't the worst by far.

I dont understand why you dont do what you do with league football..i.e. pick a team and support them no matter how well or badly they perform.


TBH you all sound like my 6 year old son who swaps allegiance nearly every match to pick a winning team.



Mind you if Northern Ireland can beat you

Read the thread. Deebs has a justifiable foot in both camps. I think you'll find most of us who don't have that luxury support only England, no matter how many heart attacks we have to endure.

 

[throdgrain]

You have a point about Deebs Dagaffer, though waiting till a few matches in to choose what team to support is still bloody wierd if you ask me. I would have thought he would have supported one or the other from an early age.

 

[Thornbeard]

Mind you if Northern Ireland can beat you

tbh we got lucky team selection and England's we just have to turn up .. attitude

 

[Ardas Nails]

<shakes head>

 

[Trem]

You have a point about Deebs Dagaffer, though waiting till a few matches in to choose what team to support is still bloody wierd if you ask me. I would have thought he would have supported one or the other from an early age.

I disagree there me old mucker.

These fucking jokers get paid gazillions of pounds and the whole nation was looking forward to this so much. We are allowed to bitch about them if we want, it shows we care.

They are just prancing about like they don't give a fuck and it seems like they don't realise that almost the whole nation cares a hell of a lot.

They still get paid if they win or lose, they don't care.

Crouch is useless, he only got that goal because it was a fluke

Gerrards goal was good but was also a fluke, I think thats the first time hes ever scored with his left foot isn't it?

T&T did defend the whole match but we knew they would yet we couldn't do anything about it, not even with our 'world class stars'

All we did was hoof the long ball in over and over, even a fucking hamster realises when something doesn't work.

I reckon Sweden will beat us then we will play Germany in the next round and they will murder us, good German side or not.

 

[mank!]

I dont understand why you dont do what you do with league football..i.e. pick a team and support them no matter how well or badly they perform.

i never chose to support swindon but my support for that poxy little football club is unquestionable, whatever i say or do i'm still 100% swindon.

i just can't bring myself to muster the same sort of interest in international football, england or otherwise. i want to see england win and do well, but the sort of passion i feel about swindon simply doesn't exist. i'm not particularly patriotic, i don't really like this country anyway. even so, i'll support 'em in my own way, whether it be sat in my living room, down the pub or at the game (the last is unlikely).

anyway, the performance was pretty poor but the fact is that england don't like playing against teams who set out to defend at all costs. t&t are more or less a team made up of lower league journeymen - bar the odd obvious exception - and the last time england came up against a team made up of the same sort of players, we lost 1-0 to northern ireland. there's no excuses for the performance, it just wasn't good enough.

the game was dull as dishwater but t&t's negative tactics were the main cause of that but there was no movement off the ball, set pieces were formulaic and we suffered from what we called 'rory fallon syndrome' at swindon - stick a big bloke up front and everyone decides to play hoofball isntead.

owen's not match fit and it's clearly obvious, he's a predatory striker who plays far up the pitch. crouch is a targetman who can use his feet but is no good at linking up with the midfield. without a player like rooney in the side there's simply no link-up play between midfield and attack and as such the ball ends up getting hoofed up the pitch. rooney is our playmaker, in the same way as zidane is for france, ronaldinho is for brazil.

it's odd how england's performance mirror those of swindon's at times. both teams are incapable of beating 'battling' sides but will give any footballing side a run for their money.

bit of a ramble, but never mind.

 

[DaGaffer]

I disagree there me old mucker.

These fucking jokers get paid gazillions of pounds and the whole nation was looking forward to this so much. We are allowed to bitch about them if we want, it shows we care.

They are just prancing about like they don't give a fuck and it seems like they don't realise that almost the whole nation cares a hell of a lot.

They still get paid if they win or lose, they don't care.

Crouch is useless, he only got that goal because it was a fluke

Gerrards goal was good but was also a fluke, I think thats the first time hes ever scored with his left foot isn't it?

