Direct 3D problems take 2

[raw]

I posted here a few weeks ago about a problem with my pc bombing out or reseting with games based on direct3d such as gta3, freelancer etc

Someone suggested onboard sound as an issue, i tried a few direct3d games with it disabled, and it appeared to work, joy i thought so i went out and bought a SB Live 5.1 card to try it out.

No joy however! as its still doing it! I can't play freelancer and its quite annoying

Any further ideas? Come pay day the end of May i am pretty much going to start over again its pissing me off that much.

 

[Testin da Cable]

um, speaking of sound you don't happen to have EAX positional audio enabled do you?

 

[raw]

Dunno its all set at default, i'll see if i can find it.

 

[Testin da Cable]

bacause if you do then turn it off pronto

 

[raw]

I dont know what it is im looking for tdc, i found the EAX control pannel but nothing to suggest its enabled

Fancy pointing me in the right direction ?

Fluffles if u do!

 

[Testin da Cable]

um...look in your games audio control setup thing and see if there's a checkbox or something lables EAX on/off and make sure it's off. I had much the same problem as you with unreal2 and some other games. turn off EAX and all is peachy

 

[raw]

I shall have a look when i get home, its slow as bugger doing it via radmin from work

Any idea if Freelancer has it enabled by default? (anxious wait) I REALLY WANT TO PLAY IT ONLINE FFS

Honestly, i've got till the end of the month to fix it otherwise i am buying a Pentium 4 based PC and this AMD shite can fo

 

[Will]

You could try turning down the level of sound acceleration, or various other settings, in dxdiag.

 

[raw]

Tried that already, did naff all

 

[raw]

Well i tried Freelancer, couldnt find anything to do with EAX audio but did noticed 3d surround sound so tried disabling that, no joy.

I did lower the sound acceleration in dxdiag also but it still bombs out

 

[Jonty]

Hello

There are a great many known sound issues with Freelancer discussed in this knowledge base article. You may wish to try some of things it recommends.

Kind Regards

 

[raw]

For the first time tonight i got an error (well a BSOD) while playing it.

page_fault_in_nonpaged_area

I got that plus loads of random shit, any ideas?

I'm gonna have a look through m$ website see if i can find anything.

 

[kameleon]

Thats a memory error

 

[raw]

Originally posted by kameleon
Thats a memory error

Yeah,

im guessing its my vid card memory? i can play games like q3 all day long without error

 

[Testin da Cable]

how are you memory wise? lots? what's your pagefile like? is it fixed-size or do you have windows regulate it?

 

[raw]

I currently have 512mb ddr 2100 i think and my page file is set to 768-1536 (i never set it at that).

 

[Embattle]

I used to get that error and found one of my Hard drives had a problem.

 

[kameleon]

looked for you this is what i found

As usual, microsoft are a bit vague with their diagnosis.

I tried to follow the other link on that page and found .this


The reason I asked if you had enabled onboard sound last time, was because i had the same trouble with a soundblaster live while playing delta force 2 and blackhawk down. I changed the memory from 2 x 256 meg sticks to 1 512 meg stick and upgraded the board (for freee, thanks europa) to the k75sa with onboard lan which cured the problem

 

[raw]

Yeah i found similar links when checking, thanks though.

I checked elites website but didn't really find much in the way of help, im running out of patience with it now

Guess i'll start testing hardware over the weekend.

 

[Testin da Cable]

firmware/bios upgrade perhaps. sorry mate, I'm grasping at straws now

 

[raw]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
firmware/bios upgrade perhaps. sorry mate, I'm grasping at straws now

Your not the only one thanks for the help though.

I should have a spare few hours tonight so i will try then.

What gets me though and still has some doubt in my mind, is why i can play games like quake 3 without any problems?

 

[Jonty]

Originally posted by raw
What gets me though and still has some doubt in my mind, is why i can play games like quake 3 without any problems?

Q3A primarily utilises OpenGL to render its scenes, and hence does not rely on Direct3D in any way. It doesn't help you, I know, but it does explain why some games, like Q3A, can run fine whilst other games, utilising Direct3D, consistently fail.

Kind Regards

 

[raw]

So it could still be a hardware issue?

 

[Jonty]

Originally posted by raw
So it could still be a hardware issue?

It could be pretty much anything judging by all these replies! Seriously, though, my guess would be that it's something on the software side, be it drivers, BIOS or something of that nature.

If something was physically wrong with the hardware itself, then it would be unlikely you could even play games (say something were physically wrong with your graphics card; it probably wouldn't make a difference whether the game utilised OpenGL or Direct3D, neither would work; software issues, however, can mean your hardware is fine but that something specific goes wrong, in this case Direct3D games).

I know this doesn't help, but I'll keep thinking about what it can be

Kind Regards

 

[Jonty]

Having just checked Microsoft's site, it seems the 'page_fault_in_nonpaged_area' fault is known.

Microsoft
Defective memory (including main memory, L2 RAM cache, video RAM) or incompatible software (including remote control and antivirus software) might cause [this error]

Apparently, although there seem to be a variety of solutions suggested across other sites reporting this error, restarting your computer in Safe Mode, removing the display adapter from the control panel, uninstalling all associated drivers, and restarting normally, updating your drivers when prompted, may help fix the problem. Whether this will work, however, I'm not sure, as it doesn't seem to be addressing the cause of the problems, but I suppose it's worth a try.

Kind Regards

 

[bids]

As a suggestion, why not try removing your video/sound drivers and DirectX, and then starting from a known stable base (DirectX8.1 and WHQL Detonators/sound for e.g.).

You can de-install DirectX using:

http://www.freewebs.com/firecat/

I've used a previous version of this to remove a beta DirectX release, and it worked fine.

Might also be worth using something like this to make sure you don't have Detonator remnants on your setup:

http://www.guru3d.com/detonator-destroyer/

Worth a try ?

 

[raw]

Cheers i'll give it ago.