Critblade Problems

[Crashtje]

i recently respecced to 50sword 44cs 35stealth 20la 20envenom, and i can pa anything , can usually get pa off on staelthers with my 2h, the problem comes when i try and hit em afterwards , using either my 2h sword when i got a haste buff or using a 1h sword mainhand and a lefta axe, and i get an abnormal amount of misses, if i didnt pa for 600+ i would die due to the miss ratio im getting, you think i oculd be bugged ? or just bad luck ? its kinda annoying tryin to ragnarok and miss`ing 5 times

 

[warlock_es]

Critblade shines with 2 buffbots:
aug shammy and aug healer.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
i recently respecced to 50sword 44cs 35stealth 20la 20envenom, and i can pa anything , can usually get pa off on staelthers with my 2h, the problem comes when i try and hit em afterwards , using either my 2h sword when i got a haste buff or using a 1h sword mainhand and a lefta axe, and i get an abnormal amount of misses, if i didnt pa for 600+ i would die due to the miss ratio im getting, you think i oculd be bugged ? or just bad luck ? its kinda annoying tryin to ragnarok and miss`ing 5 times

You always seem to get a lot of hitting air whilst using 2H v stealthers, and you need roughly about 13+ in LA (total inc. bonuses) to get a good hit ratio weilding LA too.

 

[spankya]

Are all the weapons enchanted? Knowing you as I do I would imagine you enchanted everything, but ya never know. Its amazing how many people dont realise the effect of enchanting and dont do it.

 

[envenom]

dont use 2h against stealthers its really not worth it you will PA sure and he'll probably evade ur cd and df your ass.

use 2x weapons sword and speedy hand axe or whatever then own em with pa+cd then get a positional off and win

i cant remember the last time i used my 2h it sucks that much

 

[Crashtje]

regardless of weapons im missing non stop - i cant fight bcos im missing

 

[envenom]

check ya weapons have been enchanted and double check i knew a guy who missed like that i told him about enchanted weapons and he said there enchanted 2 days later he pmd me saying they werent enchanted after all

 

[Djin]

im a critblade, and i only use 2h'er when i have the perfect chanse of a PA. Then i complete the PA chain, and change to one handers. This works pretty good for me. But, i always move with my 1h'ers loaded, they hit faster than a 2h sword and then increase damage of hits.. use fast 1h'ers imo, and use 2h only on PA, ur swing rate is slow with 2h, so the chanse of ganking a infil with 50% evade on the 2h is not good. Pa with 2h, CD and move on to 1h'ers.


Im usually buffed, so i give great swing speed with my 1h'ers.
I have the lifebane poisen tho, which helps me for around 60-100 each tick and ofc do great more damage, since im not LA specced.

my experience is buffed. but hope it works for you.

about the missing.. thats weird tho..

Good luck.

 

[vintervargen]

i dont get this arguement - slow weapons will be evaded more.

if an inf evade 50% it doesnt matter how slow your weap is does it? only negative effects is that poisons will take longer time to hit, and harder to get off reactive styles..

 

[Djin]

what i mean with that is, u hit alot slower. so when u have 3 hits of, maybe missed one or 2, then the infil have 10 hits of and your almost dead.

So u have better chanse of hitting when u use 1h'ers, cause if u do miss mainhand, atleast u give, usually some damage with LA too, even if it is low ( if that one wasnt evaded aswell tho...)

 

[vintervargen]

but 2h gives an xx% dmg increase.. if inf hit you 10 times and you evade 5, you hit 6 times and he evade 3.. you should have dealt same dmg if equal rr stats etc etc

 

[Carlos Bananos]

What envenom said, 2h on stealthers is bad, and check its enchanted.

Originally posted by vintervargen
i dont get this arguement - slow weapons will be evaded more.

if an inf evade 50% it doesnt matter how slow your weap is does it? only negative effects is that poisons will take longer time to hit, and harder to get off reactive styles..

They dont have a higher chance to miss, its just if you do miss, you notise it more..
eg, with 2 axes, and say 2s delay (for sake of argument) you hit 1st, then miss, then hit in 4 seconds (no delay on 1st hit) you've hit them twice..

if u did same with 2h (5s delay)
hit, miss, hit,takes 10 seconds to hit them again (again with no delay on 1st hit)...and it hurts to go 10 seconds without hitting someone..be better to get dragonfanged

 

[Djin]

Originally posted by vintervargen
but 2h gives an xx% dmg increase.. if inf hit you 10 times and you evade 5, you hit 6 times and he evade 3.. you should have dealt same dmg if equal rr stats etc etc

this is true. But the delay u get on the slow wep, say u do 200 damage each hit with 2h (just an example) then u give 600 in 3 hits.

With 1h, u give bout 10 hits in the same time, and u do 100damage with main hand. Then u hitted him for more damage, + the extra poisen u could add, and some left axe damage, and 2x wep proc

so imo, 1h'ers is better. there was one time that i didnt think this, but the truth is.. it is better.. sad but true :-/ Increase SB's 2h sword damage imo ;D

 

[Meltin`]

hmm

If your specced as a critblade, dont even bother using left axe. Your weaponskill and damage when wielding 2 axes and using left axe style goes off your left axe skill.

20 in left axe is absolutely useless. Dont even bother.

Use 1handed axe and a shield if you dont want to use a 2 hander.

 

[envenom]

shield? that has to be totaly gimped lol

for a start your depriving yourself of using 2 posions dot+debuff

and 20 la+18 is pretty good with some ras lol shield that has to be the most stupid thing ive ever heard

 

[zico]

Originally posted by envenom
and 20 la+18 is pretty good

After we get patched to version 1.62 20+18 left axe will hit for totally gimped damage. Left axe isnt that great atm when an inf debuffs you, so imagine what your damage will be like with vastly reduced left axe (compared to a 5spec and shadowzerker) AND the left axe nerf in place.

