BAH lyonesse groups

[Sharma]

ok ok, logged on just now, found two tangler groupw with lvls 50s blowing the crap outta em i ask one grroup may i join please? (group of 5) no we are fine thanks, then i ask the other same reply (group of 3)

now this really agrrivated me.

same bloody thing happened to me with sharma.

same frigging reply, we are fine thanks.

COME ON FFS, 1 more person would make a MINIMAL diff to xp,

i dont really care for how shorter time it is, but 1 more person aint gonna make a diff, esp when there 9 ppl there in lyon, and niether group could inv, EVEN THOUGH in one group they had a lvl 30, the reckoned another lvl 30 would gimp the xp to hell,

i go back and ask the 5 group please may i join, 1 more person wouldnt make a diff, FFS NO FRIGGIN REPLY.

thats what made me snap and delete sharma, seriously lyon is full of xp grabbing BASTARDS who couldnt invite 1 more person, which would make any diff to xp.

soon in another patch they are making it possible to gain more xp in larger groups so after that patch theres no frigging excuse, saying "oh you would gimp the xp" no i frggin wont!

 

[old.linnet]

There's no real reason why they should powerlevel you. I'd try normal goblins at level 30.

 

[cruhar]

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how do you know that the group of 5 dont already have invited 1 or 2 more to the group ?

then it will be a large group in notime!

if a group of three is hunting and are doing fine, why should they invite more players ?

The point of manking a group larger is if you cant handle the mobs/aggro..

anyway what are you doing in Lyonesse as level 30 ?? ... its like a level 10 in keltoi ... or smillar.

if they are powerleveling a level 30 in a tanglergroup, then yes you would ruin the exp for the other level 30 ... been there, done that.

if you want a powerleveling get your own friends or ask your guild ... if you guild dont powerlevel people live with it or leave it. and cant be the problem of the other guild.

When i was powerleveling a level 22 infiltrator in barrows with my paladin, several people asked to group, and i turned all of the down, since it was a hunt for me and my friend. and inviting the other people would make me stay down there longer, and if you have ever powerleveled a guy you know how borring it is!

got three advices for uou:
1) get your own friends
2) get your guild to help you
3) Help people, help you

To all of you GMs out there:
Help the lowerlevels in your guild, meaning them who dont have a highlevel alt, I see way too many people running around at level 1-20 asking for items and money since their guilds keeps forgetting them. They cant support them selfs at that low level, many of you seems to have forgotten how expensive it is to be a lowlevel.
you spend about 2000 gold from level 1 - 50 going for armour if crafted. ½ of it you can make yourself at level 30+ but before level 30 its a real pain getting money for armour/weapons etc.

anyway what is 100 gold to a level 45? thats about 100 mobs in silver/loot! what do you spend your money at ? armour ? no, weapons ? no, Dye ? yes ? why ? you want to wear black ? why ? so you look good or so you can hide easiely ? well i understand the stealthers, but c'mon a black tank or a brown tank are just as easy to spot, but dark brown is 25 silver and black is 30 gold ?! ... 30 gold!!! thats enough to get a level 1 to level 20!

point is: help your lowlevel guildmembers ... I know you bought the game for your own joyment, but really healping others are also fun, and 10-50 gold here and there doesnt ruin anything for you as level 45.

 

[Ragnarok1978]

Tbh you can't expect being let in a group at lvl 30 in lyonesse.

I've only ever been there once or twice, but it should be about the same as in vanern swamp in midgard, the only way you see pll lower than 40 there is either because they stay right at the entrance, or they're with higher level friends.

This rant was kinda uncalled for, tho cruhars reply is a very good one.

 

[Jenkz]

until you are level 45, and sitting on tanglers, you look on at these small groups and think "WTFH!? let me in please". then you hit 45, sit at tanglers, and see 1 bub of XP coming in every 3 hours in an 8 man group, you halve the group to 4 or 5 and XP is coming in 1 bub every 1hour 30min....

groups of 6/7/8 at higher level on tanglers just dont work - to a low level that seems strange i know, but thats a simple fact. when you hit a level that XP is so pathetic in a group of 8 on tanglers you will probably understand a little more.

