Chance Teh Champ

[Ronso]

Alright -

I want to know about champs ..one of the few classes in Hibernia that I have never played ..But I was thinking of this .

Bard
Druid
Druid
Warden/druid
Bm
Bm
Champ ( main assist )
Eld

I dont want people to start posting group set ups cause we could be here for a while but just out of interest ..a champ as MA with 2 bms assisting ..full dmg spec ..

Surely it must be worthwhile rolling one ? /who champ everyday now between 6 and 9 gmt for the last 5 days and the highest amount of champs on at any one time was 5 lvl 50 champs and 3 of em were templated.

Have the eld and the hero and druid etc but just thinking that surely with so few champs out there ...they must get insta grouped when they log on and are templated ? or would people prefer yet another bm instead in a grp ? ...

the stre/con debuff and insta root on ure target and frontal and back dmg - and ST ..why arent there more champs ?

I am rolling one regardless ..want to know now is there any reason I shouldnt from a class point of view and grp set up . It will be my side project.

 

[Ronso]

Also ..the spec would be 50lw 50val 28parry..

if a champ has any points in shield his job is instantly divided.

 

[sphir]

bms should be MA so they take down bladeturn and you do backstyle as you hit slower with 2h, also would be nice to have a slam bot in the group gives a little more utility with the tri spec imo..

The group setup should work without any bigger problems, that depends on the players really but class-wise its fine

 

[Vodkafairy]

shield can be used purely offensive, and you gain hardly anything from 39 > 50 valor

champs are a very nice class tho, love playing mine

 

[Fuaip]

At the moment on this server you need a guild for GG's to get a grp, so i would say that when i play mine there is no fun playing it because the champion aint the best solo class imo, especially if you choose the 50/50/28 spec.

But as you mention would i say that the grp setup you made was one of the best you can make and a champ is always usefull because of the DD, 3 insta debuffs, ST and ofc the BL abilities.

 

[Mirt]

40lw 39v 42s is a nice spec.

Still surely with 50v and a stardrop/rogs you could do your own s/c that can't be sheared?

 

[Everz]

40lw 39v 42s is a nice spec.

Still surely with 50v and a stardrop/rogs you could do your own s/c that can't be sheared?

40lw?!

 

[Rauno]

first never make 2hander ma....and go 50lw42shield39valor and celt as a race.

 

[Ronso]

The more I think about it I am going to have to put the 42 in shield I spose ..ill use a crafted small shield or try and get the haste proc ones

 

[Vodkafairy]

first never make 2hander ma....and go 50lw42shield39valor and celt as a race.

HA!

even rauno tells you to spec 42 shield

and i tried doing the blue selfbuff with stardrop but it didnt give any bonus - its very very low, but in some cases its semi useful.. shame its impossible to get 40 valor for 2nd best selfbuff/dd :/

played as MA a while ago with 2 bm's assisting me but in some cases it was quite frustrating really. only for taking down sm's its nice because champ can open with slam on pet, but in pretty much all other situation its better to have a bm as ma. you dont get too many chances to use anni on a target if its moving around and hitting brittles/bladeturns is a fucking pain even with 1h

 

[Ronso]

mmm..Like ..the shield thing ..yeah its good to be able to slam considering its an anytime style ..I was hoping that the eld in grp would assist on a kiting target and give it a baseline stun because I have this theory.

I mean ..Mid ( troll ) Hib ( Firb ) Alb ( Half ogre )

These are the 3 strongest races in the 3 realms and only hibs strongest cant actually be a 2h wielder offensive class ( champ )

So surely ..if u started a celt with 15 stre 10 quick and went full valour to get those self buffs and use malice as ure 2h and get the proc off ..you must hit like a truck plus ure REALLY debuffing their con so .

1) U automatically give them a huge decrease in hp
2) You are already doing far greater dmg
3) if malice procs .../drool
4) ure dd will do reasonable dmg after resist - still 250 ish with buff? correct me

OR ..I can chase an enemy wearing down my sprint to get off a slam that could have been done by an eld anyway..AND ..if I get him rooted ..he wouldnt be getting away from 2 bm chains and an annihlation or 3

JEBUS ! DO I HAVE TO GO SHIELD ! Kipp ! TWist ! throw me bone fakkers

Oh and yea bad idea about being Ma..just thought with the root ..but didnt consider the slow swing speed

 

[Rauno]

if i would roll a new champ i would not go 42 shield cos i use anni pefectly but you guys prolly cant get the style off.. and 50 valor use to be gr8 cos in OF atleast debuffs use to crit like example +182 so higher delve debuffs crit more but that is fixed now i guess.

