CS Servers NEED PUNKBUSTER

[old.AmericanBadass]

Ok ive had enough of this, CS cheaters are running rampant and im SICK of it

BW ADMINS - why NOT put PB on CS servers? if it takes a day, a week, WHO CARES! people on your servers are sick and tired of cheaters, over this past month CS has been BATTERED with cheaters and to tell you the truth i'll just go and play on other servers, it doesnt matter to me.

but my question is this - what do you have to lose? NOTHING? you HAVE to put PB on servers, i know it does resolve everything but it does resolve a lot.

PLEASE, i ask you, make PunkBuster required on your CS servers!!!!!!!!


cheaters -

 

[Ono]

Lo Badass!

Long time no see.



[I AM] Ono


I think Punkbusters has knock on effects with connections or sommat doesn't it?


I am sure Ch3tan will have his 10 pounds worth on this.

 

[Embattle]

I've heard it requires a lot of server power and it also doesn't work...cheaters still play even with it on. CS will always have cheaters and theres nothing you can really do about it.

 

[old.AmericanBadass]

theres a lot going on, read my post about this in the "Barrysworld" forum

btw hey ono

 

[Moving Target]

what about make CS dissappear off the face off the earth

 

[old.White-Knight]

I've been playing on BarrysWorld servers for many CS betas, but until now, I've found no real urge to post on these forums. However, for a while now and especially in the last month, I have witnessed some of the most blatent and ridiculous cheating in the BW servers. Now, I'm not just bitching 'cos someone better than me has killed me; some of these guys admit openly that they cheat and even find it funny because I can't do anything about it.

It would seem the only way to rectify the situation would be to make the Punkbuster software required to play on the server. But no, silly me! This would be an 'invasion of privacy'!

THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS!!

I won't list the excuses that BW have given for not making Punkbuster obligatory because my two friends badass and Rorschach have already outlined them! But I would like to make my opinion clear. If you lot at Barrysworld don't think people cheat in your servers, then you're just ignorant. If you don't care because you have the backing of a big company and don't rely on or care about your regular players then that's just plain unfair! If you are worried about 'newbies' not being able to download the Punkbuster software then why not make punkbuster required on only SOME or at least one of your servers?

I hope you guys see sense and support the anti-cheating movement. Once again the ignorance and stupidity of the few that cheat, ruins it for those who don't.

- Whiteh

 

[Ch3tan]

Never used to like PB, gave me lag when I played on ole wireplay cs servers.

Its changed, I dont notice it running. I know PB has some problems, but personally I have not seen em. PB only cathces say 90% of the cheats out there (wild figure but u know sounds good ).

BUt yes thats a good thing, people that really want to cheat will find ways around PB, but eventiually a PB update will catch them out.

Problem is do you set PB to required or optional, on optional thoose that want to cheat will freely without PB. On required some people will be isolated, some may have system problems some may not want to use it.

Big discussion over on Jolt at the mo to, they are being forced by the CS community to consider it.

My thought is, let others test run it, if it seems good BW should adapt it.

When/if BW moves to pay 2 play then it will defo need something like this.

I suppose at the end of the day it takes very little time to set up and run PB but its up to the BW team, I'm sure the have a lto more knowledge and for and against then us.

We can only say yes, sounds good can u look into it and get back to us about it.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by White-Knight
If you lot at Barrysworld don't think people cheat in your servers, then you're just ignorant.

No you're ignorant if you believe PB will stop it.

 

[Ch3tan]

Embattle its a very Pb bashing attitude there, PB will stop and cath some, yes otehrs need admining but its a good thing for the community.

I know BW are not going to implement it especially as its a beta product, but they are right a lot of blatent cheating recently -simply to undermine bw.

WOuld be nice to see though, if there was even one PB BW server I would ignore the toehr servers and just play there.

Im not naive I know it wont stop every thing, but it will be one step closer.

 

[Embattle]

Yes I know that Ch3tan and I wasn't really replying to you but the I'm sure one of the WP people said it took a lot of servers up just to run PB.

 

[old.White-Knight]

Originally posted by Embattle


No you're ignorant if you believe PB will stop it.

I didn't say it would stop it. But I'm sure it's infinately more effective than doing jack shit! Also, it will probably turn cheaters away from BW and force them to play on other servers.

 

[Ch3tan]

May be so, but I know several clans that run Pb for there servers of a cable modem.

The problem is PB linux version is still very early beta, so unless bw setup some windows boxes to run pb then I suppose it wont happen.

 

[old.M@trix[UC_UK]]

Barrysworld had to take PB pff of tfc league servers cause ppl kept getting kicked dont know if they have solved the prob................

 

[Perplex]

There's a really simple answer to all this (well two, but telling you all to get a fucking life doesn't quite sound right when I used to kick all your arses repeatedly...lo White Knight & Badass...it's Wifebeater

Why not migrate some existing servers, or even create a few new ones that run PB. that way a choice is left for the 'punter'.

