Dragon 400- Hibernia 0

[old.Reno]

I would like to thank all that came to the dragon raid for their presence and their patience.
Special thanks go to Aeiedel, Infernos, Kemuri and Own for managing the chat groups, you guys did all the hard work.
Unfortunately the dragon felt like Ae'ing today so we never really stood a chance. With a bit friendlier dragon I'm sure we would have killed them.
As it is I can only thank you all for a good try and I hope to see you sometime at a retry when he's a bit friendlier( not to mention a bit less buggy).

Danita

 

[censi]

how many hibs were there and how low did u get the dragon m8Y?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

for danita

 

[Radghast]

Originally posted by censi
how many hibs were there and how low did u get the dragon m8Y?

bout 160ish and only 95%

we got our asses kicked royally. but according to the plan we did nothing wrong...damn buggy gekko..

 

[Sleet]

Originally posted by Radghast
bout 160ish and only 95%

we got our asses kicked royally. but according to the plan we did nothing wrong...damn buggy gekko..

Thats ashame :/

Nothing worse than putting work into something, working well as a team and the end result isnt just losing, its losing horribly.

 

[old.Reno]

In the first attempt we got him to 95%, the second got maybe to 98%.
I think we also managed to set a new record for ae's per minute.
Tyka set a new record by surviving about 7 AE's, should have a new record for minus damage as well. Something like 0 ( -3245).
The dragon displayed some very strange and highly aggressive behaviour this afternoon, not much we could do about it really.
Still worthy of a grats to all that came.

Danita

 

[Radghast]

problem with this type of raid is that we are 99% ignorant of what we are up against, as this thing has been killed so few times ppl don't really know all the details and wont until we have tried several times and learned from our mistakes in tactics. unfortunately when it takes 150+ ppl to have a realistic chance it is very diffcult if not impoosible to prepare for it. best u can do is read up on all the material on the subject and make a educated guess on what to do.
Danita did very well in organizing this and its not her fault that we failed, the plan was sound and the execution was also good. It just didnt work this time, whether that indicates that this startergy does not work or just that the drag is bugged atm is unclear. From what i have read on succesful hib drag raids they contradict each other most of the time, some say 1 thing is guaranteed to kill u, other say the same thing is the way to win etc. i guess we need to take a diffrent approach next time and see how that works.

I hope we keep trying to take it down, we certainly have the manpower required, just think we need a little luck...grats again danita, nice try.

 

[censi]

ive tried pointing this out to mythic many many times... they wont acknowledge the hib dragon is stronger(or requires much greater tactics) than the other realms dragon.

if you ever get the chance to, watch a dragon raid on mid or alb you will realise what a joke it is... you dont need tactics you just zerg with around 120 people and it drops...

theres a few US servers where they managed to kill it a lot... using arrow tactics but on the hole the mid and alb dragons have been killed on 99% of the servers whereas the hib dragon has been killed on about 20% of the servers.

sadly mythic wont make it easier.

 

[Aussie-]

excal hibs are noob slayers

 

[Sleet]

Originally posted by Aussie-
excal hibs are noob slayers

that pink smilly looks like someone trying to squeze a big wet fart out.


whats it meant to mean anyway? never got that one

 

[Aussie-]

Originally posted by censi

theres a few US servers where they managed to kill it a lot... using arrow tactics but on the hole the mid and alb dragons have been killed on 99% of the servers whereas the hib dragon has been killed on about 20% of the servers.

check 'Realm of Hibernia' , on almost every page you see a 'we killed dragon on <X> server ' thread.
btw your dragon is as easy as other realms.
this thread proofs it.

check topic name & first reply.

 

[Radghast]

censi the fact that it has been killed means that mythic wont make it weaker as it obviosuly is possible. So that means its up 2 us to find a way to kill it. personally im more than willing to keep trying, but i dont think many feel the same way as it means giving up alot of time for very little reward (160 ppl 15ish drops)

im sure when we get respec stones the entire realm will be in sheeroe every night desperatley trying to kill the fooker but until then i guess we can just hope.

 

[Radghast]

Originally posted by Aussie-
check 'Realm of Hibernia' , on almost every page you see a 'we killed dragon on <X> server ' thread.
btw your dragon is as easy as other realms.
this thread proofs it.

check topic name & first reply.

and if that was the situation with the drag today it would have died. infact in total (inc sacrifical lambs) the drag AE'ed about a dozen times. each one killing about 30-40 peeps.

besides from the "too easy now" line it would appear that mythic have nerfed it a bit.

 

[kemuri]

Hi all.. finnaly managed to get this forum account going...

As mentioned in previous post, we should do this again. This is the only way to train the Hibs on Excalibur. Whatever tactics you use, whatever the amount of hibs you have, it's the experience that counts in the end.

