beyond a joke

[chipper]

lets talk about master levels shall we

as we know some master levels have solo steps grp steps and bg steps some even have pre quests, we accept we do all but the bg steps before a planned raid to make it as short and painless as possible

lets forget about bg steps though for a mo

my problem is people who cant be assed to do these steps even with plenty of warning, and fuk up a raid for those who could be bothered and did take the time and effort to do these steps,

i mean a couple of hours notice is 1 thing a few days is another there not overly hard with the exception of 1 or 2 steps out of all 10 master levels

so a msg to all you lazy idiots who think you can just turn up to a raid and start crying about how you need such a step which wasnt going to be done by the raiders

if you dont like it tough shit dont come. im sick of 1 or 2 individuals delaying a raid of up to 6fg for long periods just becuase they want everything done for them so get off your asses and stop pissing ppl off

any raid i lead in the future will be strictly what i say in announcement before hand, if u aint done the steps which i say we are not doing tough QQ

 

[Enli]

always have been so till a raid (prolly the one that caused this thread) where idd lots of fg's just had to wait for an extra hour doing nothing

next time i'll leave such a raid, people who join accept the rules that are stated by the leaders, if u havent done the preq or dont accept lootrules ---> DONT JOIN cause u just f*ck an entire raidforce

 

[Exiled-Mighty]

its not always the fault of the ppl in the raid, sometimes the raid leader posts that its a full raid (ie FULL) and then when ppl turn up it isnt :s they get pissy

 

[Vulcan]

If this thread is aimed at me in anyway then lemme put a few people straight. I needed 8.6 & 8.10 to complete. Yea I had a bitch I asked for a few folks to help me do 8.6 which I dont think was too much to ask, considering half were off doing Kratos. Didnt need the whole 6 fgs 3 more pple in the group i was in would have done.

I put things aside & leave what im doing & help anyone. I know of a few there that couldnt be arsed to return the favours of past time...

Was I pissed? too right I was when most hadnt done a 1/4 of the steps ide done.

You wanna flame me go right ahead, bottom line is I will help anyone if im available & to be ignored except for the few that said I whined fucked me well off.

That said, thanks to those that did eventully help

 

[Enli]

i was mentioning another raid then vulcan's, no clue about it
just experienced a similar experience recently

 

[Enli]

its not always the fault of the ppl in the raid, sometimes the raid leader posts that its a full raid (ie FULL) and then when ppl turn up it isnt :s they get pissy

aye but people should read up on ml's imo
and idd thats asking a lot from the casual player but heck they are running around for weeks in Toa and havent read a thing about it?

 

[chipper]

vulcan the post was aimed at no one just observations from when ive been on raids or lead them

and i said nothing about not doing bg stages i said grp steps etc and pre reqs
and as u quite rightly pointed out in the raid u had done the grp stages.

if ppl wanna run off and do grp stages an hour before raid fair enough i wouldnt care about delaying it a few mins, if it was taking em a while. the one that really pisses me off is ppl who join when raid has started and said oh i need such a stage wihich is grp stage after having ample warning about what needed to be done those are the ppl this thread is aimed at the ones who want it all done for them.

 

[Tallen]

vulcan the post was aimed at no one just observations from when ive been on raids or lead them

and i said nothing about not doing bg stages i said grp steps etc and pre reqs
and as u quite rightly pointed out in the raid u had done the grp stages.

if ppl wanna run off and do grp stages an hour before raid fair enough i wouldnt care about delaying it a few mins, if it was taking em a while. the one that really pisses me off is ppl who join when raid has started and said oh i need such a stage wihich is grp stage after having ample warning about what needed to be done those are the ppl this thread is aimed at the ones who want it all done for them.

Only real solution is to set a start time and stick to it, those who miss the boat miss the boat.

Once the start time is reached lock the bg and only invite for ld's.

As long as the start time and the aim of the raid is clearly set-out, no one can have cause to complain:

e.g., If its a FULL raid, its 1-10, if its BG steps ONLY, then no solo steps or group steps will be done (unless the whole raid needs them), if the raid needs pre req's (such as ml3) then state that PRE-REQ'S ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS RAID.

One other solution is to set a start time for pre-req's/solo/group steps prior to the main raid so those who need them can come early, group up with others who need the steps or other raid participants who want mlxp (or just to help out), then proceed with the main raid on-time.

Whiners can either leave or stay, thats up to them, but when the raid is forced to wait while these people do steps they could have done before-hand, everyone suffers.

 

[Shangrila]

When I do a ML raid, i announce it 3-4 days in advance on FH. I always mention the steps i'm not going to do (normally all solo and group steps). This ppl got enough time to do those steps, if some are too lazy to do them, or if they dont read FH -> bad luck. I know how annoying it is if you have to delay the raid, have the ppl start afking, other cry at me all the time.. no thx.

 

[PJS]

Id post some examples from the raids Ive done but Id likely tear my hear out reliving them so I wont.

 

[Vantros of the Delerium]

hmmm can u say realm... peeps keep saying help the realm... but it seems what u mean by that is help me..... get to grips will u.... if there are some that need some other steps what harm is it in helping them??

yeah sure if its a raid for 2 steps but if afew peeps need 1 other step why not help them get it then everyone gets the whole ml?? i know peeps get tired but its not alot to ask especially when so many peeps keep spouting help the realm... or get to this ml, etc... cant do any of that without help..

anyway thats my 2 cents....

 

[chipper]

tell that to the 40 or so ppl who have to wait for something that was well organised a week ago etc and all details of the raid laid out and constant msges on /as

your post is very contradictory

you say its all about me raid ldr who ever etc well its not really is it, there helping other ppl to get there ML by leading a raid in the first place if 35/40 ppl could be assed wtf should 35 ppl have to wait for some lazy twat

on the other foot the guy who wants to do the steps which arent to be done are being selfish by making 35 ppl who did do the steps wait for 30 mins an hour 2 hours etc

yes its nice to help the realm but ppl shouldnt act like there puppets and need there strings pulling and there every move doing for them.

 

[Amadon]

if there are some that need some other steps what harm is it in helping them??

1 - the precedent it sets
2 - it wastes the time of other people on the raid, and for some steps it can be a lot of time
3 - pre-requisites should be done before coming on the raid, if they're not done, the people asking for them are showing a lack of respect for everyone else's time

yeah sure if its a raid for 2 steps but if afew peeps need 1 other step why not help them get it then everyone gets the whole ml??

Taken to the extreme, nothing would ever get completed. Taken to a realistic conclusion, raids would take 2-3 times as long, and they're hell as they are already.

i know peeps get tired but its not alot to ask

It's even less to ask people to get pre-requisites done and arrive on time.

especially when so many peeps keep spouting help the realm... or get to this ml, etc... cant do any of that without help..

the whole point of the pre-requisites is that they can be done without the BG, and for solo or group steps, it can take forever and a day to get the steps done for each person/group. This isn't about helping the realm, it's about showing respect for the raid leader and for everyone else on the raid by doing the pre-requisites and by arriving on time.