Dont Kill The Casters!

[Ottar]

Now and then you will come across some misguided individual telling you that in RvR encounters it makes sense to go for robed casters first. Dont listen to them! It makes sense, yes. Theoretically. But it doesn’t work.

The reason is you’ll be the only one charging at the casters. The rest of your tanks will remain standing and merrily hack away at incoming mooses or armsmen. You’ll be lucky to reach your carefully targeted avalonian and get him to half hp. Then 3 more casters will lock on you and you be dead in 2 seconds. So its not a smart thing to do.

Now, the rest of them, trying to outtank the opposition will be soon dead too under the nuke barrage. So staying behind doesn’t work either? What does?

Until today, the smart thing to do was to log off yer main and level your alts. Now they say that soon it will be so that people having lvl 50 chars can get their new alts automatically to lvl 20. Making new alts doesnt make sense now.

I am at loss. Can someone reccommend anything?

Ottar

 

[ignore]

Could always try to make a real class,...wait u gotta go Albion for that

 

[SilverHood]

yeah, happens a lot.... all the tanks get mezzed, and casters start nuking... I charge the caster, and i get trashed by the few tanks that stay behind...... i look behind me I see the hammers, ooooh, the luvely blue hammers

/effects off

We should be allowed to have a BG for lvl 50 peeps where we can practice against each other wihtout earning rps

 

[Ottar]

> Could always try to make a real class,...

> *Sanosuke lvl 21 Paladin*

? You gotta be kidding

> wait u gotta go Albion for that

Nope. Actually, for that you go to hib. Altho clerics and infs are best of their kinds, no argument there.

Ottar

 

[ImLestat]

Yep, been there done that. I tried going for the casters a day or two. If I was VERY lucky I got one caster before dying. Usually I got one hit off then I was dead. I've stopped going for casters since then.

 

[Ottar]

> I've stopped going for casters since then.

Which lets them nuke and mez away freely at your forces.What to do?

How about declaring a realmwide ”No Autotarget Day”? All tanks bind their target nearest enemy to something that requires minimum 3 hands to press and forces them to handpick their targets with mouse.

Ottar

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Going for the casters Works great if you have enough doing the tactic.

you can take 2 out of AE nukeing or single nuking.. One mezz one getting hid brains bashed out..

But yes atleast 6/10 I end up chewing grass

Somethings if you wait till the mages have locked a target and started nuking him then you live longer once you charge..

but you are taking mages out of the main foray and most times your side will win the melee slog (prehaps because of your efforts) and once the Melee guard of a force is gone the mages turn tail and run

 

[ImLestat]

Well, I am still targeting casters with my lightning (except for Mjolnir, which I avoid using in case of mezzing healers), but I don't run in and fight them hand to hand any more.

 

[old.Jadow]

This is not a Midgard phenoma solely. Everytime we fight hibs I shout "Go for the bards" only to sigh as I watch 10 tanks all charging a giant moose.

It -always- happens to us too, take solace in the fact that morons exist in all realms and stick to guild groups who have a clue.

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake
"The People's Gimp"

 

[Solid]

Ottar Midgard os predominantly made of of braindead monkees who dont think before they press F8, F6, Stick macro.

Targettign casters first IS the correct way to win battles, ESPECIALLY as a middie. You are right tho, you will be the only one that chases casters, I done it myself a lot, /y KILL CASTERS FIRST, charge begins, lil ole me targets and chases down a Chanter, all the otehr goons attack the heros and champs, Solid gets stunned and nuked by 5 diff casters, Solid dies early, Solid is a tad pissed off.

MIDDIES PLEASE START GETTIN A KILL ORDER, TANKS ARE YOUR LAST TARGET FFS.

 

[krill-nyd]

I agree with all this but one of the problems doing it is just chaos, especially lagging/frame-rate chaos. Sometimes f8, f6, stick is all I can do. At least I'm hitting something ... But that's only in big standoffs, I don't know why we can't do it when its more like 20v20.

 

[svartalf]

What you need is to get one or two SB to take out the casters as you engage them there clerics. Then take tanks when there's nobody to heal 'em. I think.

