Dvla

[gohan]

firstly a good mate of mine died in a car crash yestoday.....


but my main gripe is that he failed TWELVE tests before fianally passing, why the fuck is some1 who clearly cant drive aloud to take this many tests in the space of a few years till he flukes one??

maybe im being stupid but i blame the money grabbing enviroment we live in for his death.... as far as the DVLA are concerned he's paying for the tests so he's entitled to keep taking them

 

[Mey]

Man that sucks! Sorry to hear about that matey. Must be pretty shocking.

I assume he was driving?

With the tests you are suposed to have a cool-down peroid after each one. Not too sure of how long it is.

 

[gohan]

Man that sucks! Sorry to hear about that matey. Must be pretty shocking.

I assume he was driving?

With the tests you are suposed to have a cool-down peroid after each one. Not too sure of how long it is.

not sure either, but he'd fail and rebook before leaving so cant ahve been long....

ye he was driving and from what i heard he was unfortunatly at fault for the accident, which makes it alot worse cos i dont really have any1 to blame


and we always need some1 to blame

 

[Chronictank]

firstly a good mate of mine died in a car crash yestoday.....


but my main gripe is that he failed TWELVE tests before fianally passing, why the fuck is some1 who clearly cant drive aloud to take this many tests in the space of a few years till he flukes one??

maybe im being stupid but i blame the money grabbing enviroment we live in for his death.... as far as the DVLA are concerned he's paying for the tests so he's entitled to keep taking them

Surely the fact he had to take it 12 times shows that the tests worked?

You can in practice take it as many times as you want, but
If you fail you need to wait 10 working days before you re-apply, this process takes approximately 3 weeks to be booked and processed.

Your provisional lasts for 3 years? (i forget exactly how long), once it expires you need to re-apply for your provisional liscence, redo the theory tests, and re-do the mandatory number of lessons.

He eventually must have become reasonably competant to be able to pass, what you do after your test cant really be controlled by the DVLA, i would guess he simply ignored all the advice and went into habits he did in the first 12 times

 

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ive already said before in a post people who fail 4+ times should not be allowed to take it for some months

 

[Himse]

Surely the fact he had to take it 12 times shows that the tests worked?

You can in practice take it as many times as you want, but
If you fail you need to wait 10 working days before you re-apply, this process takes approximately 3 weeks to be booked and processed.

Your provisional lasts for 3 years? (i forget exactly how long), once it expires you need to re-apply for your provisional liscence, redo the theory tests, and re-do the mandatory number of lessons.

He eventually must have become reasonably competant to be able to pass, what you do after your test cant really be controlled by the DVLA, i would guess he simply ignored all the advice and went into habits he did in the first 12 times

10 working days?

i failed my first then went straight back indoors and rebooked my test.

luckily i passed on my second.

 

[old.Tohtori]

maybe im being stupid but i blame the money grabbing enviroment we live in for his death.... as far as the DVLA are concerned he's paying for the tests so he's entitled to keep taking them

Like you said, you need someone to blame. Basic human problem. Can't blame yourself, no point in blaming your friend(who didn't stop trying to take the test and got himself killed), so you blame the people who let him do what he wanted to do.

Don't think you're stupid, just in denial of a friend being too silly for life.

 

[Chronictank]

10 working days?

i failed my first then went straight back indoors and rebooked my test.

luckily i passed on my second.

this is on the DVLA site, i honestly doubt you took it the next day

 

[Olgaline]

well basicly what toht said, and very sorry to hear about that mate,
on a thought tho' werent you the one that posted the motercycle crash story too ?
with the guy and the ambulace and so on ?

I would add tho that we often seem to forget personal responsibility that single individuals acountabilities in the choices they make.

If we were to legislate all messurs of possibilities in where individuals pose a theoretical treat? well, we'd be faced with a situation where we hardly could leave our own front door.

as chronic mentioned, there are already messures to ensure safe drivers, yet sadly simply passing a driving test doesnt really reflec how you'll behave on the road, you can just as easily have a bloke ace his test and sortly after smash is car into another due to simply being a recless twat, or under the influence or and so on.

He should maybe have thought to wait a while and practice some more, or people in his close proximity should have talked to him about it. alot can be avoided that way by taking care off eachother, this also means keeping eachother out of potential harms way without the need for legislative enfocement.

 

[gohan]

well basicly what toht said, and very sorry to hear about that mate,
on a thought tho' werent you the one that posted the motercycle crash story too ?
with the guy and the ambulace and so on ?

nope not even sure what story you mean, and yes i know its his own stuborness ect but i still think thier should be a limit, that many tests in 1 years is excessive and clearly not safe ...

 

[Chronictank]

nope not even sure what story you mean, and yes i know its his own stuborness ect but i still think thier should be a limit, that many tests in 1 years is excessive and clearly not safe ...

well he clearly was safe by the end of it,
the test is on real roads in real conditions i really cant see how much more accurate of a test you want

I hate to be so crude at a time like this, but a million tests wouldn't have saved your friend
Because he more than likely behaved to pass the test then threw it all out the window causing his unfortunate accident
No amount of testing can prevent peoples own lack of common sense

The tests aren't perfect by any means, but that is one flaw no testing structure can prevent

 

[gohan]

well he clearly was safe by the end of it,
the test is on real roads in real conditions i really cant see how much more accurate of a test you want

I hate to be so crude at a time like this, but a million tests wouldn't have saved your friend
Because he more than likely behaved to pass the test then threw it all out the window causing his unfortunate accident
No amount of testing can prevent peoples own lack of common sense

The tests aren't perfect by any means, but that is one flaw no testing structure can prevent

no but its clear when some1 fails a test 12 times thier not good enough


at work if i fail my GI test 3 times i get told to find another job, i cant keep doing it till i pass

 

[Chronictank]

no but its clear when some1 fails a test 12 times thier not good enough


at work if i fail my GI test 3 times i get told to find another job, i cant keep doing it till i pass

Yet after 12 times they were good enough, thats the point
if they weren't then they wouldn't have passed

If you are arguing whether the test needs to be more thorough, then that is another matter but that is not the same as failing repeatedly

I have no idea what a GI test is, but there is a significant difference between passing a test for work and a driving liscence..

 

[Golena]

Yet after 12 times they were good enough, thats the point
if they weren't then they wouldn't have passed

I guess I disagree here.

If I gave you a complex mathamatical equation, then asked you what the answer was. You could in theory simply guess 9.

Now if I let you retake that test 80 times until the answer was 9, would you then claim you had a good enough understanding of maths to help build a nuclear reactor?

I do think that how long you have to wait before your next test should be set by the test instructor, not be a fixed value. If you fail for say, touching the curb slightly during a reverse park but other than that you were fairly safe, then taking your test again in 2 weeks might be ok. If you failed because you had no idea how to control a car safely then you should have to wait longer, not just keep going until you fluke it.

My dad basically just re-took his test until he got through.. The first few years of driving i'm shocked he didn't have a major accident because he simply had no idea what he was doing..

Sorry to hear about your mate tho. It's a story that we hear slightly too often these days.

 

[Tilda]

I'm sorry he died, but honestly if he was to blame, its natural you're going to feel angry, and perhaps slightly confused that you're angry with a guy whos died. But thats normal, if it was his fault, you can be angry with him, its ok, its part of the grieving process.

 

[Nate]

Sorry for your loss

For how many people that fail 12 times, of those how many do you think cause accidents? Do they cause more accidents then other drivers who passed after 10, 8, 6, 1? More then drunk drivers? More then bikers who like to show off a little too much?