DAoC and WoW

[AngelHeal]

Ofcourse DAoC (europe) will have some major player drop when WoW open beta goes live, but as in America allot of players went back to DAoC after a while.

What about catacombs, can it be DAoC's rescue vs WoW?
Or isn't a "rescue" needed at all?

How you guys think it will go here in Europe??

*please stay reasonable, and don't "post whore" arround <thnx in advance*

 

[Aussie]

pve expansion the rescue

only if your name is killrake or svartmetal .

 

[AngelHeal]

pve expansion the rescue

only if your name is killrake or svartmetal .

......right.

 

[Dangart]

pve expansion the rescue

only if your name is killrake or svartmetal .

Hehehe, so true

 

[Draylor]

What about catacombs, can it be DAoC's rescue vs WoW?

Cant see what Catacombs will achieve.

End-game will still be RvR. Nothing about Catacombs changes that too much: new classes but no new abilities or RvR useful items (at least that the beta folks have talked about)

Roll a new alt, get it to 50 in new zones: fair enough
Then go through the same old TOA grind again uke:

There seems to be very little lvl50 content in Catacombs (1 lvl50 instanced dungeon? With the only 'reward' being items with PvE bonuses? Bleh) so its not going to bring back large numbers of folks that have left long-term.

A few new classes with new abilities might be interesting in RvR for a few weeks, until things settle back into the usual FotM group setups as always.

 

[Wmv]

WoW vs Daoc threads is so zzZzZzzzz

 

[Helme]

When people can understand this is a DAoC board not WoW, i will jump of joy.

And btw, seems like some of the proccs of the items are sort of nice, no total revamps in templates just small adjustions. Saw some 20% reactive power procc on a item, a bonedancers wet dream? xD

 

[waok`whips]

Ofcourse DAoC (europe) will have some major player drop when WoW open beta goes live, but as in America allot of players went back to DAoC after a while.

What about catacombs, can it be DAoC's rescue vs WoW?
Or isn't a "rescue" needed at all?

How you guys think it will go here in Europe??

*please stay reasonable, and don't "post whore" arround <thnx in advance*

Alot of players regardless, always come back to DAoC.

I really do think people are only using WoW as an excuse to leave DAoC, but often poeple will always come back to this Server Lagged, Egotistical leet fotm selfish **** game! I really don't know why!

FFXI has had amazing graphics since the day it came out, and its playerbase is massive. Customer support is great, I connect to US servers and ping fine, the whole server is alot better, and the overall gameplay is alot better for me. I don't think how a game looks effects overal gameplay, ofcourse it effects peoples initial perceptions, but I don't think its the be all and end all of a games success. Many of the great games have been 2D, and still to this day contain tonnes more originality and depth than any of the games today.

 

[Abel]

but as in America allot of players went back to DAoC after a while.

After what while ? WoW has been out for less then 2 weeks !!!

There is a lot of player migration between the different major MMORPGs and all of those have big subscription number so the migrating numbers are big too. Hence one smartass can "prove" DAoC is losing lots of people to WoW, while the other can "demonstrate" lots of ex-DAoC return to WoW after a while both using anecdotical evidence that in both cases is correct.

Unless you come with hard numbers it's useless to make any such claims.

 

[wittor]

pve expansion the rescue

only if your name is killrake or svartmetal .

haha xD

 

[Kagato]

pve dungeons, and so far no much needed balance changes, nothing there to rescue daoc

As for WoW I think those that will leave for it already have for the beta, EQ2 might draw away more but with every new game daoc's graphics just look more and more dated.

 

[Helme]

pve dungeons, and so far no much needed balance changes, nothing there to rescue daoc

As for WoW I think those that will leave for it already have for the beta, EQ2 might draw away more but with every new game daoc's graphics just look more and more dated.

I don't think DAoC's gfx is dated tbh, it looks rather good. Clean and more realistic then other games.. also its the first game iwe seen that can handle "forests" AC2's forests was 4 tree's together , WoW's zonewalls had forest textures and a small amount of huge tree's spread around in the middle.

 

[Arnor]

pve expansion the rescue

only if your name is killrake or svartmetal .

roflol, but im afraid you forget just how unbalanced the new classes will be in rvr

 

[Ketinna]

I don't think DAoC's gfx is dated tbh, it looks rather good. Clean and more realistic then other games.. also its the first game iwe seen that can handle "forests" AC2's forests was 4 tree's together , WoW's zonewalls had forest textures and a small amount of huge tree's spread around in the middle.

to bad Daocs graphic was dated when it arrive. imo its not far from EQ1 graphic, only thing in daoc that is good work is the water.
WoW vs Daoc is like UT2004 vs QW just to look at it graphical, and if you have a open mind, you accually feel like being in a forest in WoW, in daoc you feel, or at least i do, just get these pappers trees out of my way and stop the FPS drops.