 

[old.Bubble]

Hi Ottar
it was fun RvRing with you
i Dinged RR3 with your death

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

As a realm we are pretty well equipped to take casters out of the equation if we can sort out some basic tactics, and make people aware of a couple of spells:

1. Runemaster NearSight
2. Healer AE Amnesia

Both of these have a range of 2300. Nearsight will clobber the range of any casters/archers. Amnesia has a recast time of 2.0 and will interrupt any caster/archer.

Stick a runie and healer at the back of the battle, firing of these beauties and you can pick up a real advantage. One that can let the tanks get to the casters and let the mezzers deal with the enemy tanks. Wooohaaahaaahaaa!

Ah, if I was only as good at the practice as the theory <Trine panics and AE stuns the nearest target to hand> :\.

 

[Nonnier]

I have found in my great experence as RvR's greatest thane is that the best way to deal with casters is too AoE em just like u would a tank

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Solid
Ottar Midgard os predominantly made of of braindead monkees who dont think before they press F8, F6, Stick macro.

Correction Solid, DAoC is predominantly made of of braindead monkees who dont think before they press F8, F6, Stick macro.

 

[Solid]

very good poitn Dan

 

[Psy|:m00:]

Originally posted by reinnon
I have found in my great experence as RvR's greatest thane is that the best way to deal with casters is too AoE em just like u would a tank

You're my favourite Thane already

 

[old.Bubble]

i wub u thanes

 

[stu]

Originally posted by reinnon
I have found in my great experence as RvR's greatest thane is that the best way to deal with casters is too AoE em just like u would a tank

oh god not another one

 

[Solid]

All I can say is Poor Misguided Soul

 

[old.Khain]

Solid Tu have taken to making are own RvR my pulling the Alb out to play. maybe HH should join us sometime. We go for casters first

 

[old.Emma]

the problem currently is no one use`s common bloody sense, tipickle rvr battle, tanks at front, casters/achers at back healers inbetween.. tanks stand ground dont move a muscle until the ranged attacks are gone, stealthers, move around enemy group and take out casters.. tanks/healer turn around to see wtf is happening. our tanks charge there tanks, while our casters take out there healers.. simple really. once the casters are gone its down to pure melee. casters are the biggest danger to people without ranged attacks. 3 casters nuke you for 1500hp thats most people dead, take out the casters and whats left to do serious dmg ?

and another thing nearsight is the most usefull spell in rvr, if you cut down a casters range by 65% they might as well lie down on the floor and play dead, cos your already hitting em, works with archers and healers too.

 

[Solid]

Nearsight works with bloody thaens too, NERF NEARSIGHT

 

[old.Emma]

hehe i dont mind albs/hibs using nearsight on you thanes might actually help the mezz`s stick

 

[Psy|:m00:]

Ever seen anyone Nearsight a Friar? We have, we die easily if someone does that because we're so busy rolling around laughing that some prat nearsighted a friar

 

[lakih]

I agree with Solid.
Nerf nearsight! its works on Champs too = i cant random dd ppl and farm lots of rp's...

To deal with casters - have one poor healer (if you ever have more than 1 that is) sneak around to mezz the casters too, then the Thanes can cast there hammers and everyone will be happy

 

[Freia]

hmmm. "go for the casters" that sounds simple enough.

Go for the casters means a lot in the middle of a combat.

First you have to be determined and stay cool enough to stop for a while and look at the crowd through low fps and lag etc.
Then you need to make out which ones are the the casters and chose which one of those that most badly needs to be taken out to ensure the victory of your realm.

At this point people are fighting all around you and you may already be mezzed or have a caster targetting you.

Then you have to avoid the reflexes to defend yourselfe against ppl hitting you and try not to help buddies in your group that may be taking damage and stay focused on your target. (who at this point may already be shooting his evul fireballs at you).

It all takes a lot of practice and experience and i think one cant just tell ppl to "go for the casters", you have to tell them how to do it and then you have to make sure that everybody works together to make it happen cause nobody wants to risk his life if he isnt backed up by his group.

So to sum it up i think this stuff should be told to your group before you leave the pk and not be discussed here on the bw forums.