Conclutions from various zerg threads

[Freia]

Why do big groups of players form, and run around together in our beloved Emain Macha? The question that angers and puzzles us all.

We, the legendary Lion Knights and Elding Herras who ocationally spam 20 lines of deathmessages with a single group, we are mighty upset that those people ZERG!!1 and by doing that completely destroy our way of playing, but I think that in more than one way we ourselfes are responsible for this just because of the way we play.

DISCLAIMER:
I mean no offence to anyone who feel they fit the description for "us" or "they" and neither do I claim to actually be either legendary or Elding Herra.
Also I am not saying that the stuff below or above goes for everyone who has ever been in a group that fought 20 people at the same time and won.
One more thing: by "us"/"we" I mean those who play this game mostly/only for 1 optimized group RvsR combat. I think you know what I mean, some call it "0B4h"-guilds or similar.
END OF DISCLAIMER!

Let's get on with it...

1) We do scream at people who zerg and dismiss them as noobs or zerglings.
2) We do beat up random teams that try to run 1fg because they are told zerging and zerglings suck.
3) We do dismiss and laugh at random teams that get beaten up by more or less experienced teams.

Now, please read the disclaimer one more time before you get upset

Phew...

4) We do NOT group with other than guildmates or other good players who we know.
5) We do NOT join random groups because they suck and we dont wanna waste our time dying, loosing fights and maybe give them a pointer to make them not suck. We want to KEEL and PWN stuff!!11 (and if I gotta sit here in mpk for another MINUTE and wait for my guildies to log on so I can PWN and KEEL stuff I will just PLAY AN ALT DAMNIT!!!1)
6) We do NOT understand that the reason they ZERG1!! is because maybe they do not have enough experience to win 1fg vs 1fg fights or they are simply unable to build an optimized team because some of us refuse to group with people we do not know.

There ya have it! Who should teach people how to play 1fg vs 1fg if not their more experienced realmmates?
Edit: And by teach I do not mean to screan STOP ZERGING YOU NOOBS! IT SUCKS AND YOU SUCK!!1

Oh and one more thing:
Sometimes or rare ocations people also zerg because they want to grab a keep which is kinda hard to do with 1fg.

 

[ghoul]

amen osv

 

[faderullan]

that was interesting.. or not

"We, the legendary Lion Knights and Elding Herras" hahaha

"We do dismiss and laugh at random teams that get beaten up" why laugh?

"We do scream at people who zerg" Relaxe m8

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by faderullan
that was interesting.. or not

"We, the legendary Lion Knights and Elding Herras" hahaha

"We do dismiss and laugh at random teams that get beaten up" why laugh?

"We do scream at people who zerg" Relaxe m8

Someone did not read the disclaimer
I told you to read it one extra time even

 

[fanaticalace]

Mmm.. youve a point Freia.
Seems plausible that the reason most people zerg is because they have no choise - there is a widespread elitism on the servers where those that are constantly online and are therefore high rr refuse to group with any but likeminded/equally experienced players. I guess under these conditions its not so strange that zergs form, so that the less "uber" players can get a chanse to get rp's.
Cant really blame anyone for this tho - its most likely a natural evolution in a game such as this.

 

[Farnis]

...and in reply.

We the non members of this guild realise that because the guild refuses to group with us, the non members will take any members opinions with a pinch of salt....and then discard them.

 

[Farnis]

Seriously though, people come on and some people log on for an hour at most. Not everyone has the time to form dedicated groups. Some people are there for a laugh, not to provide you RR snobs with the chance to gain extra realm points. So seriously, just stick in your guild only groups and leave the rest of us alone.

Cheers.

 

[mavericky]

Other reasons for the zerg:


The random groups that form from non RvR guilds and small guilds are often completly unbalanced, and although the players may be experienced, they realise that no matter how well they play they cannot compete on equal numbers. For example in the past week the number of times that I have managed to get a group with healer in it is 0. Everyone knows essential a healer is, to compensate these misformed groups join up and go around together as they know full well they will be owned as a 1fg.

MG camping, mids do it, albs do it, but often the only way to get through a camped milegate is with greater numbers, the greater numbers often stick together afterwards then go and camp the others sides gate

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by mavericky
and although the players may be experienced, realise that no matter how well they play they cannot compete on equal numbers. For example in the past week the number of times that I have managed to get a group with healer in it is 0.

Really?! I have had atleast one healer in every single group i've been in for, well since i rolled my main

Seriously though. That's like just what I was saying.

And Farnis, well let me tell you first of all that one group combats are way more fun, atleast I think so and most others who have tried it. And second, my point was kinda that maybe instead of dismissing random groups completely and/or leaving them when they screw up and loose maybe those with experience should explain why it went wrong and how it can be done better next time and try again.
And I'm not saying I know everything and always win cause I dont. But some things I take for granted are news to some beginner healers out there.