WoW which was made this year accually preforms better than classical daoc in FPS aswell, not to talk about how much better it looks...

I myself had like 30-50 FPS all the time in WoW were in daoc im down under 15-20 FPS in a normal FG vs FG fight, and now when they are gone its even worse.

 

[Lethul]

Ofcourse DAoC (europe) will have some major player drop when WoW open beta goes live, but as in America allot of players went back to DAoC after a while.

What about catacombs, can it be DAoC's rescue vs WoW?
Or isn't a "rescue" needed at all?

How you guys think it will go here in Europe??

*please stay reasonable, and don't "post whore" arround <thnx in advance*

or maybe the player drop to wow will be a good thing for daoc?

 

[Fana]

As for WoW I think those that will leave for it already have for the beta

Im not in WoW beta yet :/ Will leave when Final Beta starts (the one you got a key for when you preordered), as will several others in guild.

 

[Dreamor]

Just waiting for the release in Europe and most of the guild will be coming along, a number of guildies have moved to EQ2 already.

Like any game, it gets boring after a while and getting 'another 50' is just no fun anymore. Most PL new characters... with /level 20 the lower zones are empty. No one as a result wants to group cos they can either PL or /level 20. I would imagine this game no longer appeals to new starters unless they get into a big PvE guild... which is tough going as you 'have to be 50 l337'

With WoW/ EQ2 etc... we all start at the same levels and grouping is made easier. With a new game the chance to make a name for yourself without RP farming/ whining about something is made even easier.

I for one have never played a game like DAOC for so long, credit to Mythic (hate saying that) but they have made a good game. Shame hosting it was as easy. What with everyone being TOA'd up/ RR5+/L337 guilds/ zerging 24x7 and the ridiculous lag that has plagued our servers... just makes me sick. One thing that has made me laugh is the blatent attempt to try and keep the EU players in DAOC... I mean giving us that "Mythic and GOA want to reduce the delays of the releases between the different versions" - wrong, you been reading all the quit posts and realise that with more choice for MMORPG you gotta keep people interested... come on, its not borthered anyone for the past 2 years, has it?

Roll on WoW and a fresh start!

 

[Wabbit]

WoW which was made this year accually preforms better than classical daoc in FPS aswell, not to talk about how much better it looks...

I really doubt if anyone agrees with you tbh....sure you can prefer the comic gfx over the realistic gfx (wow over daoc/EQ2) but if you play those three games at the highest possible playable (more than 15fps) quality the order of most detailistic gfx is 1. EQ2, 2 Daoc, 3. WoW (I've played daoc for 2.5 years, played WoW beta for a month and bought a EQ2 account 2 weeks ago so I have the material to compare)

Skins in EQ2 on buildings, flora and fauna, NPC's and players is by far best on EQ2 closely followed by DaoC...WoW gfx are good in their "comic"-way but lack in variety and quality...that doesnt mean that WoW can give you the best feeling that you are actually "inside" the game...

 

[Kagato]

I don't think DAoC's gfx is dated tbh, it looks rather good. Clean and more realistic then other games.. also its the first game iwe seen that can handle "forests" AC2's forests was 4 tree's together , WoW's zonewalls had forest textures and a small amount of huge tree's spread around in the middle.

Look at Lineage 2 and you'll see proper graphics

 

[Ketinna]

sure but EQ as WoW was done this year

buttom line WoW gives you more FPS and more Eyecandy than daoc and something new.
Correct me if im wrong but isnt daoc done in the same graphic engine as EQ1, because daoc only has a little better textures and better pixels, other than that i cant really see much of a diffrent between the graphics in those games. but correct me if im wrong

 

[Radix]

Dark age of camelot has the best "faction pvp", "team pvp" or what ever term you would use to cover all versions of such.
Unfortunately for players I cant name any massive multi developer who didnt screw up the all important balance thats needed to have fun.
Even if all teams/sides are the same, developers have screwed up terrible on something way too powerfull compared to rest.

I call that the curse of the massive multi genre.
What is a game without balance?

Even if other games are inferiour on the basics of Team Vs Team there is at least hope that, the next new shiny thing wont be run by monkeys.

With Warcraft and Starcraft, Blizzard gained reputation for being masters of online balance and they looked like they actually knew how their own game worked out when in motion/action! (shock!)

Its very sad but seems like we stuck with the curse :/
Dont know WOW much but sheep spell might indicate the curse is present in it.

