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Im thinking of this.
36 chants (dmg add)
42 shield (slam)
29 slash (amy)
44 2h (stun)
16 parry (leftovers)

Is it doable (did i miscalculate)

Is it any good?
 

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Bloodcore said:
Im thinking of this.
36 chants (dmg add)
42 shield (slam)
29 slash (amy)
44 2h (stun)
16 parry (leftovers)

Is it doable (did i miscalculate)

Is it any good?

I'd really not bother speccing for slam on a low RR 2-handed paladin. With 44 2-handed and 29 slash your damage is going to be poor.
Speccing for the stun in 2-handed seems rather strange since you've put 42 levels worth of points in a line purely to get an anytime stun?

At low RR I just don't think paladins get enough points to spec shield if they go 2-handed.


If your RR10 you might be able to make that spec work tho.
 

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Golena said:
I'd really not bother speccing for slam on a low RR 2-handed paladin. With 44 2-handed and 29 slash your damage is going to be poor.
Speccing for the stun in 2-handed seems rather strange since you've put 42 levels worth of points in a line purely to get an anytime stun?

At low RR I just don't think paladins get enough points to spec shield if they go 2-handed.


If your RR10 you might be able to make that spec work tho.
Good point.

Im making this char for the celerity and magic abs - so maybe i should go s/s?
 

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Bloodcore said:
Good point.

Im making this char for the celerity and magic abs - so maybe i should go s/s?

If you want celerity and magic absorb, either go sword/shield so you can get high chants or drop shield completely and use the positional stuns from 2-handed. That way you can get higher chants and keep your slash skill up.
 

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Sword shield i'd consider:

46 chants, 42 shield, 44 slash, 17 parry
46 chants, 50 shield, 39 slash

2-handed i'd go:

50 2-handed, 46 chants, 35 slash, 14 parry, 9 shield(I think it's 9 for engage, swap this with parry to get engage anyway).
 

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Golena said:
Sword shield i'd consider:

46 chants, 42 shield, 44 slash, 17 parry
46 chants, 50 shield, 39 slash

2-handed i'd go:

50 2-handed, 46 chants, 35 slash, 14 parry, 9 shield(I think it's 9 for engage, swap this with parry to get engage anyway).
Thx alot for ur sugestions, i wrote em down - do we know how high chants u need for magic abs/celerity yet?
 

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Bloodcore said:
do we know how high chants u need for magic abs/celerity yet?

30 Barrier of Faith: 0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 25 Magical Ablative, Group buff.
40 Barrier of Virtue:0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 40 Magical Ablative, Group buff.
50 Barrier of Temperance:0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 70 Magical Ablative, Group buff.

18 Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 24%, Group buff.
26 Enhanced Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 28%, Group buff.
32 Amplified Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 31% , Group buff.
44 Pure Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 37%, Group buff.


44 for the top celerity is easily gettable. Going to 50 chants to get the top ablative probably isn't worth it, maybe at high RR if 2-handed as you could drop slash to get it.
 

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Golena said:
30 Barrier of Faith: 0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 25 Magical Ablative, Group buff.
40 Barrier of Virtue:0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 40 Magical Ablative, Group buff.
50 Barrier of Temperance:0 second cast/6 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 1500 unit range, 70 Magical Ablative, Group buff.

18 Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 24%, Group buff.
26 Enhanced Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 28%, Group buff.
32 Amplified Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 31% , Group buff.
44 Pure Celerity: 0 second cast/5 seconds/pulse/8 second recast, 350 unit range, Haste 37%, Group buff.


44 for the top celerity is easily gettable. Going to 50 chants to get the top ablative probably isn't worth it, maybe at high RR if 2-handed as you could drop slash to get it.
thx again - i think ill go for this:46 chants, 42 shield, 44 slash, 17 parry
 

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Lol, Bloodcore....

My icon is gonna have to give yours detention :)

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Bloodcore said:
thx again - i think ill go for this:46 chants, 42 shield, 44 slash, 17 parry

44 Slash why? Make a template with +11 Slash, your RR2 ? So thats +12 points in total, get 39 slash and get to 51 modified. You Amy and Back Slash and your sorted m8. I'd rather go 46 chants, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest Parry (23 I think)?

Just my 2 cents anyways
 

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50 parry, 50 chants, 50 shield, 50 crush, 50 2Hand imo :)
 

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Jarahl said:
44 Slash why? Make a template with +11 Slash, your RR2 ? So thats +12 points in total, get 39 slash and get to 51 modified. You Amy and Back Slash and your sorted m8. I'd rather go 46 chants, 42 shield, 39 slash, rest Parry (23 I think)?

Just my 2 cents anyways

51 modified slash is irelevant. Too many people have read about wyrd speccing and think 51 is fine.

If your 2-handed and only using 2-handed styles then all you need is 51 modified slash. In this case speccing above 51 modified slash has no benefit and you'd be absolutely right.

If your actually using the slash styles (which a 1-handed paladin does) then speccing above 51 still gives you benefit. With 50+12 slash you'd both have higher weaponskill and more damage than with 39+12 slash.

I chose 44 as it gives you the follow-up to the taunt, which is actually useful if your PvE'ing. I find points in parry on a paladin, while useful don't really give you much rvr wise. It's nice to put spare points in, but i'd rather have the weaponskill+damage. You'll struggle to find many paladin templates that bother capping all +11 parry, and there's a reason for this.

There's nothing wrong with your spec however, you've dropped a bit of offense for slightly more defense. The difference between the 2 specs is actually fairly small, just depends on what your doing with the character. If I was dropping to 39 slash i'd dump the points in shield tho and get to 50 shield as this gives defence for both you and the character your guarding.
 

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Golena said:
51 modified slash is irelevant. Too many people have read about wyrd speccing and think 51 is fine.

If your 2-handed and only using 2-handed styles then all you need is 51 modified slash. In this case speccing above 51 modified slash has no benefit and you'd be absolutely right.

If your actually using the slash styles (which a 1-handed paladin does) then speccing above 51 still gives you benefit. With 50+12 slash you'd both have higher weaponskill and more damage than with 39+12 slash.

I chose 44 as it gives you the follow-up to the taunt, which is actually useful if your PvE'ing. I find points in parry on a paladin, while useful don't really give you much rvr wise. It's nice to put spare points in, but i'd rather have the weaponskill+damage. You'll struggle to find many paladin templates that bother capping all +11 parry, and there's a reason for this.

There's nothing wrong with your spec however, you've dropped a bit of offense for slightly more defense. The difference between the 2 specs is actually fairly small, just depends on what your doing with the character. If I was dropping to 39 slash i'd dump the points in shield tho and get to 50 shield as this gives defence for both you and the character your guarding.

I tend to disagree. With higher parry you have the option of soloing aswell, a m8 of mine likes the diversity and it is nice to have tbh. With 23 parry you will block one hit and parry the other alot of times from a dual wielder, especially if you got high dex and toss in some MoB and MoParry.

However ofc your right about 44 slash will do more dmg than 39 slash if using the slash styles which he will be using.

My 2 cents anyway, I'd rather have higher parry and a bit lower dmg than getting a style I will never use.
 

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The new magic ablative chant is very weak and it has been proven so aswell ^^.

51 slash for two handed, no more no less. 46 chants = 7dps add, when the yellow one is 6dps. the difference is so minimal I didn't bother speccing for it. For rvr, maybe 44 chants then. Unless you are in love with the 45 chants heal chant.
 

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