Common beliefs vs. actual data

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amazingsteve

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Originally posted by dr_doctor
FOTM=Overpowered dorks with to much time.
Savages should be powerful because we got shite RA's, hence we need to compensate for it.
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shite RA´s? hahahahahahahahahahahaha ur the only light tank with pure tank RAs so FO
 
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)nick(

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Originally posted by Tasos
Matt...zerkers do same damage as merces?are u dreaming?
merc hits twice as fast for same damage+200 dam DD every 2 mins? :x
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Wtf?
 
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Nonnier

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Originally posted by dr_doctor
FOTM=Overpowered dorks with to much time.
Savages should be powerful because we got shite RA's, hence we need to compensate for it.
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erm...ur RAs are the main reason why savages are overpowered m8 :)
 
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Pin

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Wow. What a comprehensive analysis we have here....

Try here for the data you actually wanted:

http://daoc.gamescape.com/handler.c...ssID=berserkr&classID=mercenry&classID=savage

Or even here for the data across all servers:

http://daoc.gamescape.com/handler.c...ssID=berserkr&classID=mercenry&classID=savage


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What we see there is:

1. "Weak" mercenaries gaining half the RPs of Savages last week.

2. "Overpowered" savages making roughly double rp's last week as "underpowered" mercenaries.

3. Currnently "OK" and formerly "overpowered" berserkers making roughly 60% rp's last week of mercenaries and 30% of savages while having 148% of total rp's of mercenaries (and they've all re-rolled savages, so these are mostly idling chars).

:m00:
 
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klavrynd

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Common beliefs

Random albs suck
High RR albs with the necessary tools run godmode

Actual data

Random albs still suck, but mainly because they spend more time whining on vnboards to get mids nerfed so they can compete on the same level, rather then play and get some "i win" ra's
 
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old.mattshanes

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What kalgarn said seems to be what's happening in midgard at the moment, tasos several zerks on prydwen who still played after the LA nerf have hit me 250+ mainhand oftenly at my speed(228 qui or so buffed) which is good damage.But as kalgarn said for zerks it seems very hard for them to get groups now due to savages which is also happening on excal server.

Also if a light tank uses positonals a lot they do better damage of course xD
 
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klavrynd

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Also if a light tank uses positonals a lot they do better damage of course xD
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tried the backpos chain on qte once, approx 170 damage on all three styles, cried and logged off

uber damage (oh i forgot the supercalifragilisticexpialidocious 40 dmg cold proc)
 
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old.mattshanes

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I wouldn't mind doing a test with a zerk on pryd if they wish to, maybe can see difference then in damage with each others stats and speed of weapons etc.

Klavrynd what speed weapons?was that 170 all the time?because every light tank gets around 20% or so damage variance no matter what spec they are.Also where you 50/50/28?
 
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klavrynd

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that's with a base qui (50) template, 4.2 double bladed and 2.4 hand axe (99%) and 68 axe/laxe
 
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razorboy

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You can prove everything you want with statistics, mkay?
 
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old.Emma

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Originally posted by kalgarn
actually zerkers stopped playing their zerk because they coulden't get groups anymore,not because they felt they were gimped.wich is pretty normal,if there is a lighttank class in your realm that's better in all ways then your class it's obvious that people will pick the other class over yours.
but ofc this aint right,all zerkers who rolled a savage did this because they are lame and are fotm hoppers... :rolleyes:
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dammit i knew i rolled my zerker at the wrong time :/

should have been Zerker then Savage to qualify as fotm :( not Savage then Zerker :(
 
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klavrynd

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like that only 5% of the us servers does not have a guild called tuatha de danaan or something similar (1 in 20-mordred) ?
 
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old.windforce

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original poster is stupid to think he could proof anything with bullshit figures
 
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old.Hardbein

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U guys seem very focused on the actual dmg each class do. But try and see the total picture here. In a set 1fg vs. 1fg senario, mids have to face uber RAs that makes target escape and get uber melee resist.

