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Fledgling Freddie
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Reply within quote .. sorry for messed up format but im in a rush 
Iceflower said:Bleh for ignorant political propaganda on this sever. A few comments on the some silly things here:
>You mean some of you lot are actually aware theres a world outside of your own boarders?
I guess those guys that paid in blood to to ensure continental Europe would cease to be Nazi occupied would find that comment really offensive....
>Actually if want to know something interesting .. America only came into the war because of Pearl Harbour .. and they still wouldnt declare war on Germany .. and fyi the reason america entered the war in europe was because Germany declared war on the US not the other way around so this attitude of america swepeing in and been the big hero is utter bullshit .. America only entered the war when they had to .. millions of lives could have been saved if they had chosen to come in earlier.
>the states thinks its the centre of the world and that they can do what the want
Small wonder, it have been forced to bail out stupid Europeans from two huge wars in the last 90 years....that have given them them a belief that they are the last bastion of democracy in this world since we Europeans have been soo good at creating bad political systems during the last 100 years.
>LOL m8 .. Did you know where Jefferson got most of his ideas for the American constitution .. A guy named John Locke who was english. American constitution is founded on a Europeans ideas .. OMG !!! And if u believe that America is democratic atm u are quite stupid. A two party system where whoever has the most money wins .. and to get this money the politicians make deals with corporations .. guess where americas foreign and ecomonic policies come from .. yes .. corporations. Have u any idea what these companies do in foreign countries. Check where ur
Nikes were made m8 .. probably in a sweat shop in a 3rd world country where its practically slave labour. As for bailing us out of 2 stupid wars .. the first world war happened in a political climate of kings and queens .. nothing much the average joe could do anything about... most people didnt even understand the reason they were fighting. As for the second world war .. yes it was a WORLD WAR .. it was quite a unique event in the history of the human race and was influenced by sociological factors that had to do with more than just europeans. And as i said above america didnt sweep in and save everybody out of the goodness of their hearts .. they just realised that they were next on the list.
>Most americans have no clue about their countries foreign poilcy and economic practices.
The sad thing is that that statement applies to Europeans as well when it comes to the European Union (only level were we can compare Europe and the US). A small test, raise your hand all of you that can tell what the EU Nice summit in 2002 created that have an impact on all European countries today.(dont cheat by using googles now
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>I can tell u m8 because my country held the deciding vote and we had a referendum twice on Nice .. and i can tell u one thing .. the majority of europeans have a much better idea about what goes on in relation to the EUs foreign and economic policies ... countries have voted no on single currency etc. which proves that the average voter is concerned about the economic impact which Nice and the single currency is going to have on them. Bush stated when talking about education in the states last year that huge reforms were needed and one of the statistics he used was that something like 40% of american high school students thought that germany was on the side of the allies in world war 2 when asked the question... need i say more
>There are REASONS why what it is happening in the world atm is happening and it wont be sorted till americans stop believing that people who have attacked america are doing it because the are evil and have nothing better to do
You miss most of the story by only looking at the last 10 years...
>who said im looking at the last 10 years?
>the americans have to try and figure out that something is driving people to behave the way the are to the extent that they give up their own lives in thier cause
Oh dear, so we should actually believe Bin Laden's view that this is a religous war then? Islam versus Christianity?
>Oh Jesus .. this is exactly what im talking about .. why the fuck would Bin laden be attacking america if he wanted a war on christianity .. America is hardly the most christian place in the world .. why are the not bombing the Vatican ... Bin Ladens war has nothing to do with religion m8 .. at best its an excuse he uses to rally support. Figure out what american companies are doing in the rest of the world and what americas poilicies are and then come back and talk to me .. The CIA trained Bin Laden FFS and they gave Sadaam most of the weapons he had.
>people have to try and see past this and eduacate thenselves with the reality of the situation .. and the first step should be to get rid of BUSH
Looks like you have fallen into the propaganda trap yourselfThe problems you allude to in your US bashing post have deep roots and is part of a very complex situation. Thinking those can be easier solved just by taking out one man from the equation is giving him far more credit than he deserves. His predecessors on the post has tried to solve them since the middle of the 70's without success. I guess that education advice could do you good too.
>The reality m8 is that Bush is a symbol across the world of american ignorance and agression .. he is also wrongly in office and he is the cause of a huge split within the states itself. Removing him from power and puting in a new administration is the first step in a process that america has to go through if they want to sort this mess out. I know what bush is and isnt m8 .. i know who really has the power and that the man is a puppet but it cant be a bad idea to get rid of a man who publicly says about Sadaam b4 the war in Iraq " thats the man who tried to kill my daddy" ( quote taken from newsweek )