BLAAH i say

[segmudthrall]

Why is it? "shield" "use shiled" "why don't u use shield?" BLAAH
i like my 2h axe it's good 4 chopping alb heads.
am i right or am i right?
and what good is shield 2 u when u r mezzed.
usually it goes like this i get 1 or 2 hits then
mezz.... dead... so i ask why on earth i should use shield
and only do like 120dmg per hit (with styles)
when i can use 2h axe and do about 400dmg (with styles).

and another thing "free speech 4 the dum" but not in
Alliance chat =)


Segmud Thrall the lvl 42 "addicted to Daoc"
Warrior Dwarf

 

[slapmesilly..]

If you want to be offensive make a 2-handed hammer Thane... and this is no joke..

The only time I saw a warrior using a 2-hander was with Harmless (guildmate), when we had to finish mobs quikly, and because I healed him it was of no importantce to him to block any blows.

 

[Taggart]

Well if i was a warrior id probally go 2 hand, just as i would go 2 hand or pole with a armsman. With your class you can do alot more damage in melee than say a thane, with a thane or a paladin id go shield seeing how they wont do amazing damage in melee.

As for allaince chat, ive never used it, i cant be arsed with all the crap that goes on between guilds, ill leave that to other people to sort out and ill just go along with the plan and kill peeps(or try )

 

[Solid]

If you are refering to exping, a pure tanks role is to HOLD AGGRO and help REDUCE downtime between kills.

Noone does this better than a high shield specced warrior.

I dont see the problem, Warriors usually go 50 weapon, 50 shield rest parry or 50 weapon, 42 shield rest parry.

Any warrior not getting slam is a tad gimped imo, you only have 3 viable lines to spec and can spec ALL of them over 40 if you wanted.

 

[Hjod]

As an Thane, I spec shield cause I want Slam, but I use my 2h Cleaver often, cause the high dmg, when I need to finish mobs off quick and easy

 

[SilverHood]

I'd like a lvl 50 axe warrior on midgard to compare damage with me.... I bet I'll be alble to hit harder than him using my 2H axe with my buffs on....

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Well, the role of the tank is to stay alive and protect the group isnt it? Nothing a 2H Thane does very well

Dont get me wrong, I think 2H is great (That's why I gimped myself with it) but with everyone in epic armor, you dont do the huge dmg anymore, and all those pbt's really screw things up for someone swinging a slow weapon.

A kobold shield warrior is the best tank in Midgård, and this not due to being able to hit hard twice, and then die. No, instead he lives long enough to deal lots damage over time.

 

[Solid]

So any warriors/thanes wanan rise to SilverHood's challenge and post some cap damage logs against greys? Include your spec, stats and level (50 being ideal) and the weapon you use (posting effective DPS and bonus and speed)

for eg I will post my stats and get logs later this evening of my cap damage vs greys.

2H

Str 240 (Self Buffed)
Qui 88
Hammer spec 56
Hammer 99% Shimmering Arcanium Great Hammer
DPS 16.0 effective
SPD 5.3

[Damage Logs to come]

2H

2H

Str 240 (Self Buffed)
Qui 88
Hammer spec 60
Hammer Dread Soul Splitter
DPS 16.3 effective
SPD 3.3

[Damage Logs to come]

 

[old.Noita]

Oooooh the boys are getting their "weapons" out....c'mon grrlz screenies ... lots of

 

[Solid]

K did some damage logs with 3 doff hammers and 2 diff stats for Qui

Results below.

*** Chat Log Opened: Sun Oct 06 18:19:49 2002

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Legion Hammer
Level 51, 16.5dps (clamped 16.2)
100% Quality
35% Bonus
3.3 Speed
240 Str, 110 Qui, 60 Hammer
1160 Weapon Skill
===================================

[18:19:54] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:19:54] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+583)
[18:19:54] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 274 damage!
[18:19:58] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:19:58] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+602)
[18:19:58] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 274 damage!

