ATi 9700 or G4?

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flaky

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i dont know which one to choose, sould u help me choose a bad ass video card that could support a game like ut03 or GR?
 
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Embattle

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If I was choosing between the two I would get a 9700.
 
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Jonty

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Despite being a big nVidia fan, I would nevertheless go for the 9700 (the Pro version if you can afford it). That said, ATi's drivers still aren't on a par with nVidia's, but with the raw performance the 9700 has, it doesn't matter all that much.

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Scooba Da Bass

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Originally posted by Jonty
ATi's drivers still aren't on a par with nVidia's, but with the raw performance the 9700 has, it doesn't matter all that much.
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What is that based on? That they don't release a new set every other week, or that they aren't filled with all kinds of uneeded shit whilst ignoring basic problems?
 
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Jonty

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Calm down :p It's based on the fact that nVidia is acknowledged by end users and developers alike as often having the most stable driver set for their product lineup, ever since the days of the TNT. It's based on the fact ATi themselves are happy to acknowledge their drivers can be improved, and that they're doing everything they can to improve them (that's why we get nice lists of specific enhancements in past releases).

I'm not slagging off ATi, they have done wonderful things since their resurgence, but nVidia's drivers, like it or not, are very widely respected. Yes, there are many releases, but in reality the vast majority of these are either leaked or merely prototypes developed by third parties; nVidia themself are no more prolific in releasing drivers than ATi.

Pft! People are so partisan around here :(
 
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Embattle

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I do have to agree with Jonty that they can be slightly more problematic, however many people won't have problems with either and tbh the gap between the two is very very very small ;)
 
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Jonty

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Originally posted by Embattle
I do have to agree with Jonty that they can be slightly more problematic, however many people won't have problems with either and tbh the gap between the two is very very very small ;)
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I agree, and you have to take into account I'm an nVidia fan boy ;) That, and I had a bad experience with a 9500 Pro card which I was really looking forward to using. Scarred for life, or something :p

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cougar-

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I have a 9500 pro, and it works perfect, guess im lucky :uhoh:
 
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Jonty

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Both the 9500 and 9700 are great cards, and cards which many people operate without problem, it's just, well, are you sitting comfortably . . .?

Picture the scene: Intel has just launched the Pentium 4 with much fan-fair. This is the all new, all singing, all dancing, 'must have' processor, back in the days when AMD were still fairly unknown in the desktop market. Add to this Dell, who had just launched a whole new range of desktop PCs, styled afresh in 'Midnight Grey and Ion Silver' in a market in which quite literally every other PC was in some form of beige. And so I bought a Dell, and a fine system it is too (£25M of profit per day can't be wrong :)).

And now our story progresses a couple of years to Christmas 2002. The 32Mb GeForce2 MX in the Dell is struggling, and so, after much research, I purchase a Sapphire 9500, an undoubtedly amazing card. I get it delivered next day at great expense, eagerly install it, switch on and . . . *picture corrupt graphics in your head and unintelligble error messages.*

After many reinstallations, posts in support forums, and generally hours of heartache, I found out that the cryptic message meant my PSU couldn't handle the card's power requirements (trust me, you'd never guess this from the message). And so I bought a new Enermax PSU only to find Dell, when they built my system, utilised proprietary, not ATX, standards, so the PSU (and all other PSUs) were incompatible.

So I had to send the card back, which thankfully they refunded. I still have the Dell system, with the GeForce card, and an gorgeous, gold-plated, Enermax PSU gathering dust :rolleyes: (although I dare say I will get around to auctioning it off at some point).

Matters were made worse when I found out that all nVidia cards which require a PSU connection, instead of leaving the user with corrupted graphics and quite literally pointless error messages, instead present the user with this lovely message . . .

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The cards even deactivate unnecessary features and lower their clock speeds to compensate for such events, hence preventing the user from suffering the same fate as above.
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Well, wasn't that a pointless story? But now you partly know just why I love nVidia and not ATi (although I do respect them). If you're reading this I'm assuming you got bored with the above and skipped ahead cursing my name for wasting your time :p

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bodhi

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Yes. It's clearly ATi's fault that Dell didn't supply a PSU conforming to the standard. ATi should burn in hell.



