Drop Pre-claiming

[old.shotgunstow]

Can I just ask everyone who is organising any raids to stop pre-claiming drops. Dragon raids I agree with pre-claiming a respec stone as most of you are gimped to hell and it may help the realm if you respec. I agree with this primarily because there are 25 of each stone and enough to give plenty of people one, and eventually the entire realm one each (or two each in Ptora's case ).

So the basic point of this post is to say claiming anything other than a respec stone from a raid just because you organised it is unreasonable, imo.

 

[Ekydus]

It is reasonable if you organise it, after all a well run raid is usually aided by the leadership quality of the raid leader.

However, to do the same raid over and over and claim items over and over just because you can lead a raid is out of order, In my opinion.

 

[old.LandShark]

We needed a seperate thread on THIS, that's for damn sure. :uhoh:
Sucks but it's going to happen. Hell, if I was organising raids (which... nah, would be a disaster I would say that I would get 2rolls in the lotto instead of 1.

 

[Ekydus]

Hmm maybe that would be fairer, the people who say "That item or no raid." can't really do much then.

This way they get higher odds as a reward for leading the raid, without claiming the best item in the game etc... without doing a lotto for it fairly like the other normal players.

 

[**Aligro**]

can you you say that claiming 1 drop after doing 8 raids and prolly the same amount of raids again is out of order?

 

[loxleyhood]

A leader claiming a drop is fair, as organising and leading takes ages, lots of effott and a great sacrifice of lots of things.

All you lot do is show up on the day and whine at the end

 

[old.Ramas]

Rules on this imho will always be...

1) You can't pre-claim a damn thing unless you state that you are doing so clearly in the invite.

2) If you pre-claim anything I would normally lotto for then it's highly unlikely that I will be coming (with the exception of respec stones since there are 25 of them), and will consider anyone who drops out when they discover you are pre-claiming to be taking an entirely reasonable view.

3) I might look on things a little more favourably if you were splitting items by guild, since at least then I'd know my guild was getting an equal share of good items, even if my own chances were restricted by pre-claimage.

/shrug

Note that this falls within the generalised raid lotto golden rules...

1) Raid leader makes the rules.

2) If you don't like them, don't go, and if you really want - make your own damn raid.

So, of course you are *allowed* to pre-claim, the point is that if you stretch it too far then less people will come. I guess it really depends just how good a raid leader you think others think you are; and so, how many people think it's worth following you regardless of the pre-claim.

Well, are you worth it ?

 

[loxleyhood]

I've been thinking.......

Anchor dropped on 7th raid.........
2 raids ago.........

So, according to the laws of probability I won't claim anything for another 5 raids

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I've been thinking.......

Anchor dropped on 7th raid.........
2 raids ago.........

So, according to the laws of probability I won't claim anything for another 5 raids

what kind of statistics have you been studying?

 

[loxleyhood]

Not so much studying as playing DAoC when I should be doing maths homework

 

[Hit ^_^]

i say boycott whit leaders claming stuff (exept respec stones if they are gimped) there a quite allot of good raid "leaders" willing to plain raids whitout claming drops.

 

[old.shotgunstow]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
A leader claiming a drop is fair, as organising and leading takes ages, lots of effott and a great sacrifice of lots of things.

All you lot do is show up on the day and whine at the end

Bullshit organising and leading takes ages. I organised a Sidi raid on the day and it was a great success. All you need to do is message a few GMs and get them to bring a fg or two, a week in advance preferably. Then remind everyone on the day. Honestly claiming specific drops is unreasonable, apart from the respec stones as they _always_ drop and there are plenty of them.

 

[old.shotgunstow]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Rules on this imho will always be...

1) You can't pre-claim a damn thing unless you state that you are doing so clearly in the invite.

2) If you pre-claim anything I would normally lotto for then it's highly unlikely that I will be coming (with the exception of respec stones since there are 25 of them), and will consider anyone who drops out when they discover you are pre-claiming to be taking an entirely reasonable view.

3) I might look on things a little more favourably if you were splitting items by guild, since at least then I'd know my guild was getting an equal share of good items, even if my own chances were restricted by pre-claimage.

/shrug

Note that this falls within the generalised raid lotto golden rules...

1) Raid leader makes the rules.

2) If you don't like them, don't go, and if you really want - make your own damn raid.

So, of course you are *allowed* to pre-claim, the point is that if you stretch it too far then less people will come. I guess it really depends just how good a raid leader you think others think you are; and so, how many people think it's worth following you regardless of the pre-claim.

Well, are you worth it ?

I agree entirely.

The point of this thread was to say: PLEASE STOP PRE-CLAIMING SPECIFIC DROPS ON THE SLIM CHANCE THAT THEY WILL DROP.

I have led at least five different prince raids trying to get the crappy ring that is in my SC template...and not once did I say the ring had to be mine because I organised and led the raid. But it is up to you I just think it is selfish to pre-claim as the raid is for the benefit of everyone not just the leader.

