Cabalists ?

[Sobek]

I was wondering if you made a spirit/body cabbie for spec lifedrains & body resist debuff, if you could work like a darkcarver
well imaging buffed cabalist with MoC running, could be at full health constantly

- Just a thought for new cabalist speccing instead of the Matter line

I know my gramma sucks

 

[spathi]

Asysh? Ziera?

 

[Aoln]

asysh is uber :/
cast times the cap and lifedrain does 550 and steals 550

 

[<Wels>]

asysh doesn't nuke for 550 unless somebody debuffs body for him 50%, he only have a 15% debuff on his own , normally nukes with 15% debuff on mids do around 400 on hibs its like 250

 

[Aoln]

well his siggy lies then

 

[old.Ziera]

It is a great combo

When MoC is running you can ofc be taken down, but I have had 4-5 ppl on me and still managed to kill my target before MoC ran out.

And well, I am horrible at RvR, so this combo really helps me a lot

 

[Saturnine]

With big-debuff.
http://loe.effectus.dk/Asysh/BigDamage.jpg

Tapping more health than is nuked for.
http://loe.effectus.dk/Asysh/Bigtap.jpg

Standard RvR dmg.
http://loe.effectus.dk/Asysh/rvrnuke.jpg
(not quite as low as 250 on hibs, rarely under 300 (even with a warden in town)

Unfortunatilly, dark-carvers get bolts.
Unfortunatilly, light-debuff-nukers get PBAoE.
Retardedly, spirit-body cabs get an un-dmging AoE snare on the same timer as roots, and the lowest dmging base nuke in the game. Go figure.

(and my siggy on the guild forums just shows my cap dmg and the most I can lifetap for, which is more than any other lifetap in the game <giggles> (well, except dark-sm's which has a slightly higher delve.. ..but apart from that)
(though with a crit on a grey mob.. anything is possible http://loe.effectus.dk/Asysh/mobtap.jpg)

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Afaik Rashan went high spirit for last body debuff and rest in body. Get some + body for less variance, and combined with 50% debuff you're laughing

 

[Saturnine]

Asysh = 45body/22spirit/19matter
Rashan = 47spirit/26body/5matter

We nuke for pretty much the same on people of average resists (30ish body) - Any lower, Asysh hits harder. Any more, Rashan hits harder (generally, there is some varience). However, body has more utility with a better disease and enough matter for nearsight. The pets can duel eachother and its pretty much 50/50 on which one wins so the pet buffs arn't that different.

Could people stop saying spirit is uber just because runemaster/chanters are. It does give strong nukes and it is a perfectly viable spec. But there are many consequences and side-effects that compramise it. I am speaking from experience and experimentation and trying to give people a fair knowledge of exactly what each spec will get them in for. In theory spirit should be good but due to the poor power of the base-nuke and the bugs etc. with the spirit-spec spells: its not really worth it.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

I guess body is more fun levelling up aswell

 

[bult]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Asysh = 45body/22spirit/19matter
Rashan = 47spirit/26body/5matter

We nuke for pretty much the same on people of average resists (30ish body) - Any lower, Asysh hits harder. Any more, Rashan hits harder (generally, there is some varience). However, body has more utility with a better disease and enough matter for nearsight. The pets can duel eachother and its pretty much 50/50 on which one wins so the pet buffs arn't that different.

Could people stop saying spirit is uber just because runemaster/chanters are. It does give strong nukes and it is a perfectly viable spec. But there are many consequences and side-effects that compramise it. I am speaking from experience and experimentation and trying to give people a fair knowledge of exactly what each spec will get them in for. In theory spirit should be good but due to the poor power of the base-nuke and the bugs etc. with the spirit-spec spells: its not really worth it.

All RvR groups got atleast 1 theurgist wich are usually specced 45 air 26 earth a 209 DD with debuff does really good damage so trading the utility in body for debuffs making cabalist viable for gank groups is a good tradeoff.

 

[Saturnine]

Not really, the damage you add to the theurgs nukes (about 250) is less than the amount of damage you'd do if you just nuked yourself anyway.

 

[Tilda]

what about a split spec to get a slightly better debuff, but also a slighter better nuke, or would that just not be worth it?

ok a few options i came up with:

38 body, 19 matter, 33 spirit

or the traditional 45b, 19m, 22s

i think my problem is knowing which to choose between

45b, 19m, 22s

and

20b, 19m, 46s

heeelllllppp meeee.

thanks

Tilda

 

[Saturnine]

The 2nd best body-debuff and 2nd best nuke combo unfortunatilly is awkward. The 35 spec-nuke hits for slightly less than the 45 base one. So your basically choosing between 30% debuff and 40-odd body spec, or a 50% debuff and 30-odd body spec, using the same 140delve nuke either way.

