Catapult group on cluricauns

[Jenkz]

I dont like naming and shaming, but as its in my defence here goes. All started around 8pm tonight:

Myself and my playing partner were aoeing the cluricauns camp in connact from 6:30pm to 8pm tonight, we took a break for a couple of minutes and moved to the walking rocks. On our return there was a level 50 bard standing around and the camp was pretty much empty.

We did an aoe pull, aoed some mobs around the bard then we noticed he was mezzing both houses. We thought he was just being annoying so pulled some of them on him. Couple more pulls later Daigh <Lliad Ddraig>, the 50 bard, along with some greycons that were being powerleveled (to 27) from <Draconis Alummi> come over and hurling some abuse, saying it was their camp and they were using a catapult and we should basically f. off. as:

[20:14:57] @@Ashes says, "il give u 100g each if u go away"
[20:15:28] @@Ashes says, "its costing me alot off money having my catapult going to waste here.."
[20:17:29] @@Daigh says, "i will harass u all day "
[20:17:41] @@Daigh says, "every where u go i come kill ur mobs"
[20:18:19] @@Daigh says, "will announce ur names on alliance too"
[20:19:12] @@Ashes says, "tsss u call me noob while everybody knows this place is always used by catapulting partys"
Daigh logs off shortly after, but Inada (50 mentalist) and Quenatir (50 eldrich) from the same guild appear and give us a similar talk. We pointed out that we had been here for nearly 2 hours along with another lowbie mentalist at the camp. The new arrivals of level 50s proceed to aoe nuke the whole camp of two houses, or mez pull the whole camp for more catapult fun.

Myself and my partner did our best to avoid pulling any of the mobs they were using for their catapult killing by only pulling rarely from the left of the two houses. On a number of occasions the 50 eldrich would 1 hit aoe any pull we made...

Please feel free to inform your alliance or whoever of two level 27s standing ground and trying our best to share a spawn we were forced to after being there for nearly 2 hours.... Our realm alt characters may have lost some opinion in your eyes but to me seeing level 50s (not to mention guild master and officer of your guild) acting like that is something to be ashamed of, rolling in with catapults and taking over XP spots that are in use by lower levels, claiming the catapults are expensive and you dont want to waste them, please, 150g? you offered us more than that to clear off.

Were it not for the foul mouthed threats, bribery, and basically "screw u" attitude of all of the people there, we would have probably vacated the area without any questions. A simple "please would you mind coming back here in 20 minutes when our trebuchet has decayed" would have gone a long long way.

 

[wuntvor]

PLEASE, if you have problems with guild members take it up with GM's or officers of that guild. Posting here naming guilds serves no purpose exept to start a series of flames.

Be assured that the officers of Dranconis Alumni will investigate this incident and try to sort matters out.

Wuntvor (Officer of Draconis Alumni)

 

[old.Tzeentch]

np guys, i got the popcorn
<starts munching>

 

[lofff]

jenkz what a huge amount of bollocks

bout pulting... its done EVERY day by many ppl at cluris and others spots, and also in other realms, everybody knows and it aint that good, takes MANY MANY hours and effort getting chars to 20-24 that way...(many many pults etc) but its just a different and funnier way to do so.

ur a damn ashole flaming at public forums instead of solving things in game talking to GMs etc etc etc

ps: stop fooking lieing so much, involving /as hahaha... fook off and die

 

[Bodzilla]

lofff sounds like a man of wise words

 

[lofff]

oh well am still laughing after reading ur friend's post... what could i say? its a big /laugh, period.

Half his post was bollocks... pure fantasy or whatever... and if sth like that happens report to GMs and solve it in game... whining here wont help.

still /laugh fun post coming from alb whinners

knpthx

 

[cjkaceBM]

Let me see if I got this right?

You were camping a spot (cluricauns) and decicided to --> move <-- to camp the walking rocks. When you return to your first spot it is now being camped by someone else. You then pulled some onto him!!!! and claim to be the innocent party. LOL.

PS I'm curious as to what guild you are in?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

guild of elves i bet

 

[Krissy]

may i just point out that 1 of the ppl in the original post is a GM and the other 2 are officers, u can not complain to a guild when there top ranks are the ones ur complaining about, its like telling a teacher they are a bad teacher and ur gonna complain, if u do they aint gonna let u or will stop it ther and then without doing anything.

An officer of the guild in question was AoEing the mobs. Not bitching at a lvl 24 mentalist for pulling from "there" spawn, just 2 other ppl? it seems alittle odd.