(age old argument - also dont nag a guild group to join... they have a right to play with their friends)

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

It really doesn't help what is going on at tanglers at the moment. The other day I logged on, and this is no joke, there were 3 seperate level 50 sorcerers PL'ing als/guildies... two on the tree patch, one on the aquaduct. In addition, there was a level 50 theurg/wizard duo powerlevelling their alts on bth the tree camp AND the island, alternating pulls to accomodate for the slow tangler repop rate. Now this really annoyed me, because the only people getting xp were those being power level... wtf!? And then, to make things worse, when my group (also and aoe group, but at least we were trying to get xp rather than power level other people) started pulling mobs, we got told to go away cos the aquaduct was someone elses camp. Anyway, an hour of xp'ing had gone nowhere (about 0.1 of a bubble), due to a horrible lack of tanglers, and when we did manage to catch one someone else did too so we got a double pull and died.

This has to stop

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

There are other xp spots besides tanglers you know.

 

[Jupitus]

Just a couple of comments.... I don't want to get into the 'alts vs mains' argument as technically it's clearly up to those who arrive first to hunt any given camp spot, although I can certainly sympathise with those who are trying to find a camp having been there many times myself.

What I would say is that I have publicly apologised on these boards in the past for refusing people entry into our group at the tanglers in the past as I hated doing it but found it necessary. As Jenkz points out there is a big difference (much more than the maths would seem to warrant) in xp between a 6-8 man group and a 3-4 man group at the tanglers, and on many occasions I have actually turned down my own guild members in order to keep a group small.

One thing worth considering (as has happened to me in the past) is that the 5 man group you see may well have started as a 2 (yes, Lunar and I used to do tanglers as a pair) which has grown to a 5 through being sympathetic to the needy already, and if a player has already more than halved their xp in the group to allow more in, is it really that ignorant of them to limit it to 3 over the original number and not grow the group any more?

Believe me, I know it can be tough to get a group for xp in Lyonesse. I sat for 4 hours one day trying to get into a tree group at around level 46-47, being told 'sorry, need a healer', 'sorry need CC' or better still 'sorry we need a real tank' and it pissed me off so much I never did it again. From that day I would either form a group myself, occasionally be invited by friends (<waves at GoP>) or simply load my backpack with 120 bolts and solo normal goblins as hard and fast as I could, getting perhaps .1 or .2 bubbles per hour. Slow xp but my dignity remained intact.

 

[old.windforce]

well spoken

level30 :
pony's in dartmoor with 1 other friar

clerk's with medium group

hamadryads with small group

normal goblins with full 30-35 group

dunters with small group

tanglers are > 36 for support clases and > 38 for tankish types (includes infiltrators, scouts, friars)

 

[kr0n]

For tanglers you need either:
2 PBAE mages and cleric, rest are aggroholders.
2 AE classes and 1 AE rooter...
If none of the above is available, full group with 42+ CC, sorc/urg.

 

[j000 d000d]

IMO, "Small Groups" is the most stupid thing ever.

I can make a group of 3 people and kill reds, yes i can, but i can make a Full group and kill deep purples quick which gives 5x as much exp.

Some people don't understand.

 

[LunarDarkShadow]

Hmm... I'm seeing a worrying trend developing here....

When I was level 30 , I wouldnt have dreamed of going anywhere near Lyonesse, yet more and more I see players of that level getting stroppy when the tangler groups wont let them in.

If I had been refused a group, I wouldnt have dreamed of arguing with them. After all, it's their group, isnt it. They can do what they like with it?


Seems to me like there's too many spoilt brats around.

Do the f***ing work, guys! Don't expect an easy ride! We did it, so why shouldn't you?

Now I'm level 50 , I'm constantly getting requests for me to powerlevel people I've never even heard of.

Why the hell should I? Yes, I'll help people I know and like, and even a few I don't know but like, but to be expected to drop everything to go and powerlevel some xp whore just gets me angry.

Ok, rant over. Phew, that feels better

Peace and love everyone

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

At tanglers small groups are the best when you reach lvl 43+. Ofcourse you can always make a full group and go trees but if you want to do tanglers why should you? You can't blame people for making groups the way they like it.

 

[cruhar]

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Originally posted by old.Teador
IMO, "Small Groups" is the most stupid thing ever.

I can make a group of 3 people and kill reds, yes i can, but i can make a Full group and kill deep purples quick which gives 5x as much exp.

Some people don't understand.

well, in some point you are right, but we are talking about a guy who are 10 level too low.