I must say I'd thought about the potential of this spec and still mean to do some experimnets. But I think if your going spirit you're best to go full-hog and just take 48s/28b or the 45b/22s/19m body-spec.

Don't even think about 20body, 19matter, 46spirit. You need (not should have, need) as much body-spec as you can for it to work. If your going full spirit spec you have to sacrifice the nearsights.

(annoying isn't it )

 

[Tilda]

yeah it is annoying.
if you could respec, what would you respec too? and why? ot would you stay as you are atm?

Tilda

 

[Saturnine]

I'm slightly tempted to re-spec to spirit just to see how the nukes are. But loosing the big aoe disease, nearsight, (the puny-aoe dot for milegates ) and the high-lifetapping would frustrate me too much. If you want a cabalist-nuker, the best spec is 45body/22spirit/19matter. Spirit is fun for mabey an alt char or something but if its your main: you're sacrificing too much for it to be worth it.

Picking up a couple of levels of wild-archana is also handy, you can get crit-resist debuffs and when you do, you noticed a biiiig difference in nuke damage

 

[Tilda]

yeah i know
although WA 5 is NOT worth it at all, the crits arn't much higher than WA4.
i tried 45 body and 3 spirit rest matter but the resists were insane. I was thinking baout respeccing to body ot spirit just for a joke as my reaver is not my new main, but tbh im not at all sure.

how often do you use your debuff? and isnt it just easier to cast another nuke?

Tilda

 

[Saturnine]

The debuff casts a lot quicker than normal nukes and if you use the meleedebuff-shout to interupt (should your target be a caster), the pair make a great opener reducing your targets ability to retaliate quickly and increasing the power of your own nukes. The spec lifetap delves for 179 which is the same value as the hibernia casters base nuke (go figure) so you really need to use the debuff to see decent damage from it.

 

[opoc]

Originally posted by Saturnine
With big-debuff.
http://loe.effectus.dk/Asysh/BigDamage.jpg

Heh that looks like usual site of albs waiting at apk until they got enough people to zerg emain since they wont go unless there even number of people - ever alb needs to holds hand with another before entering hib....wonder if thats just a rule of the tongue or if its written anywheres

 

[Saturnine]

Or we were waiting for guildies to port though to join us... but lets not hijack the thread thank you very much

 

[Tilda]

does the melee debuff shout interupt QC, because i didnt think it did, but the Therugists one does iirc.

Tilda

 

[Saturnine]

I use it all the time and 9 times out of 10 it'll interupt. Very handy.

 

[Tilda]

ok, another questions about the debuff?

its 15% at 23 (22?)

how does it work, say a hib has 60% body resists, what would the debuff take the hib down to?
45% or 15%?

maths isnt my strong point, but this is confusing.

also, with the 50% debuff, will that halve someones resists, or take them down 50?

I realy dont understand how they work

Tilda

 

[Saturnine]

This is a dodgy topic
Bassically, the higher the persons resists, the bigger the difference you'll find between a normal nuke and a debuff nuke.

With mastery of magery 2, here's some experiments between body and spirit cabalists, with no acuity buffs.

Asysh (174delve, 15% debuff) (206 int)
Rashan (140delve, 50% debuff) (220 int)

On 29% body resist.
Asysh: 352 (-35), 352 (-35), 352 (-35)
Rashan: 318 (+74), 321 (+91), 358 (+96)
(No debuff)
Asysh: 290 (-97), 290 (-97), 290 (-97)
Rashan: 183 (-61), 172 (-58), 219 (-73)


On 34% body resist.
Asysh: 332 (-54), 332 (-54), 332 (-54)
Rashan: 351 (+85), 290 (+71), 334 (+82)

As you can see, the larger debuff gives overall (+) dmg where the 15% debuff still has (-) dmg. However, due to the poor power of the base nuke, and the modest degree of varience, spirit-spec is generally less effective than body-spec.

 

[vestax]

ouch.. brain hurts..

<goes back to sleep>

 

[Tilda]

tis a tricky thing to decide.
I still cant make my mind up

 

[Saturnine]

May as well stay matter: really you don't nuke for much more than a theurg or necro, aoe disease doesn't leech any rp's (and the 44 version is only marginally better (in radius, str debuff and radius) than the 24 version.. and you miss out on strong aoe dots and nearsight - which cabs are most known for.

And when you realise bonedancers are just the same as you but with perma-moc, its a silly spec really