Casters imbalanced?

[Keata]

The reason for this post is basicly my level 14 chosen being wiped by a level 13 wizzard... melee..

I have some pretty sweet gear did a lot of public quests for rewards etc. Can this really be true? To me being an old daoc player, this is just absurd.. He wasnt even running. He was just standing there giving me hell while i fired all my good moves and twisted auras, and pumping healing pots..

What are your opinions?

 

[CowledScout]

The reason for this post is basicly my level 14 chosen being wiped by a level 13 wizzard... melee..

I have some pretty sweet gear did a lot of public quests for rewards etc. Can this really be true? To me being an old daoc player, this is just absurd.. He wasnt even running. He was just standing there giving me hell while i fired all my good moves and twisted auras, and pumping healing pots..

What are your opinions?

Hi keata.

I'm myself a BW. I seem to have problems facing tanks, myself. Most of them can take 30 DDs, which would end up taking 2 minutes to kill. Therefore i'm usually dead when their blade hits me .

Remember when you play in a tier 2 rvr zone, you get boosted to lvl 18. (i think it's 18, might be 19).

 

[Grimlorn]

That's odd.

I don't know why you would twist auras in that situation. It's a waste of action points. It's 30 action points everytime you do a new aura and it's also a waste of a round. Bright wizards are a little too powerful in my opinion, but I'm told early that RDPS is suppose to own. Their dots do a lot of damage, and if they get in a bind melee wise they can just put you in that fire cage and get out of the way and fire from range.

I'm betting you don't know what skills to use against them that do the most damage, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your action points on twisting. You probably ran out of action points early, and your gear might not be as good as you think it is.

You should only be able to have 1 potion during a fight because of the long cd on them. So you couldn't have been using pots.

There's probably only 3 abilities you should be using on a BW in melee range if he's just standing there not running, besides morale ability.
You should also be using the Toughness aura. That way it reduces the damage you take and increases the damage the BW takes. Not sure about the resistance aura, haven't tested it enough yet, to see if it would make more of an impact or not. BW's attacks aren't based around str so just increasing your str would be worse than the Toughness aura imo.

 

[Keata]

That's odd.

I don't know why you would twist auras in that situation. It's a waste of action points. It's 30 action points everytime you do a new aura. Bright wizards are a little too powerful in my opinion, but I'm told early that RDPS is suppose to own. Their dots do a lot of damage, and if they get in a bind melee wise they can just put you in that fire cage and get out of the way and fire from range.

I'm betting you don't know what skills to use against them that do the most damage, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your action points on twisting. You probably ran out of action points early, and your gear might not be as good as you think it is.

Your right, it wasnt a wise decition to twist. I still think its odd that it happened the way it did It'll be a good lesson learned. I guess i gotta get used to the wow'ification of mythic.

You might be right about the skills. My experience is only based on tier 1 pvp and the mob ganking, i usually start out with a dot attack and then hammer on with my main attack which requires 30 AP and does the most damage. Im not saying i got uber gear but its all blue 'n purble. I got -33 DPS on me through toughness.

And yes i used 1 potion ofcause, a 1800 hp HoT. The aura i allways use is the toughness one. Around halfway down the fight i twisted to resistance aura in hopes it would help and twisted back to toughness before the timer ran out on it, at that time i was sort of toasted.

 

[Grimlorn]

Try using Seeping Wound, (I can't remember all the names of the attacks offhand), then use the one that increases the damage done by your party next round, then use the spiritual attack. It should work much better than Cleave I think it's called, the attack that can't be blocked.

Use the lvl 1 morale ability if you can, that burns them down quickly with the ac reduction and damage. If a BW uses the fire cage and moves out of melee to cast spells. Try using that ability "Hold the Line" or atleast take a look at it. It should also help against casters for the few seconds you're in that cage, but I can't remember for sure so you should read the tooltip. You can cancel it by moving or casting another ability I think. Using a shield and 1 hander I think is a lot better than 2 hander. Around tier 2 the 2 handers only do like 5 dps more, but in pvp a shield is so helpful.

 

[rynnor]

I dont think the balance is particularly out - I had a great duel the other night on my zealot against a bright wizard 1 level higher and won (just) - if you can survive the initial burst dps n melee em they run out of action points and then its more tactical.

Oh and the things that I find hardest to fight are witchhunters - really high sustained dps!

 

[Grimlorn]

Oh there's also that ability, not sure if you have it at your lvl, that does damage and removes like 30 action points from you opponent. You could definitely look into that.

 

[Bubble]

I have issues with Iron Breakers when they close in on me, 1v1 if i don't spot them at max range and have issues taking them down before they kill me (extreme HP difference.. if i'm nuking for 200 when they have 2200hp, 3s cast time).

Most of them tend to play well and take me down.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Didn't have any problems with the Bright Wiz zerg, but that was only up to level 11.

 

[Aada]

BW's are overpowered.. orders saving grace really.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

BW's are overpowered.. orders saving grace really.

At what level can't they be killed?

 

[arknor]

how long does it take a bw of around lvl15 to do 3k+ dmg?

 

[Dredge]

BW's are overpowered.. orders saving grace really.

I dont really have a problem so far taking them out with my sorc. Admittedly I also die 50% of the time, but at least they are dead too

 

[Xandax]

Well - first baring the obvious that the game isn't balanced towards 1vs1, but then wizards will have problems against melee in 1vs1 but they aren't a free kill.
On the flip side - casters have problems with healers as well so perhaps we should whine about that as well. Oh noes, I lost to a shaman yesterday.


You win some, you loose some, you zerg some. But you shouldn't complain about 1vs1 cause this is not DAoC.