The treats pasted from logs above show the attitude of a Gm and 2 of there officers, sadly yes , standard of high ranking guild members seems to of decreased, political high ranking guildies seem to of gone since the last sub .


Would like to point out Wuntvor as a good officer, that is political and knows how to act in public. not like Loff obviously.

1.) in the 2 weeks + i have been playing hib seriously ive found that the "little men houses" are not actualy camped by catapults much so try that one again.

2.) would also like to point out that myself and Jenkz did relog l8r that nite and found a group that had perfectly every right to do both houses and we left them to it xping on less attactive mobs.

I think ppl like lofff should read the other realm forums and find how to actualy act and how to post back. Imature? childlike? yes we can c, plz rectify it as its very annoying and arogant, the first post was to defend OUR postion not flame, as a GM and 2 officers of a guild threatened to do the things in which are quoted from ingame in the main post. how do u defend urself against ppl u dont know?, the quotes themself speak of the validity of the ppl involved as u are avoiding as normal "realmies" do, twisting the post in to a flame rather than just being cival and normal about it instead of ROFL ROFL ROFLing every other word.

prof of lofff is just after bodzilla's post, c how he reacts pitty they dont bred animals in clinical condsions, things go wrong

[edit] almost forgot, there are 2 houses there full of the "little men" a lvl god knows (grey con to lvl 28) could lvl almost as fast with 1 less as they were purple/red to them anyhow? [edit]

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by Jenkz

we took a break for a couple of minutes and moved to the walking rocks. On our return there was a level 50 bard standing around and the camp was pretty much empty.

You left the spot, they prolly arrived there to pult, you came back and AE the mobs they wanted to pult. Now if you go to a xp spot start to xp and some guys come and AE the mobs there, also you were there 1st (and the pulters were there 1st, because you LEFT). I think you would be upset too. And when you are upset you are often not very polite Then you come here and whine because you were being called names ^^

And xping there hours before doesn't give you some camp rights that allow you to come back later and claim the spot again.

 

[Ziva]

Maybe they had no right to claim the spot but the "catapult" pullers sure as hell did not have to act like that or do they?

Like Jenkz said.... it would have been enough if they just asked if they could pull with catapult for a while using proper language and beeing polite. But i guess that's just too much to ask for some people.

Some people really seem to forget that it's in ALL our best benefits to get everyone to 50 asap. Some people think they have more rights then others. To those people i can only say: enjoy PvP and have a nice time killing eachother!

 

[<Harle>]

Don'T you find it odd that the lines he posted from his logs only show the harassment from the poeple he is flaming ? There is not a single line of his own chat, but if he asked them in a polite manner there's sure no reason to remove them from the log, unless he wasn't that polite after all, in which case it might be obvious why the pult-party overreacted.

As for pulting: there are not many places where you can do this pult-stuff, getting a catapult together is a hard job on it's own allready, and once in place you cant move the catapult anyway, so since there are other nice mobs of that lvl in the area (irewoods, walking rocks) I don't get it why someone would be that insitant on camping that spot.

btw, the people from Lliad Ddraig i know are all very nice and helpfull people ( well, perhaps except Arya ), so someone there must have acted really stupid to get such a reaction from Daigh imho

 

[Jenkz]

1. the high level people involved/causing hassle were the GMs and two Officers of Lliad Ddraig - difficult to take it up in private with the people in authority? The lower levels wernt really causing any problems.

2. We did not "claim" the spot, we carried on trying to share the spot.

3. im not guilded on hib (i wonder why?), it's a realm alt character as i stated.

4. as for "you cant claim the camp" we never claimed the whole camp, its large enough to support enough people, we returned to our spot and pulled from our spot, to be told by the high level catapult group to go forth and multiply.

5. you can have the whole log if you please, just PM me. (too large to post on here), though heres a snippet:

[20:14:57] @@Ashes says, "il give u 100g each if u go away"
[20:14:57] @@[Chat] Krissy: "lol"
[20:15:07] @@You say, "i dont need cash"
[20:17:21] @@[Chat] Krissy: "about what"
[20:17:25] @@[Chat] Jenkz: "just keep doing that"
[20:17:27] You've been in combat recently, the spell has no effect on you!
[20:17:28] @@[Chat] Jenkz: "dont pull any he mezzes"
[20:17:29] @@Daigh says, "i will harass u all day "
[20:17:29] @@[Chat] Krissy: "were killing at a camp of 50 + mobs"
[20:17:37] @@You say, "and i got logs"
[20:17:39] @@You say, "ty"
[20:17:39] @@Jenkz says, "then you get a rightnow report, move along plz."
[20:17:41] @@Daigh says, "every where u go i come kill ur mobs"
[20:17:45] The cluricaun attacks Daigh and hits!
[20:17:47] @@Ashes says, "what u going to do with logs hmm?"
[20:18:00] @@Daigh says, "and u are on my iignore list so u cant tell me anything"
[20:18:09] @@Jenkz says, "i wouldnt want to speak to someone so arrogant"
[20:18:18] @@[Chat] Jenkz: "just pull from 1 camp"
[20:18:19] @@Daigh says, "will announce ur names on alliance too"

and finally as for the claimed "nonsense" i make up, defence by making out the accusation is lies seems to be quite amusing in itself, must be desperate?

i'm not trying to make out we are the innocent party here - both did wrong, we pulled mobs mezzed on the bard, that was wrong, but we saw no catapult or any other person bar one level 50 - so we carried on at the somewhat empty camp. my point was that higher levels shouldnt really be able to expect to turn up to a camp and expect anyone XPing there to "disapear" just cause its a catapult spot (there are other catapult spots in hib), and a simple "please do you mind coming back in 30 minutes when our catapult has decayed" would have been enough to make us leave.

its clear there is some inherrent friendships here, so no matter what i say will make no difference anyhow to some of you, but talking to lower levels like that is something not to proud of, and standing up for it is just as bad.

[edited to pad out a bit]

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by &lt;Harle&gt;

btw, the people from Lliad Ddraig i know are all very nice and helpfull people ( well, perhaps except Arya )

/em runs off and cries

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by Jenkz
1. the high level people involved/causing hassle were the GMs and two Officers of Lliad Ddraig - difficult to take it up in private with the people in authority? The lower levels wernt really causing any problems.
[edited to pad out a bit]

The lower levels are alts of other officers
And the people in authority are everybody in our guild ( we are only 12) kthxbye.

 

[PJS]

I'm just surprised Mythic haven't put a stop to catapult powerleveling yet. Maybe noone does it on the American servers so they don't know about it. There's no way they could have intended this sort of use for it so surely its an 'exploit'. Make it so siege weapons can only be deployed in frontiers.

 

[Jenkz]

Originally posted by old.Arya
The lower levels are alts of other officers
And the people in authority are everybody in our guild ( we are only 12) kthxbye.

kind of proving my point that taking it up with your guild ingame would have been a complete waste of time...

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Jenkz

[20:17:29] @@Daigh says, "i will harass u all day "
[20:17:41] @@Daigh says, "every where u go i come kill ur mobs"

Those don't really seem the words of a "very nice and helpful" person, tbh. Jenkz may have been walking into their camp, but that doesn't given them an excuse to be utter fuckwits. There's a difference between strong words said in anger (eg. fuck off out of our spawn) and threatening to harrass someone continually.

 

[Ensceptifica]

So this is just a misunderstanding, and Jenkz is trying to clear things up by giving his side of the story in a civilized fashion. The people flaming him for it should ponder on how they prefer people to behave;

- Respond in an offensive/aggressive way and ignore constructive attempts to solve a misunderstanding;
- Start a civilized discussion about it;

and then rethink if they're promoting the right kind of behaviour here.

 

[old.Arya]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Those don't really seem the words of a "very nice and helpful" person, tbh. Jenkz may have been walking into their camp, but that doesn't given them an excuse to be utter fuckwits. There's a difference between strong words said in anger (eg. fuck off out of our spawn) and threatening to harrass someone continually.

I never have daigh seen saying something like that before ( so something must really have had annoyed him). And no he is not an "utter fuckwit"

 

[old.giriam]

1) failing to realize that the camp you used to pull from is now being used by someone else.

2) a complete lack of tact shown by the offended party.

im sure we have all been in both situations at one time or another, nothing to get worked up over on either side of the conflict.

shake hands, smile, and go badmouth the other behind his back.. its the hibernian way

G

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by old.giriam
shake hands, smile, and go badmouth the other behind his back.. its the hibernian way

( ;

Sadly, the badmouthing behind people's backs happens too often. If someone has a prob with me and prefers to just badmouth me behind my back without even taking it up with me personally, then it's obvious that person just WANTS to have a problem so he can complain about someone (dunno why, but some people are like that...). Anyway, that's why I value Jenkz' way of starting the discussion here so everyone involved can have their say. I won't say whether he was right or wrong in that situation, but certainly this is a good way to solve the conflict.

