Charming Menta!

[Fauve]

Im thinking to make a menta aswell till 50 and for final specc to have something difriend ( hope) . Have anyone tried to specc all his point to light till the last charm and the rest on mana? It works? If you have time ..shoot some tips and opinions...

PS: Dont tell me : Go and make this char specc on a site.. i want to talk about it

C ya

 

[old.Tzeentch]

no point to spec the last charm because it does nothing the previous charms dont do.. except consume more power.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
no point to spec the last charm because it does nothing the previous charms dont do.. except consume more power.

wow is that true? I thought it let you charm higher mobs (or is that just what its supposed to do....)?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

the lowest level charm charms humanoid mobs if i remember correct.. and thats a level 4.. or 7? or something spell.. anyway, but you can charm whatever humanoid mob you want cus charming is dependant on- your lvl, level of light spec (base spec, +items/rr), and level of enemy mob

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
the lowest level charm charms humanoid mobs if i remember correct.. and thats a level 4.. or 7? or something spell.. anyway, but you can charm whatever humanoid mob you want cus charming is dependant on- your lvl, level of light spec (base spec, +items/rr), and level of enemy mob

yeah, looking at the herald the last charm doesnt seem to do much, but speccing 50 would increase your light spec total, which is the factor in determining what level mobs you can charm? So a 50 light spec would be able to charm higher mobs , although using the 50 spec charm would be pointless? is that right?

 

[Lilla]

It got changed in 1.62 or something.
Previously the last 2 charms didn't do anything,
now charm 5 charms undead and charm 6 (the last one) can charm any type of mob.

The power usage of charms dropped a bit too, so you can actually manage a charm 6 now

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
yeah, looking at the herald the last charm doesnt seem to do much, but speccing 50 would increase your light spec total, which is the factor in determining what level mobs you can charm? So a 50 light spec would be able to charm higher mobs , although using the 50 spec charm would be pointless? is that right?

yeah, pretty much.. tho i havent played a ment in ages so i would listen to above poster ;p

but yes thats how charm works.

not worth it to put the points 45-50 spec to get that little little extra chance for the mob not to resist i think.

 

[VodkaFairy]

charming mindworms is nice tho

 

[old.chipper]

aye with last charm you can charm all but named mobs and with mr 3 and serenity 2 i can keep it balanced so power doesnt go down unless i nuke etc

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
charming mindworms is nice tho

hehe you know your in a bad rvr grp when a mindworm takes out half your support

 

[Thorinn]

They changed the mana cost on charm in 1.62. so now the last charm is np to use. And it's even better now because after they changed it, it can charm nearly any type of mob.

Im at 48 light / 24 mana, and have no prob holding 51+ mobs, and a ice strider can be nice in an rvr grp too

 

[old.Kerosene]

Just out of interest, what is the reason for menty's having to use power to charm a mob and mincers not using any power?

 

[sharon_corr]

Mincers need to play the flute to charm... ie no weapons/shield while charming... and no other songs also.
And sorcs... well, they are so gimped they just _had_ to give them the charm-anything-anywhere spell

 

[Shrye]

Mincers has to use an instrument to charm/keep up the pulse, mentas uses spells/power.

 

[old.Gobarnachta]

Problem with menta charm is gimped range (1500) and if you want to be able to charm any mob you really gotta go high in light to get purple charm otherwise I'd go 46 mana 4 light 28 ment and still be able to get green con humanoids.

 

[drungan]

wanted to test this on gorre, but we didn't get the exc db :/

atm i got 45+15, charms lvl53 stable (i.e 1hour+ w/o major resists, didn't work that good with 45+14, lvl 52 it was then). think i hit some barrier with rr5

yeah, now it's charm6= all (except named ones and stuff). cambions give a nice look for instance, tho charm 4+ still drians mmuchos of mana with mr3 + seren2, which means, handling charm4+ in rvr with nuking and all that stuff brings you kinda fast to a hero manabar

wonder if 65 light means stable 54ers and 70 light is stable 55ers, which would be low red finally.

and yeah, i was able to charm lvl 59 mobs already (purp) but what is the use of the mob which keeps you more busy with running away from it than having it tank or anything.

btw, the area around AF is perfect to test out highlevel mobs and charm, all there from 50 to 60

 

[Spamb0t]

Originally posted by sharon_corr
Mincers need to play the flute to charm... ie no weapons/shield while charming... and no other songs also.
And sorcs... well, they are so gimped they just _had_ to give them the charm-anything-anywhere spell

Originally posted by Shrye
Mincers has to use an instrument to charm/keep up the pulse, mentas uses spells/power.

wrong.

minstrels can wield whatever weapon/instument they want with a charmed pet... they dont use any instrument for it.. its an instacast spell.