 

[Derric]

Isn't it called "conclusion"?

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Derric
Isn't it called "conclusion"?

fu irl tbh

Yes, maybe so.
.. sigh, i managed to screw up the most important thing in the whole post
how can it ever be worth anything now?

 

[Azal]

/em hands freia a cookie

 

[Cush]

Originally posted by Freia
fu irl tbh

Yes, maybe so.
.. sigh, i managed to screw up the most important thing in the whole post
how can it ever be worth anything now?

dont worry freia noone listen to you anyway

 

[Falcon]

It's true, I'd love to join a decent 1fg RvR group, but just get completely ignored as a ranger. Hate playing my chanter, only has 18k rps use her for cash farming only. Like my Animist, but want to get my ranger upto a decent RR before I play him much. So, getting good groups is out the question, what options are left?

Soloing: 900rps every 30mins, it's nigh on impossible to find another soloer without being zerged or without them being zerged first. Therefore, the max you'll find is one every 30mins. I probably could find more if I went to emain more often, but at the same time I'd just get eaten in seconds by the 2fg+ Infs that always scuttle around. Hadrians is usually 100% dead, OR 1fg vs 1fg, so that's out the question most the time, so it leaves Odin's. Odin's is great, but suffers the original problem, soloers tend to get killed by the fgs there before you find one, thus 1800 rps per hour max.

Random groups: If you get real lucky you can encounter other random groups, but 99% of the time you just get killed by 1 - 3fg experienced, guild groups or just plain out flattened by the Mid/Alb zerg (see the next section), this generally leads to the groups splitting up VERY fast, thus you're back to step 1, finding people to group with.

Zerging: Nice, safe rps, around 8k an hour, but varies dramatically. Always ends up in the Zerged zerg bringing a bigger zerg when they port back until one zerg can't field anymore players, when this happens MG camping is adopted to attempt to make up for the player difference between opposing zergs. Doesn't take a lot of effort fighting in a zerg either, so many people adopt it after a tiring days work (Something the students who RvR in leet wont yet understand )

Keeps: There is one other option with random groups, harass a keep, this works nice if you manage to take the keep, get inside and if the enemy force bothers to turn up to try and retake it, can be fun for both sides fighting attackers and fighting defenders, however there are a lot of factors on whether this succedes or fails, including: Enemy realm zerging you as you try and take the keep, Not enough people willing to take a keep, Enemy realm may not turn up at all until everyone gets bored and sods off home.

They're the options from my point of view, and the fact is zerging is the only one that gets a decent amount of RPs. I enjoy a good keep fight if the enemy show but all too often they either bring double your attacking numbers or don't show at all and just take it back when everyone's got bored and gone to bed.

So to conclude all that, I'd LOVE to join a dedicated 8 person RvR group, and RvR every night after work and on Saturday or Sunday, but due to a lack of realisation that a good ranger is as good as any offensive tank can ever be at killing enemy mages/support (contrary to what most whine-my-archer-is-gimped-whine types tell you) that option just isn't open to me, unless I give up and play my Enchanter full time instead. So, the next most attractive option after a day at work where I can still gain nice rps, is zerging. Give me a decent RvR group and I'll take it for sure, but until then I'm left with little option most the time.

 

[Farnis]

Originally posted by Freia

And Farnis, well let me tell you first of all that one group combats are way more fun, atleast I think so and most others who have tried it. And second, my point was kinda that maybe instead of dismissing random groups completely and/or leaving them when they screw up and loose maybe those with experience should explain why it went wrong and how it can be done better next time and try again.

Good idea - here you can use these.

/macro /say You died because you had no skald
/macro /say You died because you had no healer
/macro /say You died because you had no pbt

also

/macro /say You died because you wasted a spot with an unbuffed stealther.

 

[ImLestat]

Wasn't sure if this was a serious post at first or if you were just being ironical.

Valid points though. And I agree 1 fg vs. 1 fg where both sides have about equal chance of winning is way more fun than zerging. However even if people are tought how to play the random groups will always have a hard time assembling balanced groups. And even if they do they still lack the kind of coordination that the RvR guild groups have, mainly because they don't play as much together. (Yeah, RA's also play a part, but I'll ignore that for the time being.)
Any solution to that? I have no idea tbh.

 

[Jenna.]

I sense much anger!

 

[Frubly]

<Furball pats Freia on the head>

 

[rynnor]

The other reason zergs appear is that people tend to concentrate in a few places - they find the opposition in these places so they keep coming back.

What may have started as a few seperate groups are forced into close proximity when passing through Milegates.

