Debacle of the Fins group

[Goramian]

Ok I have come over the past few weeks/months to make some observations about the fins group.
As I understand it tanks are meant to be 44+ as are Wardens. You really need a lvl 45+ pboer but can get away with 2 42+. Then you are supposed to have a ranger/ns 45+ and Druid and bards can be 40 49.
However these rules are ok to a point. However as a lvl 48 druid and since I hit lvl 46 really I have come across a HUGE problem. The healing slots in the group are nearly always taken up by sub 45+ healers. Now this is fine if there are no other healesr around, but you often find these low lvl people in instead of 45+ healers. This means that they have to try and get a ggroup together for other fins spots which isnt easy as most people are on the main fins list and everytime you get near completing a group one gets called away.
I am not saying that lvl 40-45 bards and druids should not go to fins, it is just imo that they should give way to 45+ druids/bards. The 40-45's can lvl at innis for often better xp, while 46+ get pretty bad xp at innis unless they do knights and getting a group for there is as hard as getting second fins group going.
Because lvl 40-45 healers know they can get into fins group they imediatly go there. Thus us 45+ can hardly ever get in the group.
I feel that a change in the rules should be made so that after a certain ammount of time healers lvl 40-45 should give way to higher ones, as there are more places for the 40-44's to lvl.

These are just my feelings and I will probably get ripped to pieces but that is how I feel as for another day that I have that I am able to actually play DAOC a low lvl druid is gonna be at the fins all day!!!

 

[Pempulla]

I don't see any reason to do as you suggested. The reason any classes have level restrictions (if there are some) is and should be based only on the usefulness of their char there. Any healing class, e.g. bard, druid, ment, is useful probably already before level 40 too, I see no reason why they shouldnt get on the list. A level 47 druid doesn't have to be any more useful than a lvl41 druid at fins (can be worse actually, depending on spec), so, why should a lvl47 have an advantage over lvl41?

Healing/support classes in general always have the advantage of getting great xp with a group that is higher level than they are (as they are useful also at lower levels), so, I don't think you should really have any complaints. Once you hit 50, it will all be over anyway , you really don't need any 'added push', you WILL get it in the end.

 

[yog-hurt]

im so glad trees aint that good.

 

[Faeldawn]

Fins list posts, when will they end

No one likes the list, but all those 40-45 healers you talk about will someday be lvl 48 and have the same issues as you have now.

I admit that i have seen a bard sit in the fins group from lvl 42-50, and therefore no other bards get a chance, this is a little greedy i guess, but whatcha gonna do?

Personally, i have an alt who's a crafter, and another who's BG1 lvl, so i play those while my warden is logged @ fin hill. If you dont like waiting on the fins list, get a group up to do Summoners Hall in Marfach, DF group, RVR while you wait, Knights, Siab City, Banshees, do a little soloing, read a book, fly a kite, reach out and touch someone you love. After all, its only a game

 

[yog-hurt]

schoking

 

[old.Tdaer]

imho ... fins groups are overrated

44+ tanks
44+ rogue
40+mana ment
40+ bards
40+ druid
44+ warden
44+ mana chanter


you dont need anything higher to xp there...

basically, anything better is just tweaking the group...

these are the minimum inho to getr a working fins group.

If you have the time or effor to put 2 fg together .. imho go do Ez with knights .. you make twice as much xp and half the time.

fins are just .. easy access ..


elf out

 

[yog-hurt]

ELf is always right.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by old.Tdaer
imho ... fins groups are overrated

44+ tanks
44+ rogue
40+mana ment
40+ bards
40+ druid
44+ warden
44+ mana chanter

Just to add to this, I've been as a warden lvl 41, high regrowth spec puts lvl 45 bards to shame and usually shocks people lol
33+5 regrowth simply rocks, my best heal is 2nd to a lvl 50 druids 35 spec regrowth heals, so a good healing warden is a fantastically versatile part of the grp, can taunt well even with a sucky weapon spec.

Found fins easier with my BM at 43 than warshades, guess cos they do slash dmg but I seemed to get hit less often too.