 

[spankya]

Originally posted by Spamb0t
wrong.

minstrels can wield whatever weapon/instument they want with a charmed pet... they dont use any instrument for it.. its an instacast spell.

Yeah they have 2 types of charm, one insta, 1 with instrument. The insta one is cool, but u cant play an instrument whilst having a charmed mob or u lose the charm.

 

[Spamb0t]

minstrel only have 1 charm.. its a shout (insta).. and its a pulsecharm.
u cant play any other song with something charmed (unless u twist).
but u can fight or wield whatever instrument u want ;o

the last charm is called 'alluring melodies'.. please tell me the name of the other charm? cause my minstrel sure dont have it ;o

 

[Harm]

Modified spec level affects level of mob charmable.

1st spell: Humanoids
2nd spell: Humanoids/Animals
3rd spell: Humanoids/Animals/Insects
4th spell: Humanoids/Animals/Insects/Magical
5th spell: Humanoids/Animals/Insects/Magical/Undead
6th spell: All

So at e.g 45 light you'll be okay with charming mobs abit past lvl50 if I take it right.

 

[old.Kerosene]

Originally posted by Spamb0t
minstrel only have 1 charm.. its a shout (insta).. and its a pulsecharm.
u cant play any other song with something charmed (unless u twist).
but u can fight or wield whatever instrument u want ;o

the last charm is called 'alluring melodies'.. please tell me the name of the other charm? cause my minstrel sure dont have it ;o

100% correct. Which brings me back to my original point, why don't mentys get power free charm too? I'm not really accepting the method of charm as an answer. I know it's a pulsing shout on a mincer as opposed to a pulsing spell on a menty, but why? Why don't menty's get the pulsing shout too? Girly voices?

 

[drungan]

Originally posted by Harm
So at e.g 45 light you'll be okay with charming mobs abit past lvl50 if I take it right. [/B]

Just make sure, you max out your itembonus for light to +11, it makes quite some difference

and btw, level54 pet with bases+specs = TEH EVUL

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by drungan
Just make sure, you max out your itembonus for light to +11, it makes quite some difference

and btw, level54 pet with bases+specs = TEH EVUL

Ive been very impressed with what a high level buffed menta pet can do. Im laying my bets on light menta pets replacing chanter pets if the focus nerf is sufficient, after all underhills are blue con, menta pets can be orange+...

 

[Spamb0t]

uhm cant do any focus dmg shield on menta pet anyways.. soo... that wouldnt be of much use ;p

 

[drungan]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
Ive been very impressed with what a high level buffed menta pet can do. Im laying my bets on light menta pets replacing chanter pets if the focus nerf is sufficient, after all underhills are blue con, menta pets can be orange+...

It's all about you said in this other thread tho, the shields amke the dmg, this goes atleast for the highlvl mobs (i.e. galla and stuff).

i'd suppose a level 54 pet with a 50nurt buffs equals to a level 60-65 unbuffed mob, which means it should be able to tank vs. low/med purp. still have my doubts when it comes up to the 70s tho

i've been farming for a good while around AF with arbordons (lvl52 mainly, and it's a thread against ixthiar (blue/yellcon). i could take up to ten with ment/druid only i guess, by only hotting it with my level21 hot. it just takes ages to do the aggrocontrol vs. crowds.
as the normal dmg shield doesn't do very much dmg (better than nothing tho), you have to attack each mob manually 2-3times each, then you can nuke/dot away. compared to FS it's far away from being really safe tho

vs. single high level mobs i'm still lacking experience

 

[Auriel]

Originally posted by drungan
yeah, now it's charm6= all (except named ones and stuff).

Actually you can charm certain named mobs in the SI lands I had an orange con named treant from Altan Garran (the Outland Residents village) which had a champ insta nuke, and Galmar the named beach shrouder near Necht who's L50 - 51 ish and has dex debuff, nuke and lifetap Very cool if you can get them, but that's the main problem... you're limited to what's reasonably nearby.

 

[old.Filip]

100% correct. Which brings me back to my original point, why don't mentys get power free charm too? I'm not really accepting the method of charm as an answer. I know it's a pulsing shout on a mincer as opposed to a pulsing spell on a menty, but why? Why don't menty's get the pulsing shout too? Girly voices?

there is zillion of minsers in emain all with 50 instruments ... you dont see any of them use charmed pets on regulary basis ...

and that becuase the charm is a hell to use and having some stupid melee pet dont make up for beening able to use the minsers 439534543 others funny stuff..

dont worry the ments charm is better ..

(allso the kind of mobs minsers are able to charm is rather limitet)

 

[Spamb0t]

Originally posted by old.Filip
dont worry the ments charm is better ..

its not better.... just that menta's has less to do then a minstrel

 

[Auriel]

Originally posted by Spamb0t
its not better.... just that menta's has less to do then a minstrel

Which is a bit disturbing given which one is the pure caster of the two