Chanter spec for pure RVR

[Bladze]

like the title says:

Ive been toying with Chanter specs, PB is not the tool it used to be for RvR, I understand the benefits of the heat debuff at 49 mana BUT and its a big but this only leaves 22 left over for light. Doesnt that make your dmg variation a bit CRAAAAAAAAAZY!!

I was considering going 36 mana 40 light for the second best debuff and basically zero variation on baseline heat nuke. All you high RR experienced chanters out there are invited to post your thoughts.

Thanks in advance for your input.

 

[Elkie]

like the title says:

Ive been toying with Chanter specs, PB is not the tool it used to be for RvR, I understand the benefits of the heat debuff at 49 mana BUT and its a big but this only leaves 22 left over for light. Doesnt that make your dmg variation a bit CRAAAAAAAAAZY!!

I was considering going 36 mana 40 light for the second best debuff and basically zero variation on baseline heat nuke. All you high RR experienced chanters out there are invited to post your thoughts.

Thanks in advance for your input.

The damage difference you will see from 36 mana and 40 light is not big atal, no different from 49 mana 22 light.
Pb is very useful tool against easier groups grapple and pbaoe can win if they are out of range.

I cba to go into detail as staj will prob do that for you but some basics above

 

[Boni]

I respecced from full mana rest chantments to full mana rest light and ive been very impressed by the variance, was expecting it to be a lot worse than it is. With 10% piercing and a debuff on them base light does ok imo, and im only 20 light atm and very used to eld spec light DD.

 

[Lookdaddy]

After speaking to quite a few ppl i decided im gonna go 46 light 27 mana on my chanter.

 

[Elkie]

After speaking to quite a few ppl i decided im gonna go 46 light 27 mana on my chanter.

I think your makeing a huge mistake their. There is litrally nothing gained from going light spec. your better of with 49 mana 22 light but im not one to change your mind. I just think your makeing a mistake.

 

[Lookdaddy]

I think your makeing a huge mistake their. There is litrally nothing gained from going light spec. your better of with 49 mana 22 light but im not one to change your mind. I just think your makeing a mistake.

Well after speak to OTHER ppl i aint so sure about the whole light spec malarky now!!

 

[kiliarien]

Well after speak to OTHER ppl i aint so sure about the whole light spec malarky now!!

I respecced to 46 light 27 mana and so far I'm loving it, like the mana cost of the spec nuke being so low, the baseline nuke is expensive tbh. Still, as Elkie said all about what you like.

 

[Caewyns]

i actually prefer being mana base cause of the nukes but my m8 navalor is rr8 now and he really enjoys the light spec if you want contacted him in game and ask him.


but as every1 above said its ur choice m8 and it should be what make your gameplay happier. So i hope this help u a bit

 

[Vulcan]

As a chanter I played light specc till RR8, switched to mana back then because groups were hard to find using the 46 light 27 mana specc. I played to RR10 then switched back to light.

Its all different now, I ended my playing career with Vulcan specced light and I loved it, I always thought mana specc was easy mode with a good bard & before Banelords.

Ask yourself one question, how many times do you use PB in fg rvr over a week and then make your mind up from that, most kills in rvr these days is ranged, you have a half decent self heat debuff, you save huge amounts on mana, and if grouped with a mana chanter the dmg is insane.

Im sure not all if any will agree but each to there own, I personally always prefered light specc over mana. It never harmed my lwrp xD

 

[Elkie]

As a chanter I played light specc till RR8, switched to mana back then because groups were hard to find using the 46 light 27 mana specc. I played to RR10 then switched back to light.

Its all different now, I ended my playing career with Vulcan specced light and I loved it, I always thought mana specc was easy mode with a good bard & before Banelords.

Ask yourself one question, how many times do you use PB in fg rvr over a week and then make your mind up from that, most kills in rvr these days is ranged, you have a half decent self heat debuff, you save huge amounts on mana, and if grouped with a mana chanter the dmg is insane.