It does vary, seen minimum grps do extremly well and high lvl grps get slaughtered, as for minimum lvls stopping high lvls getting into fins that's just silly, first come first served in functionality, personally I've avoided fins for a couple of lvls now and although I've only lvld once in a month (been doing alchemy) there are pleny other places to xp where the fins minimum just ain't good enough

Marfach caverns is an excellent place to xp, 3 of us were earning more xp than off fins with orange to purple mobs, ok lower spawn rate but MC is more fun too

 

[Chameleon]

imho Bards and Druids are able to cope from level 40 onwards on fins. Wardens should only be 45, like the tanks, as they are the 4th tank for when 4 come. I played there with many <45 wardens and they seemed to lose aggro about 75% of the time. I guess these will vary from spec to spec though.
Having said that, I don't think ANYONE should go to fins before level 45. I did 40-45 in innis and the xp was WAY better than fins (went to fins once at 43 and it wasnt great xp).
There is only one reason that people have so much trouble xp'ing after 40 ...... and that's because of the ones who want an easy ride by jumping straight from CM to Fins. Innis is usually empty these days, but I bet there's 20 or more sitting on the fins list who could be at bw's/banshee/shades/etc.
Most seem to think that the fins are a saving grace for those struggling from 40-50 ...... but imho fins is the CAUSE of this struggle! If EVERYONE went to innis for levels 40-45, there would be no difficulty in getting to 45 and if more 45+ went there too for shades/knights groups instead of sitting on a fins list getting no xp, we'd all get to 50 quicker, the fins list would not be such a pain in the arse and there'd be a lot less bored, frustrated people wanting to xp.
I do get annoyed when i see <45 characters in CF when I remember the trouble I had trying to make innis groups every week when the place was practically empty.

 

[Takhasis]

Sounds exactly like Malmohus in Midgard...

Lists = :wall:

 

[Armolas]

Originally posted by yog-hurt
im so glad trees aint that good.

Neither are fins really.

DF/EZ/SC are all better.

 

[Goramian]

Thats my whole point really fins list fucks up everything

 

[drummer]

If you are on a fin list like 9th why don't you ask the list keeper for some names and start xping by yourself , better then playing some lamo alt.

 

[Moodyard^_^]

Originally posted by Pempulla

Healing/support classes in general always have the advantage of getting great xp with a group that is higher level than they are (as they are useful also at lower levels), so, I don't think you should really have any complaints.

Thats why if all bards/wardens/druids would camp innis they would make a post like this because the 35> healers would camp innis spots

 

[yog-hurt]

sounds just like....



ohh shit no... all alb exp is crap.


afaik

 

[squeakyfrog]

Sometimes my warden got invited to fin group at low 40s even when I was not on the list. Most of the time, it happened in the early morning hours or very late night. The group sometimes dies at these funny hours, because everyone goes to sleep and cant find replacements. (Quite few times, we couldn't find a drood believe or not)

I can understand there is a reason to be a certain lvl to join the list (holding aggro etc) but can't really agree with your reason for limiting healer's lvl. There are lots of ppl actually get up at really really early hours or stay up late in order to get a spot in fin group. They really can stay as long as they want as why should they give up the spot for the players who log on whenever they feel like after enough sleep? hehe, can't have a life and being in fins group at the same time

Besides, there is somewhere else to xp for high 40s, just the matter if you can be bothered to form a group to these xp spots or not.

 

[Arrows]

fins list .... makes me sick

does it not seem to be the biggest joke in the world to anyone else ..? and ive only just reached 40 so have yet to try to get on it

 

[Moodyard^_^]

Originally posted by squeakyfrog
Sometimes my warden got invited to fin group at low 40s even when I was not on the list. Most of the time, it happened in the early morning hours or very late night. The group sometimes dies at these funny hours, because everyone goes to sleep and cant find replacements. (Quite few times, we couldn't find a drood believe or not)

I can understand there is a reason to be a certain lvl to join the list (holding aggro etc) but can't really agree with your reason for limiting healer's lvl. There are lots of ppl actually get up at really really early hours or stay up late in order to get a spot in fin group. They really can stay as long as they want as why should they give up the spot for the players who log on whenever they feel like after enough sleep? hehe, can't have a life and being in fins group at the same time

Besides, there is somewhere else to xp for high 40s, just the matter if you can be bothered to form a group to these xp spots or not.

So true !

 

[Cloak_]

I got invited to join the fins grps more often that I went on teh list