I agree though that 2h is very poor when fighting other assassins but at least wont suffer from the left axe nerf and you get a little bonus damage from using a 2 handed weapon. However, It will be difficult for a shadowblade to beat an equally buffed infil when the patch lands - regardless of spec.

 

[Blazor Meneth]

Usually PA inf if I'm in right position, then maybe CD with 2h also IF I fell lucky then going 2x and do spd decrease style then hamstering with backup by garrote. Then I got 1-5 crippel axes in inventory as life savers, crippeling is critblades best friend imo (purge helps to ) using 47 debuff on 2h to get a bigger chance againt the feckers but inf's debuff hurt me more so maybe purge that do if I want to do 200 dmg instead of 80-90 debuffed with 2x

 

[infozwerg]

After we get patched to version 1.62 20+18 left axe will hit for totally gimped damage.

you will hit for the exact same amount of dam before and after patch because you dont use la styles and ONLY style dam was fixed. using cs styles while dualwielding is not changed at all by the 1.62.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Pin
I'd seriously advise staying LA-specced even after the nerf.

If you are using 2h on anyone with a shield their block rates will go through the roof if you no longer dual-wield on them. I did a few tests and against my Reaver with 68shield, 42parry and 300dex you wouldn't land a single hit on me with 900 or less weaponskill (i.e. you unbuffed), and only ~30% at 1300 weaponskill (i.e. you buffed).


If you miss PA against anyone with a brain/experience, you're in trouble. If CD gets blocked, you're in trouble. If the caster QC-CC before CD, you're in trouble, etc, etc.

These are (some of) the reasons Creep, Eeny, Korv, etc HATED CB spec after the OSRS was removed.... While it was in, 95% of their kills were casters around groups (sat/lowcon/etc). There was very little chance of being detected even amongst 50 people as the assassin population was TINY (maybe 3 level 50 Infs when the 1.48 assassin fix patch hit EU).

 

[zico]

Originally posted by infozwerg
you will hit for the exact same amount of dam before and after patch because you dont use la styles and ONLY style dam was fixed. using cs styles while dualwielding is not changed at all by the 1.62.

When i said 20+18 left axe would hit for gimped damage i was refering to left axe styles in particular. Left axe spec also effects all damage done when duel wielding, so with 20+18 left axe you will hit for crap damage with any style line, whether it be axe, left axe or critical strike.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by zico
When i said 20+18 left axe would hit for gimped damage i was refering to left axe styles in particular. Left axe spec also effects all damage done when duel wielding, so with 20+18 left axe you will hit for crap damage with any style line, whether it be axe, left axe or critical strike.

you'll hit for much higher damage than with 1 weapon against anyone with a shield

 

[Carlos Bananos]

listen to Mistar Pin.

while LA kinda sucks after patch, it still out performs CS.

 

[infozwerg]

there is no real reason (other than the rumor you cant dualwield unless you spec high in la) to use a 2hander over two weapons even if you are cs specced.

 

[envenom]

well Paradigm rr6 sb uses roughly 50 sword 44 cs 32 stealth 19 envenom 20 la or roughly around that area and he thinks its pretty good.

atm i have 5 la + 14 and duelist reflexes 2 and i can tell you now my damage sucks if i dont hit with my left axe dont ask why without a crit im lucky to get 200+ damage now when i hit with my left axe aswell as my main hand i roughly get 250 damage maybe abit less.

if the nerf isnt as bad as what ppl make out after the patch im defo going SZ im sick of CS now i just wanna twat ppl even if LA is the same as DW or CD im still respecing because Remi and SSt are DW spec and hit hard imo its not a bad thing?

 

[Pin]

remi is 44cs

 

[minime_]

I really like being CB, its ? times more fun than SZ. Only downturn to CB is that you cant stun without PA/BS, but we all know that :> With purge up i can fight any infil in melee without PA or BS and still win. And when you 3 shot another stealther its kinda like getting and orgasme. SZ might preform abit better than CB even after patch, but i got bored of it and never regret having gimped myself before patch.

 

[envenom]

ah remi just spams his only DW style then i guess to get the evade for df :O

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by envenom
ah remi just spams his only DW style then i guess to get the evade for df :O

huh?

 

[zico]

Originally posted by envenom
well Paradigm rr6 sb uses roughly 50 sword 44 cs 32 stealth 19 envenom 20 la or roughly around that area and he thinks its pretty good.

I respecced zico the other day to 44axe, 50cs, 33stealth, 31envenom

I need to redo his sc setup for this spec, but when thats sorted ill be trying him out in rvr. My pa cap should be around 1050 without a crit, maybe more. The new 5.7spd axes should take the pa cap to 1120 ish - ive just got to hope my target dies in the first hit Im also going to reinvest my see hidden points in mastery of pain 4.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by zico
I respecced zico the other day to 44axe, 50cs, 33stealth, 31envenom

I need to redo his sc setup for this spec, but when thats sorted ill be trying him out in rvr. My pa cap should be around 1050 without a crit, maybe more. The new 5.7spd axes should take the pa cap to 1120 ish - ive just got to hope my target dies in the first hit Im also going to reinvest my see hidden points in mastery of pain 4.

I'm guessing you just made all those numbers up, right?

PA cap is 75 + 9*[CS Level] + [Unstyled Cap]

Which I think gives you a PA cap of 973 with a 5.3spd War Cleaver and 66CS, and will be 996 with a 5.7spd axe.