 

[Brack]

just a tiny tiny thing cause cba 2 read but! champ will get cc'ed lots as MA? :<

 

[prodical]

i knew wen i read this g wat you were up too hehe, got bored of the ns eh


anyways imo its well and good reading peoples thoughts about this but if u really wanna know wat is best for a champ and how they are too be played i would ask benc or elric tbh. they would have good idea of stats, play style as benc is rr10 and elric solo'd 24/7 in old emain. dont listen too that noob rauno :eek2:


see j00 in 9 days mfer, it better be templated and rr5 when i get back

 

[sphir]

the camp dd does nowhere near 250dmg maybe 100if your lucky

 

[Rauno]

i knew wen i read this g wat you were up too hehe, got bored of the ns eh


anyways imo its well and good reading peoples thoughts about this but if u really wanna know wat is best for a champ and how they are too be played i would ask benc or elric tbh. they would have good idea of stats, play style as benc is rr10 and elric solo'd 24/7 in old emain. dont listen too that noob rauno :eek2:


see j00 in 9 days mfer, it better be templated and rr5 when i get back

well u can suck my cock when i see you...

 

[Ronso]

well u can suck my cock when i see you...

chances are he wont see u ..cause ure a lazy prick who wont even catch a quick flight and we are even giving u free accomadation u bollocks ...

ALSO ..I dont want to go shield spec ..and from playing the hero I can strafe an annihaltion perfectly ;p but then again i dont think whatever caster or healer ill be hitting will be stuck to me

ANYWAY ..im rolling a champ ! 50 valour 50 lw rest in parry wajn away !

 

[Rauno]

chances are he wont see u ..cause ure a lazy prick who wont even catch a quick flight and we are even giving u free accomadation u bollocks ...

ALSO ..I dont want to go shield spec ..and from playing the hero I can strafe an annihaltion perfectly ;p but then again i dont think whatever caster or healer ill be hitting will be stuck to me

ANYWAY ..im rolling a champ ! 50 valour 50 lw rest in parry wajn away !

im rolling a new champ too! and wtf i got plane tickets already.

 

[ilaya]

unless spec 50 valour u may as well roll a hero tbh.

shield slam taking up those other points? lol.. ST3..

as for MA champ.. now.. other than bencevur.. they shouldnt be MA tbh.. they are actully more useful hanging around the support classes and firing stuff off, using the caster stuns/mezzes etc.. and taking down the MA on other side. longer a champ gets into a battle the more tools he/she has.. can devastate an assist grp.

hard class to play mind ronso, very very hard. underated sadly.. but as many a stealther will tell u... nasty in rvr

 

[Mirt]

Still surely with 50v and a stardrop/rogs you could do your own s/c that can't be sheared?

40lw?!

/sigh and I thought it would be self evident that I meant 50lw 50v 28(?)p, apparantly not ><

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

firstly, im just in the process of templating my champ and ive gone for a 42 shield 50 lw 39 val spec.
The debuffs are great in rvr (altho often resisted) and i use the direct dmg for interupting casters and healers.
The shield gives u more utility over what u can do. While primarily i would be aiming to assist the 2 bm's i could easily break away and cause havoc to there support classes and casters, what with ST and slam etc.

Here is the temp im using i might try and play around with it to get sum shield in there altho ill only b using shield for the ocasional slam etc:

Statistics
STR:102/100 CON:88/85 DEX:30/80
QUI:68/80 INT:0/75 PIE:0/75
CHA:0/75 EMP:0/75
Hits:296/280
Power:0/25
AF:20/50

Resistances
Body: 25
Cold: 26
Heat: 26
Energy: 15+5
Matter: 25
Spirit: 21
Crush: 24+5
Slash: 26
Thrust: 23

Skills
Blades: 2
Blunt: 2
Piercing: 2
Large Weaponry: 11
Parry: 3
Staff: 2

Bonuses
Casting Speed: 4
Spell Range: 4
Style Damage: 11
Melee Damage: 9
Melee Combat Speed: 10
Fatigue: 14

Chest (GoV):
Imbue: 22.0
40 Hits
18 Strength
15 Dexterity
5 Strength Cap Increase
5 Dexterity Cap Increase
4 Melee Damage
4 Style Damage
4 Spell Range
4 Casting Speed
Utility: 32.0
TOA Utility: 100.0

Arms:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
16 Quickness
11% Cold
11% Heat
3% Matter
Utility: 60.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Head (Winged Helm):
Imbue: 28.0
40 Hits
5 Fatigue
10 AF
15 Dexterity
5% Spirit
15 Strength
5% Matter
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 20.0