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by **Aligro**
1

:chortle:

 

[Bleri McThrust]

if the raid is advertised as, such and such will preclaim xx item then so be it.

TBH I wouldnt want to spend the time and effort required to run a full Sidi raid. What people should remember is that whilst group members can go afk a lot of the time in these raids, the leaders need to be there and focused.

Untill now there has never been such a long raid. Legion, Dragon or whatever has always been a meet at x time zerg down kill and return. Sidi isnt the same.

If I dont like the raid rules I wont join and the same goes for everybody else I presume.

But to get someone regularly organising a full raid surely that person needs something to keep them focused and going week in and week out. And while they keep trying for there preclaimed items, others win in the lottos. If enough people decide that they dont like it then the raids will wither and die. Personally I hope they continue, and that these guys dont get there items dropped (nothing personall there but theres a few things Id like from Sidi and obviously the more raids there are the more chance I have).

Will be nice to see others organise them to of course and Lox and Alligro dont have the Sidi monopoly.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Well I think preclaiming is a reward for taking the initiative - something vew players in this game regularly and competently do.

As far as dragon raids go, I think preclaiming one of the stones is perfectly fair - there are 25 of each so it's not as if others aren't available for people to lotto for. Hell, I want VP on WF so I'm gonna be trying to get hold of an RA stone next Specific weapons or items might be a bit much though.

 

[**Aligro**]

even if it does drop this raid.. i will still do the raid until as long as i play

 

[Tigerius]

I hear ASq got some for sale WF, can Aligro confirm? Ra stones that is.

 

[bracken_woodman]

If you don't like the rules then organise your own raid Personally I can't see the problem with raid organisers occasionally pre-claiming a drop. Likewise, if people start to get greedy then other folks simply won't turn up to help. Simple as that really

 

[K0nah]

if u dont agree with it u dont join the raid do u?

or organize your own.

i remember a legion raid where the rumour was the leader wanted the EBoP if it dropped, since that was the only reason i was going on the raid (and prolly alot of others) i didnt go. got better things to do than spend 2hrs on a raid when i got no chance of getting the drop i want. in the end the raid failed iirc

 

[Ekydus]

I have to agree that Caer Sidi has got a completely different attitude toward drops, it is unlike other hunts.

Honestly, if I make a raid anywhere I would firstly organise the raid for a specific drop. (Not a very rare one, because you need numbers to come... Although i'd make it known that I want such and such item. )
It definately makes sense that if you don't like the rules don't join the raid, the leader is within their rights to claim atleast one drop for their time and effort in most cases, especially in Sidi.

Aligro, no, you have been perfectly fine when it comes to hunts, everyone knows you do the Caer Sidi raids for fun anyway. If people are getting annoyed with Aligro organising them all the time, all I can say is; Organise one yourself. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to lead a Caer Sidi raid. Better to have someone with experience...
Although if you wanted to start a Caer Sidi raid i'm sure just as many people would turn up for you as they do on Aligro's hunts.

In the end drop pre-claiming can only be justified by the number of drops and the length of the raid.

 

[Molten Lava]

Its bad

Its bad to claim the uber slasher-drop from Sidi (or any drop, except a respec stone as they drop in 25's), knowing that there's about 40-50 people on the raid who want it. Nice of you to 'claim' it even before the raid started so I had time to leave Sidi and go back to some usefull things

 

[jilson]

Didn't i hear this WHINE before?

 

[Flimgoblin]

can't organise a hunt in Sidi - the place is always bloody full

 

[dakeyras]

The more hunts the merrier. I'll be going on as many as possible cause I'll never be able to pharm the cash for 2 MP chain suits.

One thing I must say is I am starting to doubt the 8-10 hr respawn theory.

On our SS alliance raid on Sunday I was killed by a mob by the Spectrel P, although we had cleared this area around 4 hours earlier.

 

[greenfingers]

Originally posted by old.shotgunstow
Can I just ask everyone who is organising any raids to stop pre-claiming drops. Dragon raids I agree with pre-claiming a respec stone as most of you are gimped to hell and it may help the realm if you respec. I agree with this primarily because there are 25 of each stone and enough to give plenty of people one, and eventually the entire realm one each (or two each in Ptora's case ).

So the basic point of this post is to say claiming anything other than a respec stone from a raid just because you organised it is unreasonable, imo.

I couldn't agree more ... if I were to arrange a Raid, I wouldn't pre-claim a respec stone, I wouldn't even lotto for it in grp...

I know that peeps are deperate to get their hands on these stones, but no need to arrange Raids for that!!!

 

[Belomar]

Regarding the 8-10 hour respawn, the information I've been able to get is that the respawn is indeed approximately 8 hours. However, just like the Corpse Summoner, the respawn cycle has nothing to do with when the first kill was made (i.e., in the case of a CS, when the keep was taken), but it is independent of this. So if you were unlucky, you could just clear the first floor of mobs only to have them respawn just when you pulled the first boss and have them all aggro you. I think this happened to Alb/Prydwen recently.