 

[Armolas]

This seems odd to me - I am very surprised that Daigh would say anything like that ever, no matter what the provocation (and although it's a one sided story at the minute there seems pretty little provocation). Involving /as is silly, as the alliance would not have any truck with this sort of thing at all.

In addition all Lliad Ddriag have always been friendly and helpful people at all times in my experience (especially Arya, but also the rest of them ).

On the other hand the involvement of DA does not surprise me in the least.

I hope Daigh shows up here to give us his side of the story - I have a feeling there is more to this than we have been told ...

 

[old.Jable]

"its like telling a teacher they are a bad teacher and ur gonna complain, if u do they aint gonna let u or will stop it ther and then without doing anything."

sounds like child talk to me

 

[Odon]

Lol this is why posting on here is not good.

"On the other hand the involvement of DA does not surprise me in the least."

Excuse me?

You have issues with DA you speak to me, not post a comment like that.

I'll be inviting you and your GM into a chat grp asap tbh.

 

[Jenkz]

Originally posted by Armolas
I hope Daigh shows up here to give us his side of the story - I have a feeling there is more to this than we have been told ...

If daigh is supposedly a nice bloke - he did log out pretty quickly followed by other people from his guild logging in. possibly someone else was using his character?. this really isnt about the people involved - more or less saying please respect that there are low levels using catapult XP grounds. i posted this more to defend myself against the threatened alliance involvement over a trivial issue - to basically give my side of the situation. i only posted here as i said above, due to the fact that i couldnt bring it up with the GMs or officers of the guild involved - as they were the ones being abusive/aoeing our pulls.

 

[elerand]

Well in the past I have had problems with people who descended into swearing and others have told me they are nice people, we don't see people all the time or we are at least lucky to see them at their best.

Sounds to me like jenkz and co tried to share the camp and it wasn't good enough, so maybe he got pissed off with it and said something he shouldn't, I always state to people I can't discuss matters if swearing is involved and I do commend jenkz for making his initial post a sensible one, people are too quick to assume flames because they simply get cross at what they read and don't think of the larger problem.

Simply put the camp was in dispute, not a major issue really but I've seen too many people run in and start yelling for the offending party to fuck right off, win nothing that way.

You would think by now as a realm we had a better sense of responsiblity towards our realm mates, be cool, be kind, if the other can't do that then move along and don't get worked up over it, am I wrong in thinking we log on to get away from it all and just have some fun?

 

[Mikael]

sigh

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Anyway, that's why I value Jenkz' way of starting the discussion here so everyone involved can have their say. I won't say whether he was right or wrong in that situation, but certainly this is a good way to solve the conflict.

Wouldn't it in that case be better to start a chat-group and discuss it there than to post it here on the forum? Cause if he post it on the forum he want's others to know and in this case he want's to "flame and name" so to speak.

Another reason for not posting it on the forums is because everyone dont read the forums because of all the flameing and whining. Which means we can't hear everyones side of the story which is a requirement before we actually can have an honest opinion about this.

Jenkz said that he posted this to defend himself, defend himself? From what? There hasn't been anything about this on forums or ingame, not that I know of at least.
So, is there really any reason for this post?

Originally posted by Armolas
(especially Arya, but also the rest of them ).

Suck up

 

[Ensceptifica]

Re: sigh

Originally posted by Mikael


Wouldn't it in that case be better to start a chat-group and discuss it there than to post it here on the forum? Cause if he post it on the forum he want's others to know and in this case he want's to "flame and name" so to speak.

Seeing Jenkz got told he was put on ignore and his reputation ruined over /as etc, I don't think starting a chatgroup seemed like a good option. Otherwise I agree you'd want to settle disputes ingame as much as possible, although posting on a forum does give you time to think about the right words to clarify yourself ( ;

 

[Krissy]

The original post was just to defend ourselfs against the posibility of "/as blacklist these ppl alliance" etc, we are new to hib (well its an alt realm for us but we would like to play it seriously) we also know from a bad start on alb (the guild we joined on day one was not exactly good and it stuck with the offsperts of the guild too till we finaly proved ourselfs), so we would rather not be blacklisted when weve only just started.

We found hib excal to be a nice realm/server to lvl the UBER casters of the game on and haev some fun while doing it, we still intend on doing so, and in no way was this post ment to flame ppl, naming names was the proff of the reasy y we never /send *GM*, thats all was not ment as a name and shame post