Im sure not all if any will agree but each to there own, I personally always prefered light specc over mana. It never harmed my lwrp xD

Yes but the varience beetween light spec nuke with blue debuff and base line nuke with purple debuff is virtuallly next to nothing. The damage boost really is not that much. Takeing to consideration that mana line holds opertunitys for the chanter to:

High matter debuff
High cold debuff
High pbaoe <wich in some cases can be very usefull in rvr even thoe some of you might not know it


Among other things. But yes vulcan you ofcourse say that the game for chanter is now more ranged I cant agree more by time an enemy group is inc example maelstrom im barely in los for their casters to even try to nuke me, and ofcourse im rarely in banelord range with the new bl patch < as i mainly play super defensive. But its down to preference I personally dont think the damage varies atal beetween the two specs. Ok if you assisting another chanter has mana spec, say no more but why waiste another group spot on another enchanter unles your both rr9+


And in terms of power useage lol, tbh I never run out of mana or is extremly rare on my enchanter in fights, or even zerg fight and ive only got mcl1.

Sash
Mordoms
Cl/tart
Pots (really only use these after nukeing 1-2 people down on inc in fight)
Other casters in group sash
mcl

 

[Gibs]

At RR5 i tried both specs on my chanter, all stats capped.

Mana spec, base nuke with the red debuff i was hitting anywhere between 350 and 500. Then the pbae there in backup if needed in a tower/keep or against grappled enemy. Also the pve farm for artifacts etc when needed.

Light spec. With the blue debuff i was consistantly hitting around 450 dmg. Nothing else really useful in this line except the insta dps debuff.
However, in a fg assisting a mana chanter with red debuff, the dps is some crazy figure. But then again light menta is preferred to light chanter nowadays if they want someone to assist a debuffer, although not many mentas around. I did notice a lot less power usage in light spec.

Hope this helps.

 

[Stallion]

Well you all have valid points, but first of why should you get an invite to a group (if they wanna be optimized) when they can pick elds. Mana enchanters only really stand out if mana speced, other then that your quite useless when they can get the same damage output with additional red NS, d/q debuff, base dex debuff, ae disease, ae str/con debuff from an eld.

First off about the power consumption, yes your drain alot more mana but your damage also is more extreme. But if you get a decent template with +40% pp and some stuff like Elkie posted above, you wont have any problems. I even run with MCL1. You wont have problems with power with the tools that has been introduced with ToA and DR.
About the benefits with mana, well first off you can basicly increase alot of damage in whatever group your gonna be in, please note light has its better sides if your thinking about solo spec. But I assume from the discussion above you wanna group up? You have cold debuff for whatever elds you'r gonna group with, me and Vodkafairy stopped using this thou since we lost a tiny bit to much time and I had a easier time picking next target after debuff landed. And you had the speed increase described below. So the big deal is actully the heat debuff with both mentas (rox for fg rvr as 3rd caster fyi), elds and other enchanters beeing able to assist upon, increasing damage alot. Even as light enchanter you will suffer heavy against 50% resists with a blue debuff due to resists of the debuff, not beeing very reliable. First thing to get as a mana chanter is ofc MoF1. Second the base nuke is 0,2 sec faster, that 7,1%.

What most people dont understand is that once you hit the 3/4 (was previously 2/3) of your level in a spell like, for damage nukes your variance will decrease dramaticly. So yes you will be crying your heart out at start when you only have 22+11, but with higher realmrank, around rr5-rr6 you will notice improvement of your variance, the higher you get the less it will become. I can tell you that with and Vf assisting me with aprox 65-67 modified light, and me with 44 modified light, we basicly nuke for the same
damage.

If you would find lets say a PD5 BaoD 3 Bd stuck on your as, I will stil argue for that all group oriented tanks should have atleast 1 x 99% qual matter leggie. Call for assist from tanks and do a QC matter debuff, solves the problems 90% of the time. (Hi Brite).

With the introduction of slam on Wardens, having the pbae is something that grown to become even more usefull. Even thou you use the range spells more often, this is something you dont wanna lose.

Regarding the dps debuff, yes it works once again, myself I dont use it, but going light for the argument to have a decreased resist rate on the spell in order to interrupt people aint really a good one.

