Buffing idea

kirennia

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Anyonelse fed up of buffing? Had an idea just now, it's not completely refined but that's the point of the thread. Not only is buffing boring but alchemy is also in need of some love which is why I propose the following :p

Buffing orbs! Creatable at 1000alchemy, costing roughly 20gold per one.

Different kinds of orb can be made which all take up the name of the baseline trainers in your realm. They essentially do the exact same thing but can be filled with any kinds of buffs you like. The names are only there to help you keep track of what each orb is filled with.

So you summon the empty orb (in non-rvr zones only) bought from an alchemist and basically, you just buff it up (buffable only by the caster). Once buffed up, you go to a 'buffeting NPC' found in most towns (including castle sauvage and snowdonia fortress. Once there, you right click the NPC and a pop-up box asking if you want to exchange your pet orb for 20 FULL orbs costing a further 20gold comes up. Upon clicking accept, the NPC will make it into 20 FULL orbs, all of which have the buffing effects which you cast on it. Once the orbs are full, you cannot trade them.

From here on in, you simply /use the orbs on the person you wish to buff up with the stored buffs and after a 10 second casting animated delay, if you had enough concentration left, all of the buffs are transfered onto the person highlighted. The /use is of course on a different timer to normal /use items to avoid having to wait for 2minutes per time you do it.

Same concept for a single realm target buff but for your group instead. A 'group buffeting orb' whereby you cast one spell on it and can hand it over for an orb which in turn, when you /use it, after 10 seconds can do that single buff on everyone in the group.

Sound like a fair, non-rvr unbalancing idea? Would mean just a couple of clicks instead of a lot every time you want to buff up. It'd solve buffing for not only primary buffers but for champion level buffs, hastes etc etc....

Further ideas anyone?
 

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I'd like something like this:
Allow a list of players to click on your shammy or hastebot and you can list the players in a priority list by name or guild.
Now when the player clicks on your buffbot, it AUTO hands out the boofs :>
You set it up so that by each persons name, a certain boof or boofs are given.

So fred comes along, clicks on hastebot, et voila, he has it, no need to pm you after initial contact and your life is easier.
Same on shammy - person clicks on it and in 10 seconds, all the boofs are given and you are free to do what you like instead of alt tabbing to pc number 2 or 2nd DAOC instance and risking being killed in those few seconds.

I also like the buying of boofs idea.

Oli - Illu
 

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I would love if buffing was made easier, or the simply removed it. Make a buffing NPC, once you done some quests (or pay double subs) you can get ur buffs by clicking on the NPC, stupid system as it is now.
 

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make all buffs groupcastable for the buffers imo, that way shearing aint so bad actually. Shearing is just plain stupid since nobody likes buffing. Or, at least make it so that shearing just put a disable (greys it out) on a buff for a certain amount of time, like, red=1min cancelled buff, yellow=45s cancelled buff, etc.

I just dont understand where Mythic got the idea that people loves to buff all the time, we stop every 20th minute to do resists already and thats enough.
 

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I was thinking something about pet system also

only for Pve < an orb that u can save ur pet and go to long distances if u need a horse or teleport to the same region many times pets dieing if u port and the pet find a dificulty on his road and even more classes like minstrels mentalists loosing their pet if they move in long distance from it thats a great pain for the pet users.>

ofc thats all a correction on pve system they maybe not like to save a templar to an orb right? :) but ofc that would help on Boat rides that the pet takes ages to come :)
 

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when it converts into 20 orbs where are they gonna go? what person has 20 inventory slots free?
 

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Bahumat said:
when it converts into 20 orbs where are they gonna go? what person has 20 inventory slots free?
could be like a barrel u know, and use it and u get all the buffs :p
 

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Shike said:
make all buffs groupcastable for the buffers imo, that way shearing aint so bad actually. Shearing is just plain stupid since nobody likes buffing. Or, at least make it so that shearing just put a disable (greys it out) on a buff for a certain amount of time, like, red=1min cancelled buff, yellow=45s cancelled buff, etc.