For me it was the first time I saw the dragon. I took the Add Control leading part on me and 7 groups! I just loved it!
Ok, I was confused with the NE NW SW stuff at then entrance but after 5 attempts all groups knew where to stand

That said: I would love to lead the next Add Control Group!

 

[Ravenbourne]

And what a fine job you did too Kem
I would also like to congratulate Danita, it cant be hard to organise 160 peeps, well done all i hope we have another try soon, i need a respec stone (gimped blades hero destined to PvE for eternity)

 

[katt!]

exactly as all albs worldwide are noobz and unskilled, all hibs worldwide just suck cock at killing dragons.

k?

 

[Tyka]

There was a bug on one of the us servers when the dragon would just hoover above of his lair and nuke _anyone_ who just get close to to his lair (2300 range). This is the same problem we have on excalibur, its bugged.

 

[old.Reno]

Ok time for a bit of an analysis.
First the situation as it should be.
At the southwest, northwest and northeast entrances to the lair you position 2 or 3 add control groups.
Once the fight is on the rezzer groups sapce out among the walls of the lair, keeping as far from the dragon as possible.
The dragon fight groups charge in from south west and esat entrances once the signal is given.
Have 1 disbanded ranger pull teh dragon from maximum range while the dragon is napping on his stone. This ranger keeps on pulling till the dragon is pulled quite for the stone and doesn't ae on every pull. Then after the dragon is pulled far from his stone, the fight groups charge in one after the other and proceed to aggro him, allowing the other groups to move into the lair.
After much fighting, lots of rezzing, not much AE'ing and good add control, the dragon should die.

Here is what happened:
When we arrived at the lair the dragon was hovering above his stone.
The lone ranger ( Tdaer) volunteered to pull him. Everytime he tried to pull the dragon he couldn't get to his maximum bow range before he was nuked. He tried and died about 5 times, I think without getting off a single shot.
Then the dragon decides it's time for a little flying tour.
He takes off, flies to the main zerg without aggroing anyone.
The dragon doesn't go far the lair, I think he didn't even leave the broadcast range of the lair. At this point I decided after some input to wait for the dragon to return to the lair. So everyone took their positions, add control art entrances, rezzers on the sideline and dragon fight and ranger groups on or near the stone.
Next thing we know the dragon aggroes the northwestern ADD controls group. He AE's them and lands there outside the lair.
All the fight groups rush to him to get in melee range. I had the impression the dragon the dragon meleed quite a bit but also ae'd about once every 5-10 seconds.
This fight lasted not much more than 1 or 2 minutes, after which about 10 rezzers and a few lucky ppl were left, and about 140 hibs were dead. The dragon had however aggroed himself halfway back to the stone.
During the rezzing process the dragon remained very hostile, nuking ppl that lag ghosted into the lair, or nuking ppl that set just one foot inside the lair.
After all the rezzing was done, we redeployed the troops and deciceded to try another pulling method.
Tyka's group had noticed that some of their group received no AE
damage because of their very high resists ( yeeh for BAOD).
So he suggested going in with his group, getting to the dragon without any hinderance from the AE and try to get the dragon to leave his AE mode and start meleeing.
This seemed like a good idea to me, as I think the dragon had resumed hovering and trying the ranger pull technique wouldn't work then.
So Vgn went back in got to the dragon, the rest charged in when they reached the dragon and we hoped for the best.
However the dragon kept on AE ing about once every 5 seconds, which resulted in another massacre.
As many released after this failure, I decided that another round of rezzing and attacks would be futile, The sign raid over was given. Leaving the surviving ADd control and rez grouping to do as they wished.
I don't know if the dragon has resumed hovering or is now sitting on his stone. Should he be hovering another attempt this patch might be futile.
This is my recollection of the raid, if you have things to add or errors in my retelling to point out, please do so here.
Any information to help crack the dragon puzzle is appreciated.

Danita

 

[Khalen]

You can't pull dragon... best way how I did it to get in melee range without nuking is to find a good side. At one time we had dragon a bit down on the stone on S side so I ran from N side and it didn't see me until I was in melee range so then I ordered people to rush in fast (and so they did). No one got nuked that way when we approached dragon.

All classes who can ress ress.

All classes who can nuke nuke (spread out a lot)

All tanks need to spread under the wings. Try using only crafted weapons (seemed to help)

But then again we had some patches where alb dragon was too nukie... so maybe hib has one now also that he's just too hard. Dragon ain't something like Legion.. he's a lot harder to kill

 

[<Harle>]

I was alive in EZ after the 2nd attempt and had to log there. When i relogged to my char there earlier today the dragon was hovering above his stone again. I sprinted inside the lair and he nuked me for some lovely 3k+ dmg as soon as i got into range, so no change in his behaviour and it seems that any more attempts are doomed to fail with his current AI.