BW problems

[old.Stabs]

Uhm, ... we all know theres problems with BW admin, scoring systems fucked and the team change bug in particular.

The vast majority of people think the BW map rotation sucks and the crap maps is the biggest reason for BW's diminishing population.

People want a Kata only server and a ninjamod server.

Isnt it about time BW removed BWadmin for the moment until it can make a fix to stop all these cheaters and let us change teams.

apparently ninjamod server at least has been promised for ages but nothing has come of it and going by the popularity of Kata only server on NGUK BW would be silly not to go along the same way on that also.

BW used to be the best for T2 servers, but now tribes seems to be the forgotten game in the barrysworld camp, nothing ever seems to get done as far as T2 is concerned and BW is slowly losing its foothold as the no 1 server provider. Someone in BW needs to take the, relatively short amount of time required to do these chages or appoint someone who will, and who cares about the T2 community. Atm it seems attending to necessary T2 changes is treated as a chore for the BW staff.

get rid of the custom map servers, i dont know who chose them but its a very poor selection (particularly warpigs, the ice level with floating base + 100 turrets, and the underwater one) with only about 2 of the maps on the rotation even close to providing an interesting game. There are far superior custom maps out at the moment, but i dont hold out any hope of them being added to a custom map server so i say just get rid of them.

Look at the yautja server, while it was working it was nearly always full, simply because it had a far superior map rotation, and yautja only had 4 maps!

BW is cutting off its nose to spite its face by keeping maps like recal and thin ice in rotation just to appease one or 2 newbies, while the experience players move elsewere.

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

Amen bruvva!

 

[MYstIC G]

No offence but BW isn't like NGUK. Afaik the original maps for every game are always left in the map rotations because they all ship with the game.

With regards to the mods you mention I've personally never even heard of them so they can't be that popular

 

[Fergus]

All very true and relevant, although answers to all can be given, 'cept I'm at work and don't have time to respond atm, will do when I get home tho.

Mystic, shush

Ferg.

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

I dont think it matters that BW is not like NGUK. Just ignore the fact that it was NGUK for a second and look at the games it ran.

The simple fact is that their ideas were VERY popular. Seems like some real weird coporate strategy to not do the said popular thing.

Its just common sense IMHO.

 

[old.Stabs]

when NGUK was most popular gaming server, all 3 of its ninjamod servers were almost always full, infact im pretty sure NGUK had as much, if not more full Ninjamod servers than it had full base servers.

I know BW isnt NGUK but it doesnt change the fact that most all of the good players leave the server when recal and thin ice come up in the rotation. Keeping the bad maps in rotation, just because "they all ship with the game" is a rather narrow vision, they are bad maps especially for public play and TBH they are killing BW popularity. I personally get tired of having to leave the server everytime crap maps come up because all the decent players have already left.

Not saying BW should do it just to be like NGUK, personally i disliked their 48 player servers and VO servers, but the map rotation meant i never had to jump between servers all the time.

If thin ice and recal were realeased as custom maps today noone would touch them with a barge pole, this clinging on to them just because theyre "official" is only doing BW harm. I wouldnt expect any server to have to run Thin ice any more than id expect them to run Devils elbow or Pantheon because they are kinda official (though pantheon looks fun, like a faster paced reversion).

 

[Scouse]

Frankly - I like thin ice.

The only reason it sucks on pubbies is because teamplay in T2 has reached the same level as a Q3 deathmatch. There is practically none and the map, to be any fun at all, requires loads.

Probably why I haven't played T2 for 2 months then

 

[old.{EMS}Santro]

T/Ice + Recales + Public Server = crap! I've only actually played one game on these maps that I enjoyed on the pubbies. Bring back the "Kata only" server idea - it was always full - I could never get in it!
<.rant>Tribes 2 is rapidly going down the drain. It needs someone to get hold of it and sort it out - most of the BW servers are empty all day long! I don't ever remember the T1 servers being that quiet. What we need are some dynamic (scuse the pun) ideas to bring the fun back into public playing. I don't have a problem with noobies, the trouble comes when they dry up - that's when all this will end. <./end rant>

 

[fatgit]

"No offence but BW isn't like NGUK. Afaik the original maps for every game are always left in the map rotations because they all ship with the game. "

So all CS servers run all CS maps ? A quick look shows that isnt the case Dust, Nuke & Militia Only, CS only, DE only....
Q3 - BarrysWorld - Rocket Arena 3 (1) - RA3Map1 Only

BS/Scara were removed from T1 rotations

BWadmin badly needs sorting. Pubby admins cant admin, scorings b0rked, players joining . team etc.
Imagine the uproar if it was CS having this prob....

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by fatgit
So all CS servers run all CS maps ? A quick look shows that isnt the case Dust, Nuke & Militia Only, CS only, DE only....

Those are all official maps, you dont see the DE only server without de_dust do you? No you don't.