 

[Aada]

Your wrong WoW graphics make you feel apart of the game..

EQ2 the constant loading squashes any hope of getting any sort of feel for the game when you have zone every 2mins and the zoning makes EQ2 seems REALLY small.


WoW is huge in comparison only time you load is when you enter the game and when you enter one of the major cities thats it! apart from that you have a massive loadless world to explore.

Wanna know why WoW beats EQ2? couple of reasons for me really in EQ2 as soon as you start you have the same old tried and crappy tested kill rats and insects for 10 lvls!!!!! fun? nope.

WoW? well you can do a host of things really from killing mountain lions to Ork like creatures in the starting zone.

Quests- im sorry but EQ2 suck! plain and simple they are like SWG missions with quest slapped onto them there is hardly any freaking story in any of the quests most of it is just ''I must bring 10 or so whatever back to an npc'' is that a Quest to you? not to me its just a mission.

WoW quests? well from the very start of the game you are presented with a host of quests each with their own great story and sometimes these quests will even lead onto other quests.

Voice audio in EQ2 is horrible after a while after you have heard the same NPC spout out the bullshit they come out with for 30th time you just want to rip their heads off!

Transportation system- Considering WoW is graphicly inferior to EQ2 they do this better get on a flying creature in WoW and it swoops up into the air under bridges and it really feels like you flying! best thing about this is that they often take different paths to the same destination giving abit of difference!

EQ2? Get on a giffion and you feel like you on a train track the animation is horrible you dont feel like you flying more like on a really slow freakin train.

Emotes- Again WoW does this far superior when you emote in WoW your toon will do animations and make noises and they really are freaking funny to watch. Ever seen a troll dance? do it in WoW and it will have you in stitches

EQ2? Well you character stays silent not really doing anything that makes you want to type in an emote.

Fun factor? WoW does this better by light years its not a grind its fun hell i garuntee you wont be looking at your xp bar constantly like you do in EQ2. The quests, fights,instanced dungeons,towns.cities, character animations make for an overall freaking fun game,

EQ2? It can be fun at times the monster fights are quite nice especially fighting huge giants etc, but we all know how SOE like time sinks right? group exp debt has to be the worst idea for an MMO to date its shit its horrible and makes you want to cry lets look at a quick example..

You form a nice group.. cool! have all the right classes etc but then oh wait.. some fool in your group whos trying to get to you decides to run through an aggro field of mobs he is quite abit away from you yet he dies.. hes punished you? your punished too what could you do to help him? nothing your punished because the fool deicded to take a short cut and died. Think thats bad? wait till you have a group wipe.. not only do you have your death xp debt to work back BUT you have EVERYONE ELSES that died to work back onto your xp too someone explain to me how this is anything but fun?

I could go on about both games but if you want a real fair honest review go read Gamespots review of BOTH games

WoW- 9.5/10 and has been hailed as the greatest MMORPG/ RPG to date

EQ2- got something like 7.5-8.0

WoW just blows the compeition away in every aspect and has redifined what fun in a MMORPG is all about.

EQ2? just another MMORPG

 

[Arnor]

Look at Lineage 2 and you'll see proper graphics

perv!

 

[Kagato]

perv!

Oi, I never even mentioned the bouncing boobs !

 

[Raven]

nothing wrong with DAOC's graphics, its the game that is getting stale, the graphics are the only real thing holding me back from WoW, i have played daoc for 2+ years, i really cant see myself putting up with WoWs cartoon graphics for that long, besides the catacombs graphics look a lot more moody, i will buy it for that, not interested in + to mob smacking items and shit like that though.

Also WoW is PvP bolted onto a PvE game and DAOC is PvE bolted onto a PVP game. If mythic would stop fucking about (or even hand over control to someone who has a clue) DAOC would blow WoW away.

 

[RaiztliN]

wow crafting system is great..
the wow world is great..
but the classes and their movement .. uke:

 

[Danord_durin]

wow crafting system is great..
the wow world is great..
but the classes and their movement .. uke:

LOL

 

[Dangart]

You can't really compare WoW and EQ2, they draw ENTIRELY different crowds, its like comparing Q3 and Counterstrike t_t

 

[AngelHeal]

I ve seen the 2 movies goa made for us, about Catacombs that is, seems allot of new spell looks etc, but oh when wil they remove the stick from daoc and keep it to /follow

 

[AngelHeal]

You can't really compare WoW and EQ2, they draw ENTIRELY different crowds, its like comparing Q3 and Counterstrike t_t

i would say Tacticap Ops would win that ^^ /shrug /hug