Configging

[ECA]

I know a few of you didnt know about ex_interp etc, so I'm going to try and explain a bit more about it, and other variables.

Basically the HL netcode whilst being shoot where you see, instead of having to adjust for lag, is utter wank.

Most of the time only about 60-80% of the shots you fire at an opponent will actually hit.

For eg, I was playing on train earlier and fired 6 deagle shots at someone close range, 1 missed - i saw the smoke puff on the wall, the other 5 hit.

Yet only 2 registered, resulting in me getting splatted.

Configging, basically changes the percentage of your shots that hit properly, and decreases the amount of shots that get *lost*.

The result of this is that a lot of the variables used to achieve this perfect shot registry, are being locked in 1.6

Upside - More even playing field, Downside - crap shot reg, unless they recode major portions of the netcode.


Some config tweaking variables
cl_resend
cl_cmdbackup
cl_updaterate
cl_cmdrate
rate



the rate commands, whilst you may not think they affect your shot registry, do vastly.

The flipside is, because of server the server settings, bandwidth, etc, different settings achieve different results on different servers :-]

Hope some of you found that informative.


Oh one more thing that affects it, the OS the server is running on.

Win2k servers are notoriously crap.

Linux or BSD are much much better.

 

[Lester]

So is it cheating then or what?

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Use the force of a ping that varies from 30-500

 

[ECA]

Well its not technically cheating as such, but some feel that it gives an unfair advantage, hence some of the cvars are being locked in 1.6

After all, it does create an uneven playing field, especially online where there isnt an admin over your shoulder.

 

[Ch3tan]

If you really want to know about net settings then read a good guide. Sogamed and HL tweak guides will give you a good idea, although its usually down to personal preference.

 

[ECA]

ch3tan - they are general guides, they dont discuss the implications upon bullet registry.

Anyway, heres what I believe to be the best guide for those not particularly interested in configging, but who want a decent bunch of settings.

http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/ConnectionFAQ/Halflife.htm

 

[Skyler]

It's not cheating, just terribly lame.

If you cant play with default netcode settings then why bother playing at all

 

[Lester]

It seems that the point is moot if you play on Jolt as they now employ "config forcing" .

Mind you, I assumed this forced a default config as people were moaning that their rates had changed but my few scripts remained intact ( I havent checked me rates yet cba)

 

[ECA]

These config *enforcers* are easily bypassed.

The people who dont mess with their settings dont care, the ones who do, know how to circumvent it.

Just makes the playing field more uneven.

 

[S-Gray]

I dont like any bitch messing with my Config after my little Mic incident on a Jolt Server... ive Write Protected it so no one can seriously "harm" my baby

 

[ECA]

yes the little admin_execclient unbindall

which twat thought that was a good idea to put in?

 

[Gumbo]

Originally posted by Super_Gray[SG]
I dont like any bitch messing with my Config after my little Mic incident on a Jolt Server... ive Write Protected it so no one can seriously "harm" my baby

Not that you play anymore, of course....

 

[S-Gray]

Oh of course, i was speaking Metaphorically

 

[Gumbo]

Obviously.

 

[Mr Bungle]

Originally posted by ECA
For eg, I was playing on train earlier and fired 6 deagle shots at someone close range, 1 missed - i saw the smoke puff on the wall, the other 5 hit.

Yet only 2 registered, resulting in me getting splatted.

Was that on your server ?

I remember trying to TK an AFK teamie on your server - took me 4 shots to his head with M3 at 3 yard range... Both of us stationary... Tried another stunt like that with deagle too and got pretty much the same result...

Tbh my conn is teh s00k anyways. It's a fact of CS life : Whatever happens Bungle's conn will s00k.

Cheers,
Bungle

 

[ECA]

Not our server.

We know thats hideous and we are not renewing with em.

This was a bygames server.


I really do hate going on a server, unloading 2-3 headshots in seperate bursts into someone, and having NOTHING hit, with a demo to prove I was on target.

Its bloody annoying.

I can understand why people config, but i dont go beyond altering my rates.

 

[Ch3tan]

Originally posted by ECA
Not our server.

We know thats hideous and we are not renewing with em.

This was a bygames server.


I really do hate going on a server, unloading 2-3 headshots in seperate bursts into someone, and having NOTHING hit, with a demo to prove I was on target.

Its bloody annoying.

I can understand why people config, but i dont go beyond altering my rates.

On BY thats more likely to be choke/loss. I have to have my rates ridiculosly low on BY to avoid choke and loss, they improved it a little in recent weeks, but its still poor.