Mids face particular problems in the 1fg v 1fg area with the two key Alb n Hib group RA's nullifying either melee or magic.

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Azal
/em hands freia a cookie

/em intercepts and steals the cookie!

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by rynnor
The other reason zergs appear is that people tend to concentrate in a few places - they find the opposition in these places so they keep coming back.

What may have started as a few seperate groups are forced into close proximity when passing through Milegates.

Well yes but I was focusing on why people deliberately zerg.

And I guess I better clarify this: If you read the points 1-6 one more time you will find that behind the sacrasm there are sollutions that may help decrease the zerging over time. The final conclution weights much much much less than the rest of the post.

Oh look an unstealthed gimpfiltrator (you must unstealth to steal cookies fyi dewwick). Should we mez and root forever until it cries or just bash the poor thing over the head with teh mighty staff? /me mez Derric and eats the cookie while I ponder that. (standing by with root incase it tries to purge)

 

[Falcon]

/em intercepts and steals the cookie!

Infiltrators aren't ment to get intercept! Nerf Derric, he's overpowered ffs!

 

[SilverHood]

pretty much sums up midgard RvR atm.. dunno about the other realms

only time I've had a decent balanced group in RvR was, erm, some weeks ago at some silly time in the morning, when I grouped with BO, OS and Nemesis. Was just a group of us vs 4 fg albs (this was at 3-4 AM gmt ), and we usually did pretty well, Taking down atleast 2 fg albs before we died.

Bit of a shame really that RvR turned into guild only stuff... used to have some good friends I'd RvR with from various bigger guilds, and I can't play with them at all unless it's non-prime time

Atleast I've seen warders, BO, OS, BaF etc doing their bit for the realm... which is more than I can say for the excal rp whores that set up 1 group teams on this server.

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by Freia
Well yes but I was focusing on why people deliberately zerg.

And I guess I better clarify this: If you read the points 1-6 one more time you will find that behind the sacrasm there are sollutions that may help decrease the zerging over time. The final conclution weights much much much less than the rest of the post.

I've reread your original post, points 1-6 as you say, and cant find anything behind the sarcasm that would assist reducing the zerg. Unless you come from an RvR guild you cannot except in rare cirmcumstances form a true balanced group from people porting into the PK. You cant expect people to sit at the PK all day waiting or play an alt just for a chance to form an ideal group. They make do with what is available to them, unfortunately a biproduct of this they do bunch together for added security.

The zerg in some way or form will often be out, but for you to call them noobs, or be detrimental to them is somewhat shortsighted as they are making the most they can out of their current circumstances within the game.

 

[Grymlina]

/me PA Derric and steal cookie and go hide in Mjollnair !

 

[j000 d000d]

More conclutions!!!.... i mean... err.... conclusions....

 

[mid_Efour]

i can tolertae zerg vs zerg..... sometimes its quite a buzz to be one of the few men alive at the end of it....Even in zergs theres individual fights which are 1 on 1 and fun and sometimes due to the chaotic nature more fun?

is it fun in 1fg vs 1fg to be mezzed/anihilated(stunned) and then nuked of the face of the earth during stun? (must be worse for albs/hibs to be pbaoed while stunned by us middys)

what i Truley hate is being Steam Rollered as ill call it, Soloing away maybe 1 on 1 fight then another XXX enemies turn up and also chip in there spells/beatdowns... This is another issue entirely, but like falcon says being rolled over by 8x more players than you is pure frustration.

I know myself if i stumble across a 1 on 1 which i supprisingly do alot i watch for 5 or so seconds to see if my relam mate needs help. Its my way of playing KoS isnt my style i prefer to /dance /cheer then fight.

Dont get me wrong Id appreciate help if it was me getting whooped but next time your FG comes across 1 guy just 1 of u fught him for 20 seconds :O) then wipe him out if need be cos u r scared of his mates coming or stealthed buddies.

 

[Qte Eth]

"which is more than I can say for the excal rp whores that set up 1 group teams on this server."

nice attitude m8,i think it can be read quite easy whom u so kindly call so nicely

hope u feel better after uve said that, gl

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
"which is more than I can say for the excal rp whores that set up 1 group teams on this server."

nice attitude m8,i think it can be read quite easy whom u so kindly call so nicely

hope u feel better after uve said that, gl

I did, thankyouverymuch

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by mid_Efour
Dont get me wrong Id appreciate help if it was me getting whooped but next time your FG comes across 1 guy just 1 of u fught him for 20 seconds :O) then wipe him out if need be cos u r scared of his mates coming or stealthed buddies.

Ran into a bunch of LoE peeps the other week.. thinking they were just gonna "steam roll me", but I managed to geta really nice duel... against a sword n' board armsman, I have no chance tho