===================================
Shimmering Arcanium Great Hammer
Level 50, 16.2dps (16.0 actual)
99% Quality
35% Bonus
5.3 spd
240 Str, 110 Qui, 54 hammer
1109 Weaponskill
===================================

[18:21:18] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:21:18] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+927)
[18:21:18] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 554 damage!
[18:21:18] You critical hit for an additional 393 damage!
[18:21:28] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:21:28] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+904)
[18:21:28] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 554 damage!

===================================
Shimmering Arcanium Battle Hammer
Level 50, 16.2dps (15.7 actual)
97% Quality
35% Bonus
4.1 spd
240 Str, 110 Qui, 54 hammer
1109 Weaponskill
===================================

[18:21:48] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:21:48] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+558)
[18:21:48] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 333 damage!
[18:22:11] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:22:11] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+634)
[18:22:11] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 333 damage!

===================================
Legion Hammer
Level 51, 16.5dps (clamped 16.2)
100% Quality
35% Bonus
3.3 Speed
240 Str, 88 Qui, 60 Hammer
1160 Weapon Skill
===================================

[18:23:23] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:23:23] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+588)
[18:23:23] You attack the huldu hunter with your hammer and hit for 280 damage!
[18:23:30] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:23:30] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+517)
[18:23:30] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 280 damage!

===================================
Shimmering Arcanium Great Hammer
Level 50, 16.2dps (16.0 actual)
99% Quality
35% Bonus
5.3 spd
240 Str, 88 Qui, 54 hammer
1109 Weaponskill
===================================

[18:23:39] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:23:39] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+840)
[18:23:39] You attack the huldu stalker with your hammer and hit for 562 damage!
[18:23:44] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:23:44] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+852)
[18:23:44] You attack the huldu hunter with your hammer and hit for 562 damage!

===================================
Shimmering Arcanium Battle Hammer
Level 50, 16.2dps (15.7 actual)
97% Quality
35% Bonus
4.1 spd
240 Str, 88 Qui, 54 hammer
1109 Weaponskill
===================================

[18:45:19] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:45:19] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+158)
[18:45:19] You attack the plated fiend with your hammer and hit for 339 (+42) damage!
[18:45:21] You prepare to perform a Provoke!
[18:45:23] You perform your Provoke perfectly. (+169)
[18:45:23] You attack the plated fiend with your hammer and hit for 339 (+45) damage!

*** Chat Log Closed: Sun Oct 06 18:24:18 2002

Now to normalise to show damage as would be for 100% crafted weapons (the ones I used being a 99% 2H and a 97% 1H)

110 Qui 99% 2H = 554 damage
a 100% equivalent hammer would hit for 554/99x100 = 559

110 Qui 97% 1H = 333 damage
a 100% equivalent hammer would hit for 333/97x100 = 343

88 Qui 99% 2H = 562 damage
a 100% equivalent hammer would hit for 562/99x100 = 567

88 Qui 97% 1H = 339 damage
a 100% equivalent hammer would hit for 339/97x100 = 349

So...

Damage caps for 100% Quality 16.2dps weapons for my setup are

110 QUi
2H Arc = 559
1H Arc = 343
1H Legion = 274

88 Qui
2H Arc = 567
1H Arc = 349
1H Legion = 280.

Accounting for weaponspeeds (ie dividing the damage done by the speed of the weapon)

110 QUi
2H Arc = 559/5.3 = 105
1H Arc = 343/4.1 = 84
1H Legion = 274/3.3 = 83

88 Qui
2H Arc = 567/5.3 = 107
1H Arc = 349/4.1 = 85
1H Legion = 280/3.3 = 85

You may note that the increased damage from lower Qui is miniscule and the faster swing rate from higher Qui (22 Qui) makes you swing your weapon a tiny bit faster, more calculations would prove that I would do more damage over time with higher Qui, but thats a dofferent argument.

If anyone would like to do similar study with their class, please it would be nice to compare a Thane vs Champ, or vs Warrior or vs Paladin