News Contractors to get same rights as Permanant Staff

[Nate]

Wooohoooo!!!! BBC NEWS | UK | New rights for temporary workers

This is great news, for me. I've been getting less and less money every year as the agency I work for won't even increase rate of pay with inflation. Not just that but I have to drive quite a fair way in my own car and thus get mileage paid at a lousy 23p per mile...Can't wait for these new laws to come in to effect. Sick pay!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Good news really. About time i guess too

 

[Nate]

I think it's across EU aswell Just have to wait for this, "the agreement still needs the backing of the European Parliament." but otherwise it's pretty secure.

 

[Castus]

Which agency Nate? Mine i run might be better for u :england:

 

[Nate]

Can't wait!!

 

[Castus]

Bloody Europeans causing us a right headache..... again!

 

[old.Whoodoo]

I hate the whole principle of agencies, and hopefully this will put employers off using them and giving them a proper job!!

When you are agency you get treated like shat by both the contracting company and your employer, you get sod all benefits, and the agency makes as much per hour as you do for doing fuck all. I once worked for one, and laughed as I quit the day I found out my £10 to them was £19 per hour.

Not just that but the employers themselves can stop being so frikken lazy using them and give people real jobs instead of this bullshit. Makes me wonder how some justify using agencies who charge way over the top. Employers dont want the hastle of giving them holiday, sick or pension benefits, but pay twice as much to get you anyway, sounds bloody daft to me.

 

[Aoami]

Good idea but needs to be more than 12 weeks imo.

 

[Laddey]

Nice one for the laborers?

 

[Nate]

Whys that Aoami? I think there shouldn't be a pay decrease/less rights for temp workers in the first place.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Whys that Aoami? I think there shouldn't be a pay decrease/less rights for temp workers in the first place.

There should be for trainees though.

If the temp has experience in the job he's temping in, then there shouldn't ofcourse, the pay should reflect a new full time employee.

 

[Nate]

It should still be the same as what a full time trainee would get though imo.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It should still be the same as what a full time trainee would get though imo.

Yeah but trainees usually get less pay then a non-trainee.

It should reflect a normal worker pay, except without the bonus part of "being in the house for 10 years" ofcourse

 

[Aoami]

Whys that Aoami? I think there shouldn't be a pay decrease/less rights for temp workers in the first place.

Shouldn't be from the start, thats for sure. If an agency send us someone we don't like and we tell them to fuck off we'd get done for UD.

I say longer than 12 weeks purely with short term temps in mind, and think the limit should be 6 months. This is because i think Temps often do temp work because of the freedom it gives them. They don't have to come into work if they don't want to, they just don't get paid for that day. They can also do as much or as little work as they want (hour wise).

The bbc report also doesn't state whether employee's will move over to the company's standard T & C's, special Temp T & C's or they'll be carried on being employed by the Agency. If they're moving on to standard T&C's 3 months is ridiculous.

 

[Varna]

I am probably being stupid but why would I want the same rights permanent staff want? Surely that means lower pay for me. I been in IT a few years and started contracting last year, just stopped a job £13 an hour and had to use an umbrella company - Had I went through an agency that would have been around £7. I thought that was good pay for my area (ok probably not as amazing as some of you on here). I didnt get holiday or sick pay and we got treated like shit by the company EDS but the cash I got becuase I was a contractor made up for that, those benefits dont interest me and if it got to a stage where they did look good then I would certainly look for a job with them and stop contracting. Also, if your on a contract, most people do their time then take a week or so break anyway so I don't see why having new rights if as the OP says is true would help me personally.

If I have missed the point completely then sorry! :wub:

 

[Nate]

It's a good deal for contractors who have pretty much a permanant job, but due to the company wanting to be able to get rid whenever they like, pay less and have staff which they can generally treat like shit are still classified as "temporary/contractors". Companies can no longer take the piss like a lot of them do currently. You still have to work 3 months before any of it comes in to effect, but at least now there is a timelimit on it.

It would mean you'd get the same pay as permanant staff(permanant staff have always got better pay wherever I've worked as a contractor), aswell as the same rights. You shouldn't be treated like a lower class worker because the company doesn't want to take on permanant staff.

 

[Nate]

Shouldn't be from the start, thats for sure. If an agency send us someone we don't like and we tell them to fuck off we'd get done for UD.

If you had a permanant worker start he'd be on a probation period for a while wouldn't he?

 

[Imgormiel]

I've known about this for some time, somehow i still reckon you will get treated like shit when you are in the workplace though because of the stigma of being a contracted worker. It was like that anyway last year when i worked as a temp for the Home office even though i wasn't classed as a temp for an agency.

 

[tris-]

last 2 years i worked for a certain agency and i was treat like shit.
shifts were random and sporadic. sometimes i get called 30 mins before they needed a start and one time the fucking bitch rang me at 11.30pm! after that i told them to eat shit and die. while working their the other staff turned their nose up at me too.

at the current place i get the same treatment as everyone else in all aspects, and im part of a shift rota so i know where i am with it each day.

i do get paid about £1.10 less than the perm people but if youre still there after 13 weeks they employ you and wage is increased etc.

 

[Iceforge]

last 2 years i worked for a certain agency and i was treat like shit.
shifts were random and sporadic. sometimes i get called 30 mins before they needed a start and one time the fucking bitch rang me at 11.30pm! after that i told them to eat shit and die. while working their the other staff turned their nose up at me too.

at the current place i get the same treatment as everyone else in all aspects, and im part of a shift rota so i know where i am with it each day.

i do get paid about £1.10 less than the perm people but if youre still there after 13 weeks they employ you and wage is increased etc.

ah, thats nice

Just got the word from my boss that after summer I can change shifts where I am from night to weekend, that'll be great.

Less overall pay, but free mon-friday sure is sweet...

 

[Ezteq]

tbh dont knock agencies theyre great if you dont want to settle in to anything perminantly and just want casual work that varies. B2 worked as a temp for a while when he was working out what he actually wanted to do and it gave him freedom and experience in different fields without cocking up his employment record, he eventually found a perminant job at one of his placements and really likes it.

its better to be on an agency than take loads of short term jobs (in respect to your CV) beacuse you dont have to give a reason not to stay there and vice versa so you dont need references from them.

 

[Shagrat]

so this might apply to me as well then. I work for a company that has me contracted out onsite for another company.

I've been there over 2 years now, this April every permanent member of staff in my department got a payrise whereas me and the other contract guy got nothing. The permanent staff got 30 days full pay from the first day they are sick (if they are sick for that long of course), we get nothing for the first 3 days then SSP (so about £75 a week whoopi-do, I had to take the 2 weeks I was off work after having my appendix out last year as holiday to make sure I could pay my rent....)

Good news.....

 

[Rubric]

Fucking temps,

Lazy good for nothing wasters imo.

 

[Imgormiel]

Fucking Rubric,

Lazy good for nothing waster imo.

Edited to give more of an FH flavour for someone out of touch with today's global economy xD

 

[Rubric]

Edited because i didn't realise that he has a load of useless temporary staff who don't give a shit and scarily will be responsible for tomorrows global economy xD

 

[Nate]

Edited because I didn't realise hiring the chavs off the street isn't a good idea. Maybe I should watch The Apprentice and get some pointers.