Computer crashing shortly after logged in to daoc.

[Kinag]

Well, as the topic says, My computer shuts down shortly after I've logged onto daoc, and it makes some sort of beeping sound Oo

I've checked that my graphic card (Geforce 4 TI4200) has the latest driver available and I've checked the fans to see that they are working properly, and they were.

Now, Due to the beeping I would automatically assume it's the fans, but they are working correctly, and it's quite cold in the room so it shouldn't get overheated (two chassis fans and one cpu fan).

I am able to run Vampire: The Masquerade - bloodlines without any problems.

My brother thought it might be the graphic card, I thought it might have something to do with my harddisk as it's 4 years old, and Sycho thought it would be the power supply, but it's fairly new as It's not that many months since I bought and buildt my own computer.

Anyone experienced this type of problems before or may know what I can do to fix it? it's quite annoying.

Only time I've had it before was when I installed Football Manager 2005, it crashed all the time and the beeping sound came, then CM03/04 started doing the same, and now DAoC >_<

It's not a virus neither, as I've had a full scan on my system with Norton, and it's fully updated.

Thanks,

Kinag.

 

[frogster]

With the beeping i cant think of anything else other than a heat issue, and a CPU heat issue at that.
Ive never had a GPU that overheated and then beeped at me, they usually just cause reboot.
Might be worth checking your bios manual, too see if it gives any clues as to what the beeps mean.

Othewise:
In your bios, check to see that you havent set the CPU overrheat shutdown temperature too low. I wouldnt recommend setting it too high or disabling it, as if it is the problem, a melted CPU isnt worth the extra 10 minutes in game you'll get :x
If its ok, i'd recommend removing your CPU heat sink and reapplying a fresh coat of thermal paste. If yours has dried out, you wont get the same level of thermal transfer.

 

[Kinag]

Thanks for your time Frogster.

I've checked the manual, and according to it, this is a temperature problem.

From what I read, it's shutting down to prevent cpu-overheating, and then it will give away some kind of noise/alarm to hint you to the overheating part.

Now, here's the thing I don't understand.

I got 1 cpu-fan, 2 chassis-fans, and it's pretty chilly in my room (which I would think could affect this matter), why would the cpu overheat? and why would it overheat during DAoC, and not during Vampire: The masquerade - bloodlines, the last mentioned is a lot more complicated game imo.

 

[Daedalus]

Are there any entries in the event log?

 

[Kinag]

I just checked that now, and I couldn't find anything special about it. It was just keeping track on the program load-ups etc.

Couldn't find anything about the crashing :-/

 

[Kinag]

Well, I downloaded a program which will make it easier for me to keep a track of the fans etc. And this is what It showed after my computer shutdown (and the beeping sound came up) and I logged on again to see if there were any heat problems.

Notice that it says that one CHAFAN is off, but both chassis fans I got is fully functional (stuck my hand in to check if they were blowing).

A friend which knows alot about computers said that they were not connected to the motherboard in a way so that the bios/program could not measure their rpm etc. and that it was non-important unless I wanted it to measure them.

PS: Taken a few minutes after the shutdown.

 

[frogster]

Thanks for your time Frogster.

I've checked the manual, and according to it, this is a temperature problem.

From what I read, it's shutting down to prevent cpu-overheating, and then it will give away some kind of noise/alarm to hint you to the overheating part.

Now, here's the thing I don't understand.

I got 1 cpu-fan, 2 chassis-fans, and it's pretty chilly in my room (which I would think could affect this matter), why would the cpu overheat? and why would it overheat during DAoC, and not during Vampire: The masquerade - bloodlines, the last mentioned is a lot more complicated game imo.

You could have all the cooling in the world, but unless you have good thermal contact/transfer between your CPU and its cooler, its going to overheat.
The confusing part is why it only overheats whilst playing Bloodlines, as having played both, i wouldnt have thought DAoC was that much more processor intensive.
You dont mention what your CPU is, but 59C seems a little high for idle.
I wouldnt worry about your Chassis fans tho, they are probably connected directly to your power supply and not your motherboards fan connector where its able to read the rpm.
Did you check your bios to check whether cpu overheat temperature was set too low?

 

[Kinag]

You could have all the cooling in the world, but unless you have good thermal contact/transfer between your CPU and its cooler, its going to overheat.
The confusing part is why it only overheats whilst playing Bloodlines, as having played both, i wouldnt have thought DAoC was that much more processor intensive.
You dont mention what your CPU is, but 59C seems a little high for idle.
I wouldnt worry about your Chassis fans tho, they are probably connected directly to your power supply and not your motherboards fan connector where its able to read the rpm.
Did you check your bios to check whether cpu overheat temperature was set too low?

First of all, it does shut down during both, just happened now with bloodlines daoc is what I'm most worried about, started to get a love for camlann

anyway, I'm having a friend come over to check the cpu fan and perhaps apply some new cooler paste to the cpu..