The group he would like to join was a small group that could handle one goblin at a time, and it was still good exp to them, then they had a high level mezzer to handle the adds.

meaning the little group would get good exp from a deep purple an dcant handle harder mobs, and the other lower level that wanted to join wouldnt contribute enough power to move on to the next difficulty of mobs, and in that wasy lower the exp of the group ... its the level difference that matters in this case ... I aggre that a group og 8 level 45s are better than a group of 3 level 45s

but in this case its a level 50 CCer, and probably 2 level 40ish and 1 level 30ish..

Then having anoter level 30ish wont add enough firepower to do harder mobs and will most likely not even contribute enough damage so the time less used per mob, will even out the exp lost.

but since i wasnt there, I cant tell 100% this is the case, but normally it is, and anyway if you want to do a tanglergroup of 8 people you shouldnt be lower than 35 anyway ... two level 40-45 and a nonegrouped CCer then the exp will be really good, and even good enough to invite a level 30ish guildmember with you, but NOT good enough to invite a random PL-hungry level 30ish (the difference is the guildmate is a guildmate) and ofcourse not good enough to hae both of them, unless your class have something the group need reduce downtime and make up for the exp in some way!

 

[kr0n]

Exping sucks. Why make it last much longer than needed?

Deep purple groups in Dartmoor/DF. Great exp. Shame so many twats around and its hard to do things like that, without balanced group.

 

[Taggart]

Hmmm, ive been in this sorta position before, ive tried to get tangler grps, they say they keeping it at 2 or 3 or whatever, i know what they mean, but i ask anyway incase they need me hehe.

I've made a few tangler grps in my time, i had me(lvl 44mins) jod( lvl 44 theurg) and dagitch(lvl 46 sorc) and we were owning those tanglers at tree's for ages with no deaths, while larger grps with people near our lvl were dieing all the time. But something that i hate is people coming upto me saying "PLEASE LET ME IN" all the fucking time, over and over again, or like Lunar was saying, you get these people that grovel to ya and cry saying please PL me! i only need 5 bulbs etc. That kind of thing does my tits in.

It can be crappy though that you see one or two people killing tons of tanglers and your grp needs a spot, but there is nothing you can do but go kill some other crap till they leave.

 

[Jupitus]

... actually, another thought occurred to me on this...

in some cases it may actually be dangerous to take in an extra low level player. I am sure most would agree that you have particular players you work well with in PvE, and a small unit killing tanglers is a good example where knowing the others in the group well is put to good effect. Adding another player, especially low level, can often upset the balance of a group which worked well before, and to whose benefit would it be for the group to get wiped?

Oh, and another thing...

[RANT]

FFS!!! IF YOU GET A TOUGH PULL AND THE GROUP IS GOING DOWN, DON'T F**KING TOW THE WHOLE ISLAND CAMP ACROSS LYONESSE YELLING FOR HELP!!!!!!!

[/RANT]

It's actually gonna be quicker to die, get rezzed and start again than to get the group all back together in one spot again - at least one of you is gonna be rezz sick anyway, so why not all of you? Get over it and show some bloody dignity.

 

[Sharma]

ok i know i was approx ten lvls too low but there was another guy of the same lvl as me in one of em

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by LunarDarkShadow
When I was level 30 , I wouldnt have dreamed of going anywhere near Lyonesse, yet more and more I see players of that level getting stroppy when the tangler groups wont let them in.

So very true...
I first went to Lyon when I was around level 20(I think it was).
Scared the shit out of me and I didn't go back until around level 40
Now people at level 30 use it as a regular exp spot....
Whats next?
3fgs of level 20s teaming up on a Lesser Telamon?

If I in 1 months time ask a level 40 if they wanna come to Barrows with me and I'm forced to give them directions, I'll be one pissed off [insert class of next alt here].

Free info:
here.

You will be tired of Lyonesse sooner or later, I know I'd rather be it later....

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by sharma
ok i know i was approx ten lvls too low but there was another guy of the same lvl as me in one of em

My neighbour owns a porsche but I dont.
Thats unfair.

Jeeesus....

 

[cruhar]

Aye...

Originally posted by Jupitus
... actually, another thought occurred to me on this...

in some cases it may actually be dangerous to take in an extra low level player. I am sure most would agree that you have particular players you work well with in PvE, and a small unit killing tanglers is a good example where knowing the others in the group well is put to good effect. Adding another player, especially low level, can often upset the balance of a group which worked well before, and to whose benefit would it be for the group to get wiped?

Aye I know that feeling, with my lowlevel sorc
I was soloing some yellow and oranges! yellow with no downtime and oranges with a little.

This equal level wizard turns up, asks if I want to group ... sure i say and invite her...

