Chanter pet buffs.

[boni_ofdavoid]

I would be interested to know if anyone else has done any tests with buffs+pets etc to find out what realy does and does not work for a good focus pull.

I did some fairly scientific tests with a ns and her buffbot (thanks lexie/lexies), and came to the following conclusions that I think are FACT enjoy...

a). Ally takes less damage than compatriot. Ally > compatriot.

This is weird and something I wasnt expecting, I leveled with the impression that the compatriot was a tank and would tank better. The compartiot has its own AF buff (which doesnt stack with the baseline AF buff), so I was expecting it to do better buffless, it didnt, the ally took less damage per hit, even though it has no self AF buff. Of course the ally did better still with a baseline AF buff!

b). Con buffs.

Most people know this one, Con buffs add to pet AF, Druid Str/Con + base Con please for my pet

c). Dex buffs.

Real suprise here. Guess what.... Dex buffs add to pet AF too, just as significantly as Con. Giv pet Dex/Qui + Baseline Dex for pwnage AF.

Makes me think that the pet has only one stat, its AF, and all these buffs are just fudged to add to its AF as some sort of compensation for not really doing the job they are supposed to. I wonder if acuity does anything for a pet, or haste, didnt test these..., but if a pet has no con or dex, it probably has no int or qui...

d). Focus damage.

Focus damage is proportional to damage dealt, not recieved. Pick any pet and any buff combination and the damage dealt by the focus shield will be the same. The only way to lower it was to mess it up with a dmg shield on the pet. Dmg shield is bad and halves the focus shields strength.
Good to know this one, too many chanters say 'dont buff pet with X cause I want it to deal more damage'....

 

[Arnor]

you 100% sure with the dex-thingy?

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Arnor
you 100% sure with the dex-thingy?

Its true, why do you think i always did dex/qui on the pet?

It sure wasnt because it was gonna hit faster

 

[old.Niljindil]

And can i see the log(if you have any) on the ally vs compatriot thing? ive done some(albeit very minor) tests myself and found the complete opposite.

 

[old.Niljindil]

And to clarify, in pve, mobs have 2 stats that i know of, weaponskill and ABSORB. the buffs add to both afaik.

Done some tests with champ debuffs and mobs take more damage when con debuffed AND when dex debuffed, from melee AND spells. We all know spells arent affected by AF so mobs in this game have some separate absorb stat for buffs.

Basically, buffs on pet = teh uber

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Niljindil
And can i see the log(if you have any) on the ally vs compatriot thing? ive done some(albeit very minor) tests myself and found the complete opposite.

I have no logs, I just got my friend to bash my pet for a minute till we got a good average, didnt parse logs or anything.

The compatriot may have more hps and thus better for solo, not sure, but it seemed to be taking more damage per hit which is bad when the healers are trying to keep him alive

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by Arnor
you 100% sure with the dex-thingy?

As sure as I can be, that or my ns friend was doing a good job of winding me up and telling me all the wrong dmgs he was doing

Please someone else try it

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

oh an I talk too much

 

[old.Mitsu]

Hm never noticed dex debuff lower mob AF. Think you should try that one again.

 

[Marwolaeth]

Ally better than Compatriot? I think any chanter worth their salt could tell you this......I personally have always found that the ally seems to have better skills for keeping it's little ass alive where as the compatriot has it's own AF spell and possibly more hps but always appears to drop alot quicker. My test basically goes along the lines that with an ally I can easily solo a red/2 oranges, and sometimes even a purple con mob...with a compatriot I quite often end up running from an orange con hurling insults at my dead pet and rather red in the face.

The fact that baseline dmg shield halves the effectiveness of focus shield is VERY interesting though as I always thought that the two would stack for uber dmg...an interesting thing to consider.

Nice one

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
Hm never noticed dex debuff lower mob AF. Think you should try that one again.

I tried it lots, have you ?

i). Duel a chanter and smack his pet 10 times - check average dmg.
ii). Duel a chanter and smack his pet 10 times with a baseline dex on it.

Its possible I have messed up here somewhere, but I want people to say (in honesty) 'No that IS wrong i have just tested it', so I can go redo my test...

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
Hm never noticed dex debuff lower mob AF. Think you should try that one again.

It does, you try again.

Have tested on about 500 or so weeweres

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
I tried it lots, have you ?

i). Duel a chanter and smack his pet 10 times - check average dmg.
ii). Duel a chanter and smack his pet 10 times with a baseline dex on it.

Its possible I have messed up here somewhere, but I want people to say (in honesty) 'No that IS wrong i have just tested it', so I can go redo my test...

I believe he was talking to me and about my claim that champ dex/qui debuff increases damage in pve.

It does, its less than the str/con debuff, but it DOES increase the damage.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Niljindil
I believe he was talking to me and about my claim that champ dex/qui debuff increases damage in pve.

It does, its less than the str/con debuff, but it DOES increase the damage.

oops yeah must be early in the day or something...

 

[old.Mitsu]

Well I havent tested on a chanter pet but I have done a fair bit of soloing/farming and the AF loss on mobs/pets from dex debuff must be very minimal.
Of course it could be different on pets.

 

[Stallion-]

the dex/qui thing & haste afaik has been there for ever...

u can see it quite well if u do a pull with em and without em... pet takes so much less dmg

 

[Arnor]

reason why ally goes down slower i think is because he evades (or so i've heard)

 

[thegreatest]

Originally posted by Arnor
reason why ally goes down slower i think is because he evades (or so i've heard)

Oh really? And I always thought that the compatriot was the one who had evade

 

[old.Moriaana]

Nope. Definately ally.

I dont have a compatriot pet for my lowbie chantress, but her pet evades

Which is annoying as when it does the mobs dont take damage, so I always end up with one mob on more health. Grrr

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by Arnor
reason why ally goes down slower i think is because he evades (or so i've heard)

It used to evade, but not anymore that ive seen in the last few 1000 pulls

Always told ppl ally was better for Focus pulling than Comp.

Told a VGN grp once and they just laughed at me

Think main reason ppl prefer the Comp is that it doesnt have the damn annoying HoT buff itll cast mid pulls (then again just press passive a few times and itll stop and run back anyway).