Rant Arrrrrggghhh - Screaming babies

[Pfy]

... they better have some illness or bad parenting badge goes up.

.. because you're the foremost authority on parenting?

 

[Kryten]

There's so much differing advice from so many places and people it's silly. We've taken to only ignoring our son's crys in the evening due to his teething, if he won't go down, normally just after being given paracetamol or bonjella and we're waiting for it to kick in. As was said, pandering to every cry, moan and whim is asking for trouble indeed, they'll grow up being used to that. Society is in enough trouble as it is, without morons like the Government telling mothers of 1 year old's to go and find work, leaving the kid in some strangers arms (paid for by who?) to grow up and become a moron themselves, lack of discipline, and then we have this sort of thing. We can't smack our kids, it'll end up with us in jail and them in care. The world's going tits up and there's seemingly little we can do about it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

.. because you're the foremost authority on parenting?

No, but i know kids can be shut up within a reasonable timelimit if you have ANY control over them, as you should.

 

[rynnor]

No, but i know kids can be shut up within a reasonable timelimit if you have ANY control over them, as you should.

Control over a baby? Do you have some weird baby mind control equipment?

Baby may be teething, have a full nappy, want feeding etc. etc. - you cant change a nappy on a bus, you can try teething gel but it still takes time to effect and its tough to warm a bottle on a bus (dont even think about breastfeeding ).

Just remember that dragging a baby onto public transport is even less fun for the parent than it is for you.

 

[`mongoose]

No, but i know kids can be shut up within a reasonable timelimit if you have ANY control over them, as you should.

From reading your comments in this thread Toht you're not giving me the impression that you have the slightest clue about what you're talking about.

I wasn't on the train / bus so I can't comment on whether the child's parent was a good parent or not. What I can say is that the younger the child, the less control you have. I've known kids who've been angels since they've been born and others who've screamed pretty much non-stop for the first 6-12 months.

Yes different approaches can help but there is no one step "fix" for a crying child and there's certainly fuck all chance of you controlling a child short of doing something that's generally concerned as abuse.

I can tell you (as a committed parent) that there are times when my kids are crying and nothing I do quietens them and I feel awful and like the world is judging me. It's a tough job and most people do the best they can.

Having said that - I don't think Yoni wanted this to be some discussion about approaches to child care so perhaps it's best left as it was. A frustrated rant from someone who's had a shit day followed by a shit journey home.

M

 

[old.Tohtori]

So yoni saying "screaming children shouldn't be let on buses during in/out work" is ok, yet me saying "parents should be able to shut their kids down" is somehow "stupid"?

Yeah, i give up, you people get aggressive about weirder things then TdC sits on

And yes you can shut your kid down, seen it happen, plenty of times, so you CAN. Kid screams, parent does his/her magic, kid shuts up. At no way, if there's nothing wrong, should a kid scream for 15 minutes straight. 3 minutes, maybe 5. That's the limit.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and i DO assume this on the basis that most the time kids on public transports are silent, excluding the wah and googoo that they regard as speech.

So, majority of time -> silent = if not silent, something wrong or bad parent regarding shutting the larva up.

 

[rynnor]

And yes you can shut your kid down, seen it happen, plenty of times, so you CAN. Kid screams, parent does his/her magic, kid shuts up. At no way, if there's nothing wrong, should a kid scream for 15 minutes straight. 3 minutes, maybe 5. That's the limit.

Hah - good luck if you ever have some kids - you have a lot to learn

 

[old.Tohtori]

Hah - good luck if you ever have some kids - you have a lot to learn

No need for luck, not gonna happen. Well, exxcluding adoption. But in any case, i'm not claiming