Conclusion: wanna be light? *delete* and roll an eld. Else stay with the class. Enchanters, cabalists and runemasters is a break it or make it class for most groups out there that wanna compete.

 

[Arthuria]

if i want a chanter i want it for the debuffs for other casters, if i want dmg id get a mentalist with demezz and ae nuke, or a eldritch instead

 

[Stallion]

if i want a chanter i want it for the debuffs for other casters, if i want dmg id get a mentalist with demezz and ae nuke, or a eldritch instead

well that statement is kinda wrong, enchanters damage > elds / mentas / bainshees.

You can make their damage > yours, but if you compare 1 against another without helping eachother, the enchanter wins.

 

[Elkie]

if i want a chanter i want it for the debuffs for other casters, if i want dmg id get a mentalist with demezz and ae nuke, or a eldritch instead

Just so you know faril chanter is the 2nd best damage dealing caster in the game next to cabbys

Staj makes viable points just basically way more detail than what I said. Light spec is way over rated and as above if want light spec make eld or menta <3.

 

[Arthuria]

well that statement is kinda wrong, enchanters damage > elds / mentas / bainshees.

You can make their damage > yours, but if you compare 1 against another without helping eachother, the enchanter wins.

thats not what i ment, i ment that id rather take a eldritch or mentalist, instead of a chanter WITHOUT debuffs, because they have more utility.

 

[Lookdaddy]

Well, listening to ppls arguements i have come to the conclusion that i will stick with the 49 mana 22 light that i have atm.

Hope that 21% power pool along with JS, CL weapon MCL2 (when i get enough RSP) and power pots that power wont be too much of an issue for me.

 

[Arthuria]

Well, listening to ppls arguements i have come to the conclusion that i will stick with the 49 mana 22 light that i have atm.

Hope that 21% power pool along with JS, CL weapon MCL2 (when i get enough RSP) and power pots that power wont be too much of an issue for me.

21% powerpool is not even anywhere close enough, id get 35%+ atleast

 

[Stallion]

21% powerpool is not even anywhere close enough, id get 35%+ atleast

it okay but then you hav to get mcl2,

 

[Lookdaddy]

21% powerpool is not even anywhere close enough, id get 35%+ atleast

Kinda hard to get 35%+ into a template when im on a limited budget tho , or at least i found it hard.

 

[Arthuria]

it okay but then you hav to get mcl2,

rather use thoes 10 points on increasing some passive to step4, or getting a whole new path to step 3 though And having a chanter, farming money shouldnt be that much of a problem? or items for that sake, you can farm choker/cloak of the zephyr np with chanter+bb

 

[Kaun_IA]

mana chanter will out dmg light chanter all i need to know when speccing a chanter for rvr

 

[Rst]

as i mainly play super defensive>

And in terms of power useage lol, tbh I never run out of mana or is extremly rare on my enchanter in fights, or even zerg fight and ive only got mcl1.

Your arguement dosent make sence, an Enchanter isnt made for defence its a pure dmg dealer, your mana specc is wasted if your range nuking in defence.
I see what vucan means with most fights being range these days, theres no point being mana specc unless ofc your bombing gates, being a debuffbot for a light Eld, or heavily into pve.
Mana specc in todays daoc is situational at the very least, it had its place in OF but imho its overatted in todays style of play.

Ive played in groups where vulcan & prodical were assisting each other & and no tank can take more than 4 nukes on inc & i gotta say not seen many do it better than those two.

But i guess each to there own, this light v mana isnt anything new in any discussion.

 

[Stallion]

Your arguement dosent make sence, an Enchanter isnt made for defence its a pure dmg dealer, your mana specc is wasted if your range nuking in defence.
I see what vucan means with most fights being range these days, theres no point being mana specc unless ofc your bombing gates, being a debuffbot for a light Eld, or heavily into pve.
Mana specc in todays daoc is situational at the very least, it had its place in OF but imho its overatted in todays style of play.

Ive played in groups where vulcan & prodical were assisting each other & and no tank can take more than 4 nukes on inc & i gotta say not seen many do it better than those two.