The shutdown temperature is 70 degrees btw, so it's not exactly low, 70 or 75..

my friend reacted to why it's so hot when it's idle as well, and especially since I got my window open and the chassis open (and hell, I live on norway and you can guess the temperature outside in december)..

 

[Urme the Legend]

(and hell, I live on norway and you can guess the temperature outside in december)..

Do you have the computer outside?

 

[Kinag]

Of course, what would you think?

No, I got my window up, and well, it's pretty chilly in my room (I like it that way)

My friend put on some new cooling paste, and it's on 55 degrees now, being idle and all, still high He said I should get a new CPU fan, anyone agree?

 

[Neffneff]

Would definately be the first course of action...would help btw to know what CPU you are running.

whatever you do though..upgrading heatsink/fans is always a good idea to help a PC run well and even quieter (as long as you keep away from cheapy screamers)

If you get a decent heatsink.fan on there and still get high temperatures (under load is the one you need to check..ie alt tab from daoc and check to cpu temp at that point) might have a dodgy cpu and should take it back to the shop asap if taht's the case.

 

[frogster]

First of all, it does shut down during both, just happened now with bloodlines daoc is what I'm most worried about, started to get a love for camlann

anyway, I'm having a friend come over to check the cpu fan and perhaps apply some new cooler paste to the cpu..

The shutdown temperature is 70 degrees btw, so it's not exactly low, 70 or 75..

my friend reacted to why it's so hot when it's idle as well, and especially since I got my window open and the chassis open (and hell, I live on norway and you can guess the temperature outside in december)..

Your CPU is overheating. Only just noticed your CPU coolers RPM's. Unless you are running a Zalman or something along those lines, it should be nearer 3k
Id definately go with the thermal paste, but your cooler might be on the way out.
This is a CPU overheating problem... no doubt about it, only doubt there was is because you implied it never happened in Bloodlines.
Either your cpu fan is on its way out, or, the termal connection between the 2 has dried out. (Or you accidently overclocked it Oo)
And with regards to your misconception about ambient temperature? You can still boil a kettle in norway this time of year right? Just might take a little longer...

 

[old.Whoodoo]

I agree, your CPU fan is your main problem, its running way too slow. You dont mention your processor type, but normally standard Pentium and AMD fans run at 4,000 rpm, mine goes faster the hotter it gets up to 5.5k rpm.

Dont know where you are, but Id suggest looking here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_CPU_Coolers_1.html

I would also look into your PSU, all your voltages seem remarkably low too.

 

[Kinag]

I got a AMD XP2500+ processor.

And I'm ordering a fan now, just want to know what you guys think of it first.

Cooler Master JET 7+ AMD Cooler ACB-V83-U1 for AMD XP3200+ CPU and higher

That one, 1900-3500 rpm.

Should work I think, I'm not that good when it comes to hardware so

Anything else I should get?

PS: The one CPU fan I got now is: EKL Blade XP Controlled CPU-cooler Socket A, Up to AMD XP3200+ - 4300 rpm Oo, weird it's only running that slow though.

 

[frogster]

Im dont know about that processor but a quick google check suggests an ok review of aroun 7/10

Personally, ive always had zalman coolers, cos they rock my socks

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Zalman_121.html

 

[Ballard]

I got a AMD XP2500+ processor.

And I'm ordering a fan now, just want to know what you guys think of it first.

Cooler Master JET 7+ AMD Cooler ACB-V83-U1 for AMD XP3200+ CPU and higher

That one, 1900-3500 rpm.

Should work I think, I'm not that good when it comes to hardware so

Anything else I should get?

PS: The one CPU fan I got now is: EKL Blade XP Controlled CPU-cooler Socket A, Up to AMD XP3200+ - 4300 rpm Oo, weird it's only running that slow though.

If your power supply is not up to scratch and/or the cable is badly connected to the fan, the fan may not run at optimal speeds.

Im not familiar with the above software (screenshot) you are using or an expert myself having just got interested after my own recent problems but there seems to be a lot of variance on your power rails. Are the limits user set or is that a measure of what has happened while the software has been running? If its the latter from what ive heard the variance should only be about 5% you llok to be getting 10% on some of the rails.

Even running a non-fancy cheap fan your cpu should definetly not get that hot. Ive got a cheapish CPU fan and my AMD3000XP temperature goes between 42-50 degrees depending on load. Before I got a new PSU it was running at up to 58ish degrees.

 

[Thorwyn]

Before you buy it, check how heavy this thing is. Every CPU fan > 500g is a risk. You wouldn´t want to see how it looks to have a CPU fan crashing down your mainboard all the way to the bottom.

 

[Kinag]

490g Guess I'll have to find a new one then

 

[Thorwyn]

err... nono, I said every fan > is a risk. 490 is fine.

 

[Kinag]

I bought a fan similiar to the one above or, I ordered it, a christmas present from my bro ^^

It's of cobber too, and it "blows" the same way as the fan in the picture above