I start by pulling a yellow just to see if she knew what she was doing, and all went well, since she didnt react to my pull... a few secs after the pull a long message about her highlevel alts and that she knows what she is doing as a caster.

then we start some good pulls (oranges which i could solo) - we keep loosing health and almost dies every single pull - we used atleast twice the time killing an orange together than I did solo...

<sigh> some people ... every time i tryed to tell her not to bolt the adds and let my mez run out.instead of DDing it once at start to melee it </sigh>

sorry off topic just had to let it out

 

[LunarDarkShadow]

Bah... spoilt brats, I tell ya, spoilt brats..... <grumbles>

 

[cruhar]

Originally posted by sharma
ok i know i was approx ten lvls too low but there was another guy of the same lvl as me in one of em

perhaps it was his friends or guildmembers ... thats a difference from a Guildmember/friend and a Random Xp-Whore
(no offence)

if a friend of mine asked me to powerlevel him and I had nothing better to do, I would gladly do so, but if a stranger comes and asks if I could powerlevel him, I would probably turn him down, unless im VERY VERY bored...

reason : The friend would return the favour, the stranger I will probably never see again, and who probably will turn me down when I ask him to powerlevel me to return the favour.
(seen and heard that too many times)

and if im already in a group I will not risk the death of my group just to powerlevel a stranger.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Lv 30 want tangler group? Spiled kids is all I can say

 

[The Real Redi]

Sharma, Redis been the Solo merchant since he was about 12. I think i could probably count on one hand the number of groups ive been in that have actually produced results, and not cost me days of work, but i will tell you one thing, try to get that special group together now, and try to keep together!

If you can get a few of similar level together and train for a while, you'll start to know how each other play, you'll start to see priorities in the way the healer heals, start to recognise where to pull the mob too so that the infiltrator can get in and get a good solid crit, where not to stand so you dont block the theurg/cabs view of the adds... it all adds up and it will save your life!

I unfortunately dont have that core of a group, but i have the next best thing - a guild that has some great, competent and friendly members. Moth, Radi, Lachesis, Ilandor are but a few i have trained with in the last few seasons, and thanks to Moth i managed to get my arse out of a slump id been stuck in.

If you can drag together a group of early 30s, then head down to near the Yarleys and do what i did for the first time the other day - stab up the pygmys! oh, one tip, take a cabalist. They have a vicious pulling range, and its easy to accidentally pull the whole gang down if you get too close...

As long as you have a bloody good mez-merchant, a cab to pull, and some form of healing type (+ the obvious menagerie of tanks ) you'll get 2 seasons in about 4 hours... as long as your good, and trust those with you to do what they do...

 

[Krillin.]

Originally posted by old.Teador
IMO, "Small Groups" is the most stupid thing ever.

I can make a group of 3 people and kill reds, yes i can, but i can make a Full group and kill deep purples quick which gives 5x as much exp.

Some people don't understand.

funny i used to swear you used to tell me that you only wanted a small group at the acquaduct in lyonesse when there was only 4 - 5 of you - funny how the newly converted preach isn't it??

 

[tieris]

Originally posted by Krillin.


funny i used to swear you used to tell me that you only wanted a small group at the acquaduct in lyonesse when there was only 4 - 5 of you - funny how the newly converted preach isn't it??

strangely enough i remember that too, teador and his group of three

 

[Danya]

I think we've established that Teador is a selfish hypocritical twat already...

On the real topic, why do you even want a tangler group at level 30? The xp is utter crap below 35 (I did tanglers from 33-43, they don't get good till the late 30s).

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by Krillin.


funny i used to swear you used to tell me that you only wanted a small group at the acquaduct in lyonesse when there was only 4 - 5 of you - funny how the newly converted preach isn't it??

That goes for tanglers only, yes you can do them with a few people and it CAN be better exp, but they become the same as other mobs in 1.53 (?) anyway, so you better start finding something else.

Actually in the end i stopped with tanglers, too many deaths, i rather did solo and withers, about 0.5 bub of my 49-50 was from tanglers.

But still the way groups work are totally different in Hib compared to Alb, surprised me actually, but they're better. (that only counts for 40-50) Alb is a real crisis, Hib is the smooth way.

 

[old.Bubble]

i can duo tanglers with a firewizzy very well
with a mintrel the downtime is halfed

i don't really see the reason for inviting someone into a group with no job(for example a second minstrel)

this may be harsh but its true

oh and a 8 man group when your lvl 47 really sucks