T&T did defend the whole match but we knew they would yet we couldn't do anything about it, not even with our 'world class stars'

All we did was hoof the long ball in over and over, even a fucking hamster realises when something doesn't work.

I reckon Sweden will beat us then we will play Germany in the next round and they will murder us, good German side or not.

I don't really agree; Crouch isn't useless, but its obvious that he needs a particular type of service from midfield, and he wasn't getting that until late on (look at his Liverpool experience, his early goal drought wasn't just about him, it was about how he fit in to the team); unfortunately that means he's not much use to England because he needs a settled team that knows how to use him.

I agree that the whole 'hoof it up the pitch' thing was painful to watch (and ironically for a big bloke, not the kind of balls Crouch needs, he's much better with it played to his feet), but as Mank points out, its because of the lack of a link man (until Rooney came on). However, it was also because of another factor; fucking Sven. I think this was one of the first games I've seen where he's made intelligent substitutions, but didn't he watch the T&T v Sweden game? Its obvious they were going to have nine men back and that without Rooney we had no-one who could run through them, so why didn't he have wide players right from the off? Joe Cole and Carragher were the two best players in the first half because they kept catching T&T wide.

There's a lot of talent in that squad, maybe not everyone, but 5-6 players have proved themselves to be as good as anyone in Europe at club level; if it isn't working, you can't just dismiss them as a load of overpaid lazy twats, you have to look to the manager, and I don't think he's got it in him to sort their problems out before they meet real opposition (although I keep thinking back to Italia 90 when they were worse than this at the start).

Not sure whether they'll beat Sweden or not; the Swedes looked no better tbh, and they might not even want to; Ecuador could be a trickier prospect than the Germans.

 

[Deebs]

Hmm

If it be known I bet 5 quid that England would lose tonight. I don't have any England flags or wish England to win the World Cup, I know it would be a lost cause.

Italy are not much better, to be honest not seen any team that stands out and shouts "World Cup Winners 2006" but I choose Italy over England.

All you English fans, tell me what IS different about the last World Cup that is different? Exactly, fuck all. We play the same game, we put the same pressure on the same players, we make up the same excuses.

England needs a complete revamp if it is to get anywhere in this level of competition and thank fuck it will happen after Sven has left.

Bite me but I hope Italy wins but I will be glad if Germany wins because I will win £31 quid

 

[Wonk]

I kinda agree with some of you guys. It was really boring watching those long balls ending up nowhere. They really needed someone who could link up with the midfield. Also, Lampard had some damn many useless tries :/ Dunno what the fuck was up with him.

ow, and I really hope Italy gets their ass kicked in the next 2 games. That Spotti can just fo :/ Spain will have bigger chances of winning the world cup.

 

[SAS]

The opposition know our formation before we hit the pitch. I'd say it's our biggest problem. Can't see us changing much on the pitch bar injuries, so this allows teams to plan counter measures to rooney e.t.c. Mind you planning and actions are different things, but still you want some unknown elements to a team selection to keep the opposition guessing?

 

[Nedo]

England were dire. Gerrard was poor again and wasted so much possesion it isn't funny but scored so ther goes Carrick's chance of getting a game anytime soon. When will Sven realise that Lampard and Gerrard just doesn't work?

Agree 100%, gives 2 players doing the same thing and wrong balance in team. Bit same issue like France has with Vieira and Makelele imo...both to good to put out of the team but to similar to be good in same 11 man team.

 

[Deebs]

Quote from Ted:

TedTheDog says:
engerland! .... are shit. i predicted last night! i said they'd be shit but win 2-0
TedTheDog says:
and dont start me on the eyeties, bunch of cheating fucking tossers
TedTheDog says:
diving is cheating. simple as that. and nobody dives more than the italians.thats why i hate football these days. cheating is tolerated. they should be red carding divers even if it means some teams get their whole team sent off


The Dawg is all class

 

[Ch3tan]

I reckon Sweden will beat us then we will play Germany in the next round and they will murder us, good German side or not.

Actually, Germany may not finish top of their group now, so England wouldn't play them.