Bonedancers - Which race?

[Suedish]

Which race should you choose for BD's?
Is the damage output based on STR or DEX? I'm going full supp if anyone thought otherwise.

Shoot.

 

[Marcus75]

If I rerolled and made a bonedancer to get higher hp then I would choose a troll as most do - but when SI came out I choosed valkyn since it was the new race and so far I havnt been disappointed.

Spell damage is based on piety and staff (melee) is based on dex afaik.

 

[dozigden]

Pick the one you want to play.

 

[Suedish]

I wouldn't have made this post if i was to simply "pick the one i want to play". But thanks for a very creative answer dozigden, loverly.

 

[froler-mid]

troll for the hps

 

[Fafnir]

Depends on the spec your after, since no mid race yet has any + to pie. So if you goin for the other line and not supp for 1 button for the win. Then kobbie perhaps for higher cast speed, but all races are ok to be bd.

 

[Suedish]

Hmm i see.
So is the staffdamage output based on Strength of Dex?

That's my major concern cause if its STR then Troll would be my choice and if it's DEX i wont have to reroll my Valkyn BD i got atm =)

And yeah, im definately going full Supp

 

[froler-mid]

dont use staff with bd, will get evaded(dragonfang infils...etc.. )

spam insta lifedrain body debuff, and take loads of dmg (=troll best for high hps)

 

[Makwaerk]

kobold imo... there is more to BD then just to spam insta LT .. there really is!! go for cast speed imo

 

[Groborthir]

My BD is RR6L6, and my biggest mistake ever was to roll it as a troll.

If ever I get a /respec race, I will definately pick the kobold as race. Small size matters in RvR. Besides, BD dmg output is only high when you add your baseline darkness DD to your lifedrain, so you want high dexterity for faster casting speed.

And where the difference in hitpoints might be useful while leveling your BD between the kobold and troll, this difference becomes obscenely irrelevant in end game RvR, where you'll be having SC'ed equipment and buffs and whatnot. I say in all honesty that the ~80-90 more hp the troll gets as opposed to the ~70'ish more dexterity the kobold gets that you're better of as a kobold. The extra 80 hitpoints means **** all when you're target no. 1 in every fight. And, well, I hardly think that it will make any difference if your average gimped melee'r can hit you for one more hit on the troll as opposed to the kobold will matter. The faster DD's will matter, on the other hand.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Suedish
Hmm i see.
So is the staffdamage output based on Strength of Dex?

That's my major concern cause if its STR then Troll would be my choice and if it's DEX i wont have to reroll my Valkyn BD i got atm =)

And yeah, im definately going full Supp

Well staff is dex based, had alot of fun in thid with a staffblade But as froler said, not against infils

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Trolls are ugly, kobolds are uglier, valkyns are :lol:. Go tröll4tehwin!

 

[Cush]

PFF!!!.. Kobolds are the sexeh... just look at me

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

I did. uke:

 

[Brunore]

Groborthir is right, dont pick a troll.

If you do you will go down faster than Ardrias in a gay bar when you come up to hib/alb as your the first target.

My BD is a troll, I wanna kobbeh!!1

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

My bonedancer is kobold. Nice cast speed, harder to hit and click on in a fight. At lvl50 the difference in HP with items and buffs isn't perhaps as much as the difference in having a fast casting toon. Esepcially now that bonedancers have access to a lvl50 baseline nuke with a base cast of 2.6 seconds before anything else is factored in.

Short answer is...

... what Grob said

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Why how nice of you Brunore

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Oh yeh, nearly forgot:

when I made my kobby I put quite a lot of points into con, as I knew it would be getting down and dirty in fights.

 

[old.Schenton]

I have a lvl 50 Valkyrn BD and fully SCd gear. With max Con and max +HP (started whit +10 con) my BD now have 1000 HP unbuffed. That's a lott less than my lvl 50 Dwarf RM.

Go for Kobold.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Brunore
If you do you will go down faster than Ardrias in a gay bar when you come up to hib/alb as your the first target.

 

[Sharma]

Valkyns only have 5 less con than a kobbie.

GO VALKYN!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

 

[dozigden]

Go with the race youre asthetically happy with

The end stat differences are negligable...

Staff is based on DEX - but has been pointed out you wont be swinging it, your unstyled damage will be hardly noticable for 20 points either way.