Legs:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
22 Quickness
5 Large Weaponry
7% Slash
5% Body
Utility: 63.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Hands (MS):
Imbue: 20.0
40 Hits
15 Constitution
15 Quickness
3 Melee Combat Speed
3 Melee Damage
5 Constitution Cap Increase
5 Quickness Cap Increase
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 50.0

Feet:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
9% Cold
9% Heat
7% Energy
4 Large Weaponry
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Two-Handed (M Axe):
Imbue: 20.0
15 Strength
15 Constitution
40 Hits
5 Fatigue
5 Strength Cap Increase
5 Constitution Cap Increase
40 Hits Cap Increase
5 Style Damage
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 65.0

Neck (P Necklace):
Imbue: 45.0
10% Crush
10% Thrust
10% Body
10% Spirit
Utility: 80.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Cloak (SoM):
Imbue: 20.0
3 Parry
15 Strength
15 Quickness
4 Fatigue
10 AF
5 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 35.0
TOA Utility: 43.0

Jewel (GoLM):
Imbue: 18.5
10 Constitution
24 Hits
4% Matter
4% Body
2 ALL melee weapon skills
2 Melee Damage
2 Style Damage
Utility: 38.7
TOA Utility: 20.0

Belt (O Belt):
Imbue: 21.0
15 Strength
40 Hits
3% Crush
3% Slash
3% Thrust
5 Strength Cap Increase
40 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 38.0
TOA Utility: 20.0

Left Ring (Ring of the Heavens):
Imbue: 26.0
24 Constitution
40 Hits
6% Spirit
10 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 38.0
TOA Utility: 20.0

Right Ring (5.10):
Imbue: 41.0
24 Strength
24 Constitution
8% Energy
7% Matter
32 Hits
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Left Wrist (Cyclone Bracer):
Imbue: 38.0
11% Crush
10% Slash
10% Thrust
2 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 62.0
TOA Utility: 10.0

Right Wrist (Ebon hide bracer):
Imbue: 30.0
6% Cold
6% Body
6% Heat
6% Slash
6% Matter
Utility: 60.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

 

[Meekx]

Theres no real benefit in Valor above 39.. exept more end/mana use and a little higher but not critical dwelve. I strongly recomend going 39 valor and when time comes get MoF2 to remedy the resists

And the 50/42/39 is in my oppinion the best spec there is for a champ. The utillity is just mind blowing ( you can be on train and do max damage, and/or stand back interupting (root interupts as well adla mate) debuffing and guarding youre squishies )

and dont rush to ST3 untill like rr one gazillion and you dont know what to do with the points ( like that would ever happen to one playing a chimp ) ST1 will carry you all the way, just get the passives first

And to be honest, i agree with the posters before.. a chimp shouldnt be MA.

One root and the train would stop, you wont belive how many time ive blocked mezz with golm, purged a while after when another cc lands and then just to stand the next 20-30 secs on the spot cause of some darn root

But with BoV + banespike + mallice axe = say hello to the highest Fontload in the game.. its a blast

with 50/42/39 youre gonna rock hard in grps and when bored go solo and slam + sidechain will two/three shot most chars

I wish you the best of luck mfer

 

[Vodkafairy]

heh, one silly idea that many people have i never understood. what stops a MA from picking a target when cc'd in any way? rooting a MA champ doesn't stop the train at all, it stops the champ but not the targets. just like if the champ wasn't MA

rest of the above post i agree with tho - bov/banespike are insane, 39 debuffs are all you want when you get mofocus2, and st1 is fine. on my champ i have-

str4, mop4, mof2, lw1, purge1, st1, ip1 (for using AT) - but might drop str4 to 3 to get ip2, since my new template will be quite nice for soloing aswell

 

[Meekx]

heh, one silly idea that many people have i never understood. what stops a MA from picking a target when cc'd in any way? rooting a MA champ doesn't stop the train at all, it stops the champ but not the targets. just like if the champ wasn't MA

Thats a really good point. theres nothing stopping one from picking targets and debuffing 'em for the rest of the train..

EDIT: i removed a "ohh so funny" line after the ... i rather just keep on track..

 

[Ronso]

Guys ...i am NOT speccing shield -

And ill explain to u why - ...it would be nice to switch to a small shield and get off a slam to stop whatever we are chasing BUT that can already be done by the eld .

Now..there is no chance im speccing shield to guard someone and i think that idea is just bullshit and not thought thru ..