 

[Hawkwind]

As a sorc I found Ironbreakers and witchunters much more of a problem.

 

[Gahn]

The reason for this post is basicly my level 14 chosen being wiped by a level 13 wizzard... melee..

I have some pretty sweet gear did a lot of public quests for rewards etc. Can this really be true? To me being an old daoc player, this is just absurd.. He wasnt even running. He was just standing there giving me hell while i fired all my good moves and twisted auras, and pumping healing pots..

What are your opinions?

You clearly twisted the wrong auras -.-

 

[Jimmi]

Not had any problems 1 v 1 with a BW. I am a shammy though.

 

[Zebolt]

But you shouldn't complain about 1vs1 cause this is not DAoC.

That must be the strangest comment I've seen so far.. So you're saying we should complain about 1vs1 in DAoC? Why? DAoC wasn't a 1vs1 game anymore than WAR is.

[Edit] - And I agree with the previous poster, not had any problems with BW 1vs1 with my Shaman.

 

[Gahn]

That must be the strangest comment I've seen so far.. So you're saying we should complain about 1vs1 in DAoC? Why? DAoC wasn't a 1vs1 game anymore than WAR is.

[Edit] - And I agree with the previous poster, not had any problems with BW 1vs1 with my Shaman.

Absolutely true, Daoc was far from balanced around 1 vs 1.

 

[Cybwyn]

Nothing wrong with casters really - they need support to be effective in RvR.

Playing a BW here and 1 v 1 I have tend to have problems against healers and melée (especially tanks) as they'll either close range and cut me down or I'll blow myself up trying to nuke them down. Against casters of the same level it's 50-50.

 

[Laretor]

I wouldn't have twisted in that case as it's been said. Not that I really twist anyway. Just change depending on situations.

I find that with the many BW's Order has running around the resistance aura to be my most used one. Second is Corrupting wrath (toughness one). The resistance aura has the effect of reducing damage taken from BW's and also still increasing my own damage dealt as the ability I mostly use for damage is Ravage, which deals spiritual damage, not physical.

Usually if I can get near a caster BW in particular, he's dead. Ofcourse I do get rooted about 15 times each scenario. On that note, I hate fire cage with a passion. Though I did have moments of vengeance when I got Champions challenge and popped it right after being caged... The BW stuck right next to me

 

[Bob007]

17 Chosen. I have mixed results with BW's. If i can keep them in melee range, they free RP's, if they root - run they can kill me (with maybe a little kiting). I love it. With rank 1 morale that roots me and target for 10 secs. I'll take them down pretty fast even without aura running (i r forgetful), just hate it when it fires and they just out of melee range.

BW's pay for there power with ease to kill close in, glass cannon. I like em

 

[Downanael]

casters are very much OP atm,they were total shit on CB but they fixed them just before OB so they didin't really have time to balance/think it trought.

Mark my words,they will be first ones to receive the nerfbat.

 

[Dredge]

[Edit] - And I agree with the previous poster, not had any problems with BW 1vs1 with my Shaman.

Every scenario I do, I thank the stars that the Shaman are on MY side!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

By lvl8, not found anything my Magus can kill true solo. I know its lvl10 before its useful though. My zealot has very good survivability though and is quite nice to play.

 

[Andrilyn]

Every scenario I do, I thank the stars that the Shaman are on MY side!

Just wait till level 28 we going to get some massive whines about shamans then ;p
Personally I haven't found any problem with BW's/Sorcs but thats because I play a healer most of the time and in a 1v1(which is rare I must say) they stand no chance even if they are 6-7 levels above me (with no bolster buff on both of us).

 

[Xandax]

That must be the strangest comment I've seen so far.. So you're saying we should complain about 1vs1 in DAoC? Why? DAoC wasn't a 1vs1 game anymore than WAR is.

[Edit] - And I agree with the previous poster, not had any problems with BW 1vs1 with my Shaman.

If you read the original post, you'd see that he complained "To me being an old daoc player". It was simply a method of saying that this isn't DAoC and a new line of thinking must be used and experiences from DAoC aren't automatically valid in this game.
So perhaps it is the strangest, cause you didn't get the context?

 

[Dredge]

Just wait till level 28 we going to get some massive whines about shamans then ;p
Personally I haven't found any problem with BW's/Sorcs but thats because I play a healer most of the time and in a 1v1(which is rare I must say) they stand no chance even if they are 6-7 levels above me (with no bolster buff on both of us).

I have noticed for the most part, the only people who seem to actually heal everyone (Dest side) are the shaman, zealots dont seem to do bugger all..and I have to poke the DoK's before they wake up.

 

[Andrilyn]

I have noticed for the most part, the only people who seem to actually heal everyone (Dest side) are the shaman, zealots dont seem to do bugger all..and I have to poke the DoK's before they wake up.

Yeah I know what you mean! ;p
Nah but I've seen zealots heal alot also but most of them seem to be more concerned about doing damage than keeping people alive.
Alot of people also have the DAoC mentality that they only should heal their own group, you don't win scenario's that way as 1 group can't beat 18 people no matter how good they are as 3-4 BW's/Sorc or any high DPS like Marauder or WL attacking 1 target means certain death especially in T1.

And DoK's just heal themselves not other people (some do though, very few but still), they are hard to kill that way but provide no real thing to the group other than their aura in the lower levels.

 

[Mithradir]

I have a 14 lvl white lion and so far the only 2 classes i have big difficulties on killing solo are the zealot and the shaman. Hopefully later a combination of Thin the hed (50% healing reduction ability) and an Ap drain morale ability, shall have better results.