Are all nVIDIOTs as moronic as you?
 
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Jonty

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What was I saying about partisanship around here? Perhaps I ought to stop posting for fear of offending people :(

If you take time to actually read what I wrote, you'll find that I was upset that ATi didn't properly consider what has turned out to be a common problem for a small number of people. When others, in this case I mentioned nVidia, show it is easy to detect power shortage and compensate, it seems a shame ATi can't adopt such measures for their excellent cards.

The Dell PSU issue was merely incidental and was included only to show my difficulties in this rare situation.

It was a story, not a critique, lighten up and try posting nothing next time you feel like abusing those around you without just cause :rolleyes:

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throdgrain

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Originally posted by flaky
cuz rite now i have a G4
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It was this post that made me laugh, after posting a thread asking which was the best ,as he didnt know which one to choose :rolleyes:
 
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xane

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Because I can't be arsed to look it up ...

Does anyone have a comparison chart of all the different models of GeForce and Radeon, i.e. the 9700 = Ti4600 or something, whatever picking-examples-out-of-a-hat-here thx.

And if an ATi-bunny does it you may just win me over as I'm looking for a Direct X 9 card now :)
 
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Jonty

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This is only very, very approximate. Keep in mind that ATi's solutions, as a rule of thumb, will outperform nVidia's when compared like this. Also, I'm really not too sure about ATi's lower end Radeons, as the numbering system is now very confused, so don't take that part as gospel.

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[i]Legend ~ Category, Approximate Price, mid-2002, early-2003[/i] 

Hard Core     $399+   GeForce FX 5800 Ultra   GeForce FX 5800 Ultra
                      Radeon 9700 Pro         Radeon 9800 Pro

Enthusiast    $299    GeForce 4 Ti            GeForce FX 5800
                      Radeon 9700             Radeon 9800 / 9700 Pro

Performance   $199    GeForce 4 Ti            GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
                      Radeon 9500 Pro         Radeon 9500 Pro / Radeon 9600 Pro

Mainstream 1  $149    GeForce 4 Ti / MX       GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
                      Radeon 9500 / 8500      Radeon 9600 / 9500

Mainstream 2  $99     GeForce 4 MX            GeForce FX 5200
                      Radeon 9100 Pro         Radeon 9100 Pro

Value         $79     GeForce 4 MX            GeForce FX 5200 / GeForce 4 MX 
                      Radeon 9200 Pro / 9000  Radeon 9200 Pro / 9000
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Embattle

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The 9800 is on pre-order now with real shipmemnts most probably next month.
 
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Jonty

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Originally posted by Embattle
The 9800 is on pre-order now with real shipmemnts most probably next month.
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True :) Although it appears the 9800 Pro is little more than a enhanced 9700 Pro in terms of performance. Which is no bad thing, don't get me wrong, but it is going to retail at high prices whilst the 9700 Pro ought to reduce in price :( That said, the 256Mb version ought to be interesting.

Feeling flush then Embattle? :D

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Jonty

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Originally posted by Wij
I used to have money :(
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Will we all cringe and have nightmares if we ask where it went? :p

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Embattle

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Actually I'm currently trying this new thing called saving......plus the 9800 may well come in at a slightly lower price than normal for new cards ;)
 
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Embattle

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A bitch that requires servicing once every so often ;)
 
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Jonty

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Now now, smut is for the General forum :p

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lovedaddy

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Just got a few 9800's in at work - very very nice cards.
The 'tins' for the GeForce FX's were about the most impressive thing about them - some mad round tin effort with padding inside. Looked more like the box to a special edition dvd box set.
 
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Accura

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i have a GF4 TI 4600 and i dont really think it was worth the money go for the ATi 9700 m8
 
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xane

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Which ones, both GeForce and ATi, are Direct X 9 ?
 
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