 

[Mr Flibble]

I'm presuming you mean reduce updaterate and cmdrate, rather than rate itself on by?

wrt config adjustments. I have no problem with people playing round with cl_cmdrate cl_updaterate and rate as all you are altering is the amount of data sent to and from the server, which is effectively the same as improving your connection. Ideally everyone would have exactly the same connection and exactly the same config, but that's a fantasy senario. The only problem I have is when people start changing other variables to exploit the limitations of the netcode setup, and by that I mean affecting the ability of other players to hit you.

 

[S-Gray]

heh, well, went onto another "dodgy" clanserver last night been playin with em for a while, but last night they put some "cheat" thing on, it popped up on my screen saying it... then all of a sudden i couldnt use my primary/secondary weapons, it fired one bullet automatically then reloaded over and over. It didnt really stop me because i still killed most of em with my knife, but i suppose thats not really the point... some clans just dont like been hammered by people they never heard of..

Er back on topic now

 

[Rubber Bullets]

I got that exact problem once Gray. I use mouse4 as my reload and I found that it was stuck down. This over rides the fire command meaning that everytime you fire 1 shot the gun gets reloaded.

Check that wasn't what happened to you, it seems unlikely that this would be a server side thing.

s

 

[Lester]

Oooh.. what we/I need is a script for setting the best rates for your most frequented servers eh?

press 1 for 50,50, 10000
press2 for something different etc.

could be good.

Jolts pings have gone thru the roof with this config forcing doodah.

 

[S-Gray]

Wasnt just me, it was my "Tag team partner" also

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Originally posted by oldlester
Oooh.. what we/I need is a script for setting the best rates for your most frequented servers eh?

press 1 for 50,50, 10000
press2 for something different etc.

could be good.

Jolts pings have gone thru the roof with this config forcing doodah.

alias "BW" "rate 10000; cl_updaterate 40; cl_cmdrate 80; echo barrysworld settings"
alias "Jolt" "rate 2000; cl_updaterate 10; cl_cmdrate 20; echo Jolt settings"
alias "lan" "rate 25000; cl_updaterate 101; cl_cmdrate 101; echo Yippee I'm on a lan"

Bind "1" "BW"
Bind "2" "Jolt"
Bind "3" "lan"

 

[ECA]

ROFL at the jolt settings. :-]

 

[Lester]

Originally posted by Johnny Bravo


alias "BW" "rate 10000; cl_updaterate 40; cl_cmdrate 80; echo barrysworld settings"
alias "Jolt" "rate 2000; cl_updaterate 10; cl_cmdrate 20; echo Jolt settings"
alias "lan" "rate 25000; cl_updaterate 101; cl_cmdrate 101; echo Yippee I'm on a lan"

Bind "1" "BW"
Bind "2" "Jolt"
Bind "3" "lan"

Awwww c'mon, tell me the right numbers and that looks like it could be good.

Has anyone actually felt any difference with rate changes - I'm cack ALL the time so wouldn't know.

 

[Mr Flibble]

just look at netgraph and make sure you have 0 choke and loss. If you get choke but no loss you can try increasing rate. If it starts to get laggy reduce cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Originally posted by oldlester


Awwww c'mon, tell me the right numbers and that looks like it could be good.

Well I could give you right numbers lester but it really is down to individual connections, what works for me will not necessarily work for you.

The only way to find the your own best settings for each server provider is to experiment. To do this you need to get net graph up (net_graph 3). The next thing to do when on a server is to type sv_maxrate into console, this tells you the servers max rate setting, anything above this will be ignored by the server....you can then set your own rate to match it.

I usually then set cl_cmdrate to equal my average fps, play with this for a while to ensure you get no lag/choke. If thats all ok then I increase cl_updaterate in 10's until I get lag/choke and then drop it back to previous settings.

Obviously as you find your best settings for each service then you can build up the little script on the previous page.

I am no expert but I find this gives me the cleanest connection I can get...hope it helps

 

[Lester]

Yes but will it help me kill adz?

 

[TedTheDog]

I've got a load of config files that biffy gave me years ago.
How many do i actually need?
autoexec and config?
I've tons of shit that i'm sure is a waste of space. I've found at least 4 "rate" instances for example.
I wanna delete the whole lot and start again with something simple but I've got no idea at all where to start.
I'm looking at the upset chaps config guide that ECA suggested, but I dont even know what file to put those commands in!!


:help:

 

[throdgrain]

I have an autoexec and a config file Ted. No doubt some purists here will start shouting cfg ! or something, best to just ignore em tho
Basically the config file is where the standard commands go , then the auto exec is for my additional commands, like my buy scripts etc. if you have an autoexec off the bw ftp, I got mine intially from there, though its much changed, just type exec autoexec.cfg first time in game, and that will be it.
Failing that, just use the standard config to begin with , and add things after as you see fit . You can add in console, or if not using an autoexec just type into the config file.