Assasin v Hunter RvR help...

[xajorkith]

In BG1 Thidranki I made a conscious effort to hunt down (i.e. stand still in an isolated spot for 20 seconds) and kill Infiltrators and Nightshades, more often then not I would win the fight (but it would be close) due to the amount of damage the spear and wolf caused.

In BG3 it's very different, I get PA'ed and I am now stunned until my death, I have no option to fight back. Poisons and Disease doubly make sure I never even get to fight.

I assume in real RvR this imbalance between assassins and archers continues, what can a hunter do (Spec/RA tactics) to prevent getting owned so much?

Why don’t infiltrators have a natural enemy?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by xajorkith

I assume in real RvR this imbalance between assassins and archers continues, what can a hunter do (Spec/RA tactics) to prevent getting owned so much?

Why don’t infiltrators have a natural enemy?

purge and use your speed spell


u need range too gank a infil, leech or use TS.


natural enemy? - archersand casters. no?

 

[kathal_tdd]

Position. You have to have some distance between you and your target.
TS is ok, but the timer suck. I respeced and got IP instead.
RMs RA "Rune of Decimation" is good to pop Infils and NSs.
As a hunter I havent found any good way to solo Infils and NSs.
You might get lucky one pops infront of you and get your stun style in, but be rdy for adds

 

[froler-mid]

or get high spear spec, 44-50 + 11 etc.

get IP and purge, sc and buffs, then i can imagine u can outdmg a infil....and purge his dragonfang..

 

[mac_kraakebolle]

after they PA... run trough em so they miss CD

and if they dont have a snare on you or something its best to try n run while ur pet chews on em.... (sprint + speedbuff will get u far enugh away even if u have a dot on you)

if the asassin has to sprint to catch up to you so you are both ooe when the fight starts you are gonna win for shure, if he dosnt sprint up to you the pet is gonna get him and if he procedes to beat on the pet you are gonna shoot arrows into him (unless u are ooe in witch case u wait for the pet to be at about half hp then run in in combat mode )

oh and if u have to fight him toe to toe just dont stand there to take the beating.... try running trough him and /face'ing etc

 

[Brevis]

I have 39 spear, that style is King... but if i get PA'ed +CD im usually dead, same with DF.
The trick to surviving the PA is to dance around, never!! stand still for more than 5 sec's if you are in a zone with enemys, an assassin could be right infront of you and you wouldnt see him.
If you are camping a certain spot, spin around, move few steps all the time, makes PA damn hard to do.
Standing on the same spot facing one way all the time is asking for a quick travel to bind spot if you are an archer.

 

[Zoldot]

Originally posted by froler-mid
or get high spear spec, 44-50 + 11 etc.

get IP and purge, sc and buffs, then i can imagine u can outdmg a infil....and purge his dragonfang..

 

[old.Attle]

Purge and IP is well worth getting if you want to melee infils. Spending a few points into MoP is also a good investment. Another good thing is to have a 16.2 slash spear. Infils have high resist to thrust dmg, but are neutral to slash.

 

[Hatt]

Or be like me

 

[nightsorrow]

why would anyone wanna be so ugly

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by nightsorrow
why would anyone wanna be so ugly

Have you been able to spit out all the grass i served you yet?

 

[Vasconcelos]

Never win a non-PA fight against Fatbelly if he has IP+Purge up:

250-300 damages with freakin spear
+
90 damages from crappy wolf pet

>>> me

 

[Carlos Bananos]

spec high spear, less bow (all it ever does is miss/fumble/blocked/bladeturned anyway)

i've seen hatt and fatbelly do some serious damage

 

[nightsorrow]

Originally posted by Hatt
Have you been able to spit out all the grass i served you yet?

can u say, Wrong quickbar?


























dont come with lame things like bad excuse, im n00b i suck bla bla bla


or, I like candy

 

[Hatt]

Originally posted by nightsorrow
can u say, Wrong quickbar?



dont come with lame things like bad excuse, im n00b i suck bla bla bla


or, I like candy

Pff not like this morning was the first time

 

[nightsorrow]

ok hatts u are my master































(cough)

 

[bjaadi-]

my hunters final spec is 35s 44sp 40b 32 bc maybe a tad high stealth but it stayes that way.. if you got a buffbot go 50 spear 50 bow 28 stealth
well assasins should pwn archers... i think a archer can beat most classes with the new patch rapidfire, bt shots... but will still lose to assasins the way it should be imo... they are nerfin sh aswell wich is a good thing

 

[Brevis]

Exactly my spec.