Yours is incorrect comparison anyway as the T2 servers are already themselves divided in similar fashions into CTF, Hunters, etc anyway.

 

[old.KmA_MANTIS]

Methinks this thread is a waste of time.

Nice try though Stabz (again).

If people cant accept the plainly obvious fact that a few things need changing - it aint ever gonna happen.

 

[old.Stabs]

"Those are all official maps, you dont see the DE only server without de_dust do you? No you don't. "

For a start dust is not kept in all DE server because its official, but because its pretty much recognised as one of, if not THE most popular maps in CS.

You will see DE only servers with some of the publically recognised "bad" maps removed, dust is not one of those.

Yours is incorrect comparison anyway as the T2 servers are already themselves divided in similar fashions into CTF, Hunters, etc anyway.

Your paraphrasing. His comparison is correct in that other games have had undesired elements removed from rotation. Servers by game type was only the last server type he mentioned mentioned. "Dust, Nuke & Militia Only" was the other, and his first and main point i believe he was makin (btw fergot italy which i believe is still v popular?). He also mentioned T1 had official maps removed.

Im not saying BW should be reduced to 4 maps, fortunately T2 has alot more fun maps than that.

I dont know why it is you seem to automatically assume that just because its official we MUST play it. we have minds of our own, there isnt a dynamix team anymore, and if there was they arent going to come round and shut down BW for not running their maps.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by Stabs
I dont know why it is you seem to automatically assume that just because its official we MUST play it. we have minds of our own, there isnt a dynamix team anymore, and if there was they arent going to come round and shut down BW for not running their maps.

I'm making no assumption I'm just stating that BW use the standard maps, feel free to point me to where I said that you MUST play them. Yeah half of the T2 maps suck, but that doesn't mean you can just rip them out.

Its been said you shouldnt leave them in just because a few newbies might get disconnected but thats exactly why you should leave them in. You guys are the old hats, if a shit map comes up, vote it off. At least on T2 the map is likley to change, unlike on CS where the second dust appears you've got no chance of getting it swapped for something decent

 

[old.Stabs]

Yeah half of the T2 maps suck, but that doesn't mean you can just rip them out.

First off half dont suck, only a few. And you can just rip them out, furthermore BW will thrive from it.

Its been said you shouldnt leave them in just because a few newbies might get disconnected

Huh? whos talkin bout newbies getting disconned, its all the good players that leave the server, the newbies dont know any better and are happy to mindlessly bomb to 0 effect all game, or hide in base all game. Something they could do on decent maps and actually still have a game of ctf going.

You guys are the old hats, if a shit map comes up, vote it off.

Oh if only it were so easy, problem is T2's crappy voting system. Every single time Thin ice is voted off, roughly 90% of voters vote yes. Unfortunately all the newbies dont vote, so there is rarely enough votes to make it pass, even though the majority of voters clearly want to change. As soon as as vote fails people start leaving server, pure and simple, and i fail to see how this is in ANYONES interest.

At least on T2 the map is likley to change, unlike on CS where the second dust appears you've got no chance of getting it swapped for something decent

Huh, thats like saying its impossible to get Katabatic changed to something decent on T2 servers. Of course dust isnt going to get voted to be changed its the most popular map!!! If CS does have a map change vote then using dust as an example is a very bad one.

 

[MYstIC G]

frankly I can't be bothered with this anymore, this theme thread keeps appearing every few months and it always leads down the same road to nowhere

 

[old.Stabs]

Which is the same road BW is on if it doesnt change.

 

[old.Stabs]

Its exactly that kind of comment thats indicative of the apathy within the BW camp in regards to T2, nothing ever gets done, the servers are just left to rot while other games every whim arepandered too.

BW could save the Euro T2 pubby scene, as it stand theyre happy to sit by and do nothing, simply standing by and watching while the pubby servers population dwindles and eventually dies, cant help wording if perhaps its what theyd like, less use of bandwidth = less costs, and they can just put it down to the fact that T2 pubby isnt popular. when in fact it is they themselves which are killing it through inaction.

 

[MYstIC G]

BW Camp aint something I'm a part of Stabs so you can scratch that idea for a start m8

 

[old.Stabs]

I never said you were, my point was that this subject has been comming up over, and over again, and nothing gets done.

 

[old.{EMS}Santro]

I'm with you Stabs - it does make me suspicious about the lack of enthusiasm for T2. As for the voting system, I'm as guilty as a lot of others of dropping - the minute the votes start to fail on Thin Ice and Recal. They aren't fun maps for me on a public server - even when playing with a collection of m8's. Both of these maps require decent cooperation which just doesn't seem possible with a certain amount of public players.
Funny thing is, we have our own BW server (although the performance of it has been shocking thus far) and I would love to be able to upgrade this to a public account - then we could see just how popular a decent map rotation actually is within the community.