Yes I do agree mid tanks > alb tanks (in pur melee)....but alb doesnt have to face SOS/BoF - combo. Yes mid have AE stunn/AE mezz (insta) but how long does that "stuff" stick on alb tanks? zip, nada.....capish ! As a healer, only CC spell that can have "some " effect is castable mezz. Yes I can interupt alb support, but thats about it. Casting instaspells is just handing out free CC immunity.

Yes PR is nice, but the PRed target is what? A PRed healer has full pow yes, and is handy. But its also unbuffed, wich means ~500 less hp, ~150 less dex (casting time equal to eternity). How hard can it be to see an unbuffed healer about to cast a spell and interupt it ? Its easy! How hard is it to kill a target with 1400hp? Its easy and takes 1-2 sec for an assist-train. A PRed healer/shamn can do nothing than recast endu (sham) and heal(healer). CC is almost pointless coz SoS is still up and alb tanks will still have imunity due to det4+ tanks.

Try and see the dilemma from own experience.....its damn hard beeing mid atm, and it will get worse (1.65). But we'll just have to find albs weak spot and try again...but that aint many ;)
 
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dr_doctor

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Originally posted by amazingsteve
shite RA´s? hahahahahahahahahahahaha ur the only light tank with pure tank RAs so FO
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Get a clue paleman. Was talking Midgard in general, you 'chose' to ignore that i guess.
 
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Ahqmae

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---> its damn hard beeing mid atm, and it will get worse <---

Try playing a hib against a fotm-grp, then comment on what's hard.

To be honest, most of the people posting in this thread have ignored the hib vs mid issue. We don't have any good (no, DoTV is teh suck and on a hybrid) dmg-reducing RAs to play with, and as so savages will rip you a new one all the time.

Sucky but true - argue all you want to about overpowered GP (rofl...), BAoD and chanters.

Midgard vs Hibernia, it ain't hard to point out who has the easy-mode.
 
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Pin

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Originally posted by old.Emma
just for kicks ;p now that Pin has shown me a new toy to play with ;p

Infil/SB/NS rp`s gained over all servers.

SB/Infil/NS RP's Gained

Infil/SB/NS Population lvl 5 - 50 across all servers.

SB/Infil/NS Population
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Yup, the RP amounts are very similar, once you consider the population difference. And that could be something to do with the realm populations in general, as:

http://daoc.gamescape.com/handler.c...ealmID=all&minLevel=5&maxLevel=50&classID=all

shows the same ratios.
 
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razorboy

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Originally posted by klavrynd
like that only 5% of the us servers does not have a guild called tuatha de danaan or something similar (1 in 20-mordred) ?
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:rolleyes:
 
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amazingsteve

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Originally posted by dr_doctor
Get a clue paleman. Was talking Midgard in general, you 'chose' to ignore that i guess.
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In the way you put it, you said that Savages have shite RA´s, so right back at ya, tinybrain
 
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Aarweenie

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oki... to all those that compares RPs with how good the class is...


take a look on this top10...

1 Mistwraith Enchanter 50 12,657,754 Lancelot
2 Florizzare MageNoir Eldritch 50 12,593,006 Broceliande
3 Zerberusx Thane 50 12,453,643 Avalon
4 Echoic Skald 50 11,673,883 Iseult
5 Torid Healer 50 11,632,317 Iseult
6 Misto Auroxum Thane 50 10,359,756 Avalon
7 Lucilez Mastaah Skald 50 10,141,959 Broceliande
8 Siskuz Enchanter 50 9,937,927 Bedevere
9 Aura Druid 50 9,933,578 Bedevere
10 Bernold GreenBoots Shadowblade 50 9,930,656 Broceliande


here can we clearly see that apart from Eldrich and Enchanter, Thane is the most overpowered class in the game, followed up by skald...


conclution: you can't compare RPs with the utility of a class
 
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