If they know what PB is, and they are happy to get the client, endure a slightly degraded connection, and deal with occasional random kicks for the peace of mind that they are not playing with cheats then they have that optional available to them.

If they have no idea what PB is, or just disagree with it, they can go to one of the vanilla CS servers.

Everyone's a winner baby



((edited: typos are a bitch))

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by White-Knight
However, for a while now and especially in the last month, I have witnessed some of the most blatent and ridiculous cheating in the BW servers.

It would seem the only way to rectify the situation would be to make the Punkbuster software required to play on the server.

I would like to make my opinion clear. If you lot at Barrysworld don't think people cheat in your servers, then you're just ignorant. If you don't care because you have the backing of a big company and don't rely on or care about your regular players then that's just plain unfair!

Regarding the above

What do you think there are admins for? If you see somebody cheating how about coming to get one of us. I dunno about the other admins but im not pshycic. If theres a cheater on the servers its not like we have some kinda spiderman style sense that tells us. Before you moan about there being cheats on the servers consider what exactly you personally do to help get rid of them.

Now regarding punkbuster. This isnt my decision to make but heres my opinion.

1. it ISNT effective - The true hardcore cheaters are always the biggest problem. Punkbuster only deters the small time cheaters that arise. Consumate cheaters manage to bypass it therefore making it useless.
2. Extra Lag - This is a double edged sword. All people ever do is bitch about pings, lag, etc. so my question is if PB was put on the server how many would begin to bitch?
3. Newbies - New people seem to fall over just trying to set up there player names in CS, so to me forcing them to use punkbuster seems like a bad idea.
4. Asus - Now I h8 this manufacturer because of what they've done to the gaming community but I have sympathy for there users that bought Asus cards in good faith. Installing PB would summarily execute all the Asus users who have a card and dont use it to cheat. Before anybody replys saying I'm biased or something I actually have a Nvidia TNT2.
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   You all seem to think that PunkBuster is like some magic wand that makes all the cheaters disappear well it doesnt. Cheaters are a part of ALL games and the only people that can stop them are the developers. If you want a true solution i suggest you petition Valve to Fix the engine.
   
   In Summary - Sod PunkBuster get an Admin and Blame Valve

 

[old.Andy]

Originally posted by M@trix[UC_UK]
Barrysworld had to take PB pff of tfc league servers cause ppl kept getting kicked dont know if they have solved the prob................

Barrysworld didn't actually run the punkbuster server which is the likely cause of the problems.
There was lag between the game servers and the pb server (in sweden I think) and so it sometimes missed the authentication messages and kicked people.

I think PB should be tried on at least some of the servers. So what if it doesn't stop hardcore cheats, it stops all the lamers who can only manage to type CS CHeats in google and run whatever they find.

 

[MYstIC G]

Because lamers that do type CS cheats into google can be taken care of with a simple ban

 

[old.Andy]

If it was that simple why aren't the cheaters being banned?
Either cheating isn't as widespread as some people seen to suggest it is, or the cheaters know that to get a permanent ban is quite unlikely.
Punkbuster takes away the need to go find an admin to see a supposed cheater in action, who then can kick them and maybe if its a regular occurance, get them banned.

I really can't see why trying it out on a few servers would be so bad.

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by MYstIC G


Now regarding punkbuster. This isnt my decision to make but heres my opinion.

1. it ISNT effective - The true hardcore cheaters are always the biggest problem. Punkbuster only deters the small time cheaters that arise. Consumate cheaters manage to bypass it therefore making it useless.
2. Extra Lag - This is a double edged sword. All people ever do is bitch about pings, lag, etc. so my question is if PB was put on the server how many would begin to bitch?
3. Newbies - New people seem to fall over just trying to set up there player names in CS, so to me forcing them to use punkbuster seems like a bad idea.
4. Asus - Now I h8 this manufacturer because of what they've done to the gaming community but I have sympathy for there users that bought Asus cards in good faith. Installing PB would summarily execute all the Asus users who have a card and dont use it to cheat. Before anybody replys saying I'm biased or something I actually have a Nvidia TNT2.
   [/list=1]
   You all seem to think that PunkBuster is like some magic wand that makes all the cheaters disappear well it doesnt. Cheaters are a part of ALL games and the only people that can stop them are the developers. If you want a true solution i suggest you petition Valve to Fix the engine.

1. 
   
   Lag - PB (and yes I play on PB servers) does not add extra lag,ask the people with clan servers that run them as open servers with pb on. PB used to lagg yes but its been fixed, the only conflict is with pb and some virus scanners.
   
   Not effective? -I cant prove how effective it is not knowing teh amount of cheats avaialble. BUt if it even stops some its a good thing, no one is anvie enough to ebleive its the ultimate solution.
   It is effective at exposig cheats, the fact its updated while while used will meen that people who hack the client may be caught sleeping while it secretly updates.
   