Because - 42 shield is shit ..a good hero has 50 shield plus 15 ...means ill have to have a small shield and a crafted weapon when im guarding with plus points in it cause I am not putting shield points anywhere else in my template ..

also then ..the ra points ? i dont want to spec anything less in valour and any in shield cause that means I need to get Mob 2 or 3 tbh ...and mastery of focus 2 ..Ill need better dex for block rate so ill end up going aug dex 2 and it even puts my starting points into question.

75 ste/con debuff ....purple insta root ..and a malice proc ..will make short work of any class when an insist train catches it ..For all u champs out there who think I should go 42 shield ..I respect u have played ure class and I havent ..but I still think my idea will work better - I cant allow myself to be taken away from an assist train to guard someone ...DAOC is full of shit assist trains that always break up or dont stick on one target -

I am NOT wasting :

RA points
starting spec points
Template space
Time beating the shit out of something or debuffing it to the full

To get a stun that can be done by another class in the group far easier with no cost to himself .

 

[Vodkafairy]

Guys ...i am NOT speccing shield -

And ill explain to u why - ...it would be nice to switch to a small shield and get off a slam to stop whatever we are chasing BUT that can already be done by the eld

its not a tool to catch people that are running, in that care you use snare + anni. when people start strafing or you approach them from the front, an anytime stun is incredibly useful. you can't rely on an eld to stun, and even if you would, definitely not on every target and magic stuns are affected by det/resists.. 1-2 sec stun if you're lucky next patch

Now..there is no chance im speccing shield to guard someone and i think that idea is just bullshit and not thought thru ..

which bit of 'its an offensive tool' don't you understand? gl killing a sm if the pet is free, having an anytime stun in the assist train helps a fucking shitload. or no, thats an understatement, its the difference between killing the sm or not being able to hit him at all

Because - 42 shield is shit ..a good hero has 50 shield plus 15 ...means ill have to have a small shield and a crafted weapon when im guarding with plus points in it cause I am not putting shield points anywhere else in my template ..

see above. you dont get shield to guard. and the diff between 50 and 42 is minimal

also then ..the ra points ? i dont want to spec anything less in valour and any in shield cause that means I need to get Mob 2 or 3 tbh ...and mastery of focus 2 ..Ill need better dex for block rate so ill end up going aug dex 2 and it even puts my starting points into question.

mob/dex? you on drugs? see above, the bit about slam being an offensive tool. you dont need dex or shieldspec at all, its a bonus if you can fit it in, but i havnt and its fine

75 ste/con debuff

the way champ debuffs work is that they debuff 2.5x delve on buffed stats and 0.4x delve on unbuffed stats - basically the red debuffs will do about 160, the yellow ones do about 150, at higher powercost. very minor difference

....purple insta root

its a snare, only difference between yellow and red snare is the duration. again, totally pointless. if its resisted, it doesn't have a recast timer so you can instantly reapply it

..and a malice proc ..will make short work of any class when an insist train catches it ..

sure, nothing spec related tho?

For all u champs out there who think I should go 42 shield ..I respect u have played ure class and I havent ..but I still think my idea will work better - I cant allow myself to be taken away from an assist train to guard someone ...DAOC is full of shit assist trains that always break up or dont stick on one target -

no reason what so ever to break off assist if you have shieldspec, its an offensive tool thats very useful in every tanktrain.

I am NOT wasting
RA points

4 pts for a small difference in resists, which isnt even necessary, who cares?

starting spec points

why would you want to do that? 15str, 10 con

Template space

eh? it actually gives you more utility. get some 1h and shield with celerity proc, spell duration and debuffbonus for some extra toys. 11 sec slam = yum

Time beating the shit out of something or debuffing it to the full

?

To get a stun that can be done by another class in the group far easier with no cost to himself .

wrong

like i said, ONLY thing you gain from speccing 50v is the non shearable str/con buff and a higher value dd. the rest is such minimal differences they will never ever win or lose a fight, whereas slam WILL win you fights and will help you kill certain targets much easier

but its your char, your choice

 

[statued]

such champ wub :<

 

[moik]

I mean ..Mid ( troll ) Hib ( Firb ) Alb ( Half ogre )

These are the 3 strongest races in the 3 realms and only hibs strongest cant actually be a 2h wielder offensive class ( champ )

Half-ogres can't become paladin (2h wielder), so again the realm of midgard is overpowered in yet another category! uke:

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

Well argued vodka

 

[Vodkafairy]

thank fuck champs cant be firbs. only reason i didnt roll a bm yet is because they _have_ to be firb otherwise its gimped in a way since the start, and that would interfere with my desire to roll something fotm

soo not playing a firb in rvr :/