I just dont understand where Mythic got the idea that people loves to buff all the time, we stop every 20th minute to do resists already and thats enough.
oh boy id like to meet ur grp with one of my casters, nuking on less than 26% :p
 

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I've never had a problem pressing about 8 buttons tbh :s
 

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I agree buffing is a pain in the grass,maybe when you release you can get to keep em would be ho such a joy:fluffle:
 

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Dont like the idea at all. very cumbersome to setup for something that isnt that annoying as it is. Some of us enjoy the challenge of buffing sheared targets or the recently rezzed midfight.
 

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auroria said:
oh boy id like to meet ur grp with one of my casters, nuking on less than 26% :p

No he just has uber template with 100% spell duration bonus :eek6:
 

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just put in a npc who can buff everybody then ppl who cant afford a bb acc or run it because not everybody has a computer that can duel log in rvr or 2 computers an tbh its really unfair for those who cant.. i would die with out my bb so really feel bad for those who cant run one or has one :(
 

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Would be great npc buffbots but how would you think the bb will heal your pet or reboof your new pet when u are deeop inside toa farming scrolls etc...

You want a npc bb on command like a pet menu with stay, gaurd, follow options etc? Might be good in PvE area's but how you get them too PoC etc etc... And the whole concept off bb's is kinda gay..

Its stooppid you get more or less forced too have more then 1 account because most classes are totally useless without buffs... Yeas i can leach buffs and noooo noone forces me to get a buffbot.. But it is illegal to give out your account information to anyone is it not? so i technically would not be allowed too use a mates buffbot. So therefore mythic/goa forced everyone too buy double game copies and pay for 2 subs just so they can play the game reasonably competitive.. CRIMINALS i say ;)
 

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Buffbots are the big pink elephant on the board table that Mythic pretends isn't there.
Friends who play WoW and Eve say 'whooahhh nice game' when I show them daoc vids and are all up for playing till they learn about buffbots, then their reaction is 'pay for 2 accounts? fuck that'

What about an NPC or even an alchemist ability that can imbue a buff of your choice onto an armour piece (crafted, dropped or even arti), that gives the buff when the armour piece is worn, kinda like the resist buffs on gsv or champ weapons.
6 armour pieces would give me base str, con and dex as well as spec haste dex/qui and con/str.

It'll never happen though
 

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>.< Pooned said:
I was thinking something about pet system also

only for Pve < an orb that u can save ur pet and go to long distances if u need a horse or teleport to the same region many times pets dieing if u port and the pet find a dificulty on his road and even more classes like minstrels mentalists loosing their pet if they move in long distance from it thats a great pain for the pet users.>

ofc thats all a correction on pve system they maybe not like to save a templar to an orb right? :) but ofc that would help on Boat rides that the pet takes ages to come :)

AKA, everquest pet system? hehe

Bahumat said:
when it converts into 20 orbs where are they gonna go? what person has 20 inventory slots free?

They'd stack...sorry, thought I'd typed that in my first post.

eggy said:
I've never had a problem pressing about 8 buttons tbh :s

It doesn't annoy you doing champion level resists every time you stop for 20 seconds? :p

Ballard said:
Dont like the idea at all. very cumbersome to setup for something that isnt that annoying as it is. Some of us enjoy the challenge of buffing sheared targets or the recently rezzed midfight.

That's still an option. Not saying that's the ONLY way of buffing, just an optional extra. The idea was to make buffing from scratch at your borderkeep a lot easier if you're fully buffing a class. I was trying to make up an idea which wouldn't effect mid fight buffing at all :p

Phooka said:
Would be great npc buffbots but how would you think the bb will heal your pet or reboof your new pet when u are deeop inside toa farming scrolls etc...


Okay, I think some people misinterpreted the idea. I wouldn't want to eradicate normal buffing as well, just make this an optional extra to save the annoyance of multiple buffing at your border keep or indeed, in pve too.