   Newbies -See Perplex's post, I agree that newbies will have trouble but I think one or two PB REQUIRED servers for thoose of us that want it would be nice. Just like the dual duster, set it up -its its not popular get rid of it. This way experienced players can play there, newbies dont get scared away from bw cause all servers need pb.
   
   Asus -Didn't do your research here. PB now only warns/kicks when it detects asus drivers WITH the registry keys needed for transparency and wireframe enabled. SO it wont kick u for using an asus card or drivers, even if u have the cheat drivers as long as the cheats are disabled it wont kick you.

 

[MYstIC G]

Well firstly cheaters get banned and permanent bans are Very Likley

Mabye PB does take away the need to get an admin however I see it like this. Why should everybody have to install a piece of software because you dont want to get an admin? There are plenty of admins about people just need to start using them.

 

[MYstIC G]

Actually Ch3tan I did do my homework all the following information I use is taken from the PB Documentation on their website here which I took the time to read before posting and I'm afraid it doesnt agree with you.

Originally posted by Ch3tan
Lag - PB (and yes I play on PB servers) does not add extra lag,ask the people with clan servers that run them as open servers with pb on. PB used to lagg yes but its been fixed, the only conflict is with pb and some virus scanners.

Taken from PB Manual
During auto-updates, bandwidth is throttled to not exceed 2K/sec which may cause minor noticeable lag for 56K modem users. During normal conditions Auto updates will not occur more than once per week and will take 30-60 seconds to complete.

So the manual says it does cause lag.

Originally posted by Ch3tan
Asus -Didn't do your research here. PB now only warns/kicks when it detects asus drivers WITH the registry keys needed for transparency and wireframe enabled. SO it wont kick u for using an asus card or drivers, even if u have the cheat drivers as long as the cheats are disabled it wont kick you.

Taken from PB Manual
* The Following are Positive Known Cheat Violation Codes *
113. Asus Cheat - The Windows display (video) drivers that are currently installed include code that allows cheating by being able to see through walls. Fix: Change your display driver version.

Doesn't appear to say anything about "as long as the cheats are disabled" so where did that gem come from?

 

[Ch3tan]

Read the latest TOny Ray interview, dont start pendantic points rob this aint the place, 30 seconds of lag so?

Some comments from Bw would be nice.

 

[MYstIC G]

Well as far as im concerned lag is lag end of

Secondly what interview? as I cant find it on their site any chance of a URL?

 

[Meatballs]

If I thought it would make a difference to cheating putting aside a server or two to pb (and I'm not saying it would) I could try and help pesuade SAS/Deathace, but they have been pretty adament, so I wouldn't even bother

 

[old.M@trix[UC_UK]]

I think the point that ppl r trying to make is just do a couple of servers with PB and if ppl want to use PB they will and ppl that want to put with cheats wont I cant actually see a problem there..............................
If i dont want to play dust only maps I wont us ethat server we are all capable of making our own decisions so let us pleazzzzz.
Sorry bout spelling my food is ready and i am in a hurry

 

[Astas]

Punkbuster doesnt prove anything atm, even though I've heard they are gonna add something to it where it takes random screenshots from your gfx card memory and upload them to their website... Hopefully this will stop the cheats, but atm PB gets hacked easy, and if they were to put it on BW servers they would have to upgrade every week or so, cos they realease so many versions in a short period of time.

 

[Ch3tan]

Taken from PB Manual
* The Following are Positive Known Cheat Violation Codes *
113. Asus Cheat - The Windows display (video) drivers that are currently installed include code that allows cheating by being able to see through walls. Fix: Change your display driver version.

It does at no point here say all asus users, if you read the sentence it says "drivers that are currently installed include code that allows cheating". Only two version of the asus driver do that, and Pb checks to see its enabled. Hardly all Asus card owners or spftware revisions is it?

Link for the interview?

http://csnation.counter-strike.net/features/interviews/punk.html

 

[Dudda]

PB is crap i just got banned from a jolt server caus i wasnt running it if i had known i would have started it up, but now im banned from there

ffs

to all the laggy jolt servers out there

 

[MYstIC G]

http://viper.aq2zone.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002563.html

Although ASUS did not officially release the “see-through” feature in the current 11.01, 12.00 and 12.10 drivers, this feature-enhancing codes were enabled by non-ASUS programmers and posted on various unauthorized websites.

Actually with registry modifications it was possible to make any ASUS drivers use the transparancy

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by Dudda
PB is crap i just got banned from a jolt server caus i wasnt running it if i had known i would have started it up, but now im banned from there

ffs

to all the laggy jolt servers out there

That would have been a clanserver, they usually asy on the welcome text and things, jolt dont do public pb servers either.

Mystic > thats 3 versions, not all the asus drivers, only the ones with the feature built in can be registry unlocked not all of them. Pb checks this code, your just plain wrong on this one.