It isnt the fact that assassins come after me..... I know im their target etc etc, but its the sheer numbers of assassins that want to gank my sorry kobie butt....

 

[old.fatbelly]

when i have my ra's up i am god in the stealther world. no other stealther has killed me with my ra's up (ap2, ip, purge, ts), one on one no matter if i get pa'd or whatever (since after i respecced ra's in the beginning of 1.60). i often kill two or more at the same time.

thats once/30 minutes.... after that, my camo is down and most likely infil#254and friends or nightshade #564and friends are also in the area and will follow and likely kill me if i dont run far away and hide.

uber once/30 min, then sitting duck/forced to hide 10 min until camo is up.

to answer your original question, in the BG:s a hunter is great, he allready has all his class abilities - his highest evade, his best bow abilities (best critshot is at 27 bow) see hidden doesnt exist in BG:s. from the bg:s to lvl 50 a hunter gains little or nothing.

assassins on the other hand gets better and better, higher evade, better poisons, better style effects, better dual wield chance/damage etc.

only thing you can do to stand a chance solo is get the good ra's (ap2 Ip purge TS and pre-requistes cost 62 points, thats a minimum of rr7L2 if you have NO passives at all).
then again if you are solo as a low rr hunter, youre not likely to earn any ra's in the first place................. the combination of milegates and see hidden is what ruins it the most. and the fact that arrows seem to count as unstyled attacks, getting evaded blocked missed often, even with my 1743 weaponskill. personally i dont care much about the new penetrating arrow, even though i do have 50 bow and will get the best version. rapid fire if it works as intened i could care less about, but if it is like some ppl say and increases damage a bit, then its welcome.

the nerf of see hidden will help alot, but an assassin will still see an archer at roughly 1000 range if the archer has 45 stealth, 800 range if 50 stealth. ppl who say not many assassins have see hidden can FOAD. as an archer solo you cant earn as much realmpoints as an equal realmrank assassin, and this wont change after the next patch im pretty sure. even if there would be no see hidden at all, milegates cripples archers alot.


***************************************************************************************************************************************************SUMMARY FOR LAZY PPL: i ownz j00 all once every 30 min, after that i suck and must hide, WHAT RUINS ARCHERS IS: see hidden, alone and especially in combination with chokepoints (milegates), and the fact that arrows have no or very low tohitbonus.********************************************************************************************************************************************************

 

[old.Lythande]

You never suck fatty, you're just a little less uber

 

[Brevis]

Fatbelly, those RA's are the exact same Im going to get, currently have IP and going for AP2 next (at 5L2). How does AP2 work for you, does it decrease dam considerably?

And yes, milegates are the worst thing for any archer. Although yesterday I was teamed up with 2 sb guildies. Didnt put camo up on purpose there, was fun to see inf's unstealthing to come chase me only to die in 5 seconds flat by a nice double PA and some spearing

There are good days when you are a hunter, days where everything just fits and you get some good kills. And then there are the days where no matter what you do, you just cant seem to get it to roll for you.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Bah Fatty! Dont try to show false modesty You kill loads and that is.

You little kobie you, one day ........................

 

[old.fatbelly]

hehe ochan, i liked our emote-communication some weeks ago =) such a good-mannered infil!

and brevis, yes, ap2 helps alot. if someone hits you, it wont print as an increase in resists for him, but simply reduce the damage. ap2 also delves as 10% melee reduction, but it does seem to work as 20%. quite expensive though, with con3 as pre-req.

 

[sorusi]

it should give 20% more melee aborb fb, 10% melee abosorb every lvl and you have AP2? :>

 

[old.fatbelly]

still delves for 10 even on ap2

 

[Brevis]

Yeah, it is quite expensive, but i think its worth it, especially since its 15 minutes timer, makes it more handy