It'd be intended mostly for people who have died and need ALL their buffs again, hence the suggested longer casting time so that it IS still quicker to just single rebuff sheared targets.
 

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Would rather have an NPC with the ability to "combine" buffs.
Bit like the Warlock chamber but with more spells in it (only able to load buffs).
That way you can for instance put d/q, dex, int, con, str/con, spec AF into one and you could buff someone in 1 go without having to do every buff seperatly(sp?).
Then you could make 3, 1 for casters (with int included) and 1 for tanks (base str included) and 1 for support.
That way if someone dies you only need to press the spell and you insta buff him up to full instead of standing there casting, buffing can't be interrupted anyway (cept in PvE) so shouldn't have that big of an impact and would help out loads.
 

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Oh and don't remove buff shear that's a bad idea :(
I mean if you get zerged by a FG stealthers atleast let us shearers have the joy of knowing those stealthers have to go back and buff after you just MoC'ed sheared them all just before they killed you.
 

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you want this game really easy?

if you cant rebuff in a fight you are obviously pretty shit :\ screw more easy ways of buffing.


if you are a stealther, its a different matter, but 8v8 wise you should be able to rebuff fine :\
 

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auroria said:
oh boy id like to meet ur grp with one of my casters, nuking on less than 26% :p

Hmm, I am not quite sure what you actually meant with that :) Clarify please. FYI I have all sists capped on my BM! :fluffle:

edit: oh, right, 10 min on sists! :/

I hate drooding... so much so I even forget what timers stuff is on
 

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Shike said:
Hmm, I am not quite sure what you actually meant with that :) Clarify please. FYI I have all sists capped on my BM! :fluffle:

edit: oh, right, 10 min on sists! :/

I hate drooding... so much so I even forget what timers stuff is on
:p;)
 

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zomg why is buffing hard? you still have to wait for RS, or if you have cure rs.. you still need to change acc..

buffing takes like 30 sec.. rs is like 5 min
 

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i think its a good idea to create special stones usable with no timer to give baseline and specline buffs like on the freeshards
So people without bb's can be buffed too
maybe 5g per stone craft cost for baselines
10 g per stone for speclines
 

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Emmet said:
zomg why is buffing hard? you still have to wait for RS, or if you have cure rs.. you still need to change acc..

buffing takes like 30 sec.. rs is like 5 min

Himse said:
you want this game really easy?

if you cant rebuff in a fight you are obviously pretty shit :\ screw more easy ways of buffing.


if you are a stealther, its a different matter, but 8v8 wise you should be able to rebuff fine :\

Learn to read.....casting EB on every group member wasnt exactly 'difficult' to do either, it's just a pain in the arse. Group EB made life just a lot easier, removing the monotony of rebuffing it. This is the same concept.

Andrilyn said:
Would rather have an NPC with the ability to "combine" buffs.
Bit like the Warlock chamber but with more spells in it (only able to load buffs).
That way you can for instance put d/q, dex, int, con, str/con, spec AF into one and you could buff someone in 1 go without having to do every buff seperatly(sp?).
Then you could make 3, 1 for casters (with int included) and 1 for tanks (base str included) and 1 for support.
That way if someone dies you only need to press the spell and you insta buff him up to full instead of standing there casting, buffing can't be interrupted anyway (cept in PvE) so shouldn't have that big of an impact and would help out loads.

This is the kinda thing I was trying to suggest, not to effect rvr in any way but just to remove the boringness of pressing 8 buttons in succession. I'm glad at least a few people have grasped the idea of the thread :)
 

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Emmet said:
zomg why is buffing hard? you still have to wait for RS, or if you have cure rs.. you still need to change acc..

buffing takes like 30 sec.. rs is like 5 min
Aren't you one of those that begs for buffs at the portal keep?
 

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K.I.S.S.-principle please, this was far too complicated to understand :)
 

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