But i guess each to there own, this light v mana isnt anything new in any discussion.

Well I think your twisting his and your own words, your post is kinda without any good point. Casters do generaly speaking play defensive on cluster, you stay back and help with pets and coordinate damage on BL dumping tanks. This is what he means by defensive. I can bet you on my account, that my damage is far better then Vulcans damage on a 50% resist target if we were the same RR. We are close to same RR so this can be tested. And Prodicals damage will be far better then Vulcans damage even if he is low rr if they would nuke on seperate targets.

What im saying is that mana is even if you think a traditional pbae spec, way better then lightspec on a ranged basis. You could even ditch the pbae spell, and I would stil argue the mana spec is better.

I just raised my eyebrows when you noted that 2 chanters are assisting eachother. Why on earth would you want 2 enchanters with 1 lightspec when you can get the same benefit from another caster with 500% (exageration) more utility as an eld has. It just says 'SHIT' without even digging deeping into it.

And no, the light / mana discussion is not a new subject, strange that some ppl stil stay with light. But people may do as they like, and if I can become a epeen cow, that also has its results in rvr.

 

[Vulcan]

I can bet you on my account, that my damage is far better then Vulcans damage on a 50% resist target if we were the same RR. We are close to same RR so this can be tested.

Actually Stajj you cant test it. Vulcs account is closed and it stays closed xD

I replied to the thread starter as he asked for higher RR chanters opinions. I stated my opinion as I probably played a light chanter more than anyone nothing more. I called it as I saw it, I enjoyed the light specc when playing and thats all that really matters.

I dont think the thread starter wanted a huge discussion about whos right or wrong was my opinon nothing more, and opinions are like bumholes everyones got one. Dosnt make anyone of us right or wrong its what fun you get out of it after all its what we all pay for

 

[Stallion]

Actually Stajj you cant test it. Vulcs account is closed and it stays closed xD

I replied to the thread starter as he asked for higher RR chanters opinions. I stated my opinion as I probably played a light chanter more than anyone nothing more. I called it as I saw it, I enjoyed the light specc when playing and thats all that really matters.

I dont think the thread starter wanted a huge discussion about whos right or wrong was my opinon nothing more, and opinions are like bumholes everyones got one. Dosnt make anyone of us right or wrong its what fun you get out of it after all its what we all pay for

I fully agree, but since it comes to two different ways of doing so, one is always better. Thats what im arguing for, nothing else. And ofc we all play as we like aslong as we have fun, never questioned that. But speaking of efficency I cant see Light beeing the way.

 

[Vulcan]

I fully agree, but since it comes to two different ways of doing so, one is always better. Thats what im arguing for, nothing else. And ofc we all play as we like aslong as we have fun, never questioned that. But speaking of efficency I cant see Light beeing the way.

Well I never stated light was better, but if you take the thread starters original statement of PB being not the tool it used to be, then I have to agree hes right, hence why I stated "Ask yourself one question, how many times do you use PB in fg rvr over a week", that should have answered his question.
From personal experience before I retired Vulc I spent more time nuking at range than PBing so from my pov & a power pov light (and vulcs temp had over 40% pp) at that time was the better specc

 

[Sarumann]

just roll a wizard and out damage all other casterS`??

 

[Sarumann]

Just so you know faril chanter is the 2nd best damage dealing caster in the game next to cabbys

Staj makes viable points just basically way more detail than what I said. Light spec is way over rated and as above if want light spec make eld or menta <3.

Cabby delve nuke is same as enchanters only difference is that cabby is lajf tap

 

[Elkie]

Your arguement dosent make sence, an Enchanter isnt made for defence its a pure dmg dealer

You dont think I know that its a pure dmg dealer? I play casters quite differently to others my idea is to when you see a group inc kite till your barely in their los view then I come in and still play very defensive and drop tanks like pigs (if tank groups ofcourse) Thats what i mean by defensive, if I go back to about a year and a bit ago where I was worst chanter on server I would prob be in the middle of the fight, im hopeing that you dont mean I should not play defensive and go in the middle of fights and try to nuke stuff, then die like a pig