The few extra hit points on a troll will be offset by fractionally lower piety meaning youll have slightly weaker lifetap.

The lifetap is your main tool but completely unaffacted by DEX as its insta.

Therefore I conclude, in my opinion, the only thing that matters is what the race looks like. Its down to personal choice, the min/maxers are never going to completely settle on one race.

 

[Nonnier]

Race isn't important really, i chose kobbie because i started him before SI (he was meant to be a SM, but decided to make him a BD)

staff is a last resort weapon, quick cast is a BDs friend

i wouldn't go troll, low dex means low cast speed, and i can get 1456 HPs on my kobbie buffed, which isn't bad (its damn nice really)

 

[Brunore]

Race is important as trolls are a big fuck off thing blocking out the light and are ALWAYS first to target as albs/hibs hate BD's and troll ones are easier to target.

go kobbie and LTfortehwin!!1 with more chance of not getting spotted

 

[Jeron]

Originally posted by Brunore
If you do you will go down faster than Ardrias in a gay bar when you come up to hib/alb as your the first target.

Tihi

 

[Petronella]

Originally posted by Brunore
Groborthir is right, dont pick a troll.

If you do you will go down faster than Ardrias in a gay bar when you come up to hib/alb as your the first target.

Sorry Ardrias... but damn that funny hahah

 

[Suedish]

Originally posted by dozigden
Go with the race youre asthetically happy with

The end stat differences are negligable...

Staff is based on DEX - but has been pointed out you wont be swinging it, your unstyled damage will be hardly noticable for 20 points either way.

The few extra hit points on a troll will be offset by fractionally lower piety meaning youll have slightly weaker lifetap.

The lifetap is your main tool but completely unaffacted by DEX as its insta.

Therefore I conclude, in my opinion, the only thing that matters is what the race looks like. Its down to personal choice, the min/maxers are never going to completely settle on one race.

Thanks mate, a much better answer =)
I suppose my Valkyn BD will do quite fine, if i would reroll i suppose Kobbie would be the way to go cause of their size (or rather lack of size).

 

[dozigden]

The whole "albs/hibs will go for a troll BD first cos theyre easy to target" is, in my opinion, part of the job you do as a BD.

BDs are never going to take people down fast, the advantage is your survivability; if you wanted damage output roll a different class, I like to think of it like this:

If 2 or 3 of the enemies group go for me at the start of a fight ill probably live for a round or 2 - Ive effectively neutralised a significant portion of the enemy group, this leaves more of my group free to deal with less of their group, that make sense?

BDs are a defensive, survivable caster, what benefit is that if people arent attacking you? Your survivability should be a tool you use to your groups advantage, not just a way to stay alive longer to leech more rps...

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by dozigden

The few extra hit points on a troll will be offset by fractionally lower piety meaning youll have slightly weaker lifetap.

The lifetap is your main tool but completely unaffacted by DEX as its insta.

1) There's no difference in piety between the troll and kobold.
2) Unless you're one of those one button spammers who thinks lifedrain will be all you'll ever need, dex is actually just as important as piety and constitution, because it affects casting speed. And a delve 123 dmg on the lifedrain with a theoretical casting speed of 4 seconds, the BD has the worst damage output of all spellcasters in this game, so you need to be able to cast your darkness DD's fast. On top of that, a swiftly cast root may save your arse on more than one occasion.

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by dozigden

BDs are a defensive, survivable caster, what benefit is that if people arent attacking you? Your survivability should be a tool you use to your groups advantage, not just a way to stay alive longer to leech more rps...

If you get an assist train of albs on you, you will survive for just as long as the RM or SM next to you, because you are also in cloth, you are also on caster hitpoint table, and you are also a very popular target. It's not a matter of leeching RP, it's a matter of having fun and being able to perform your duties as a class in a group. And you're not able to if you are lying face down eating the green grass of Emain.

The BD survivability can only be taken into consideration if you are able to survive for more than the 4 seconds it takes for you to get your LT timer up and for your healer pets to cast their first heal. If you survive 2 rounds - which is the same as an SM or RM, and which is less than 4 seconds - why on earth did you then pick the BD, the caster class with the worst damage output in the game? If you are a martyr, a caster willing to sacrifice himself for the group, why didn't you pick a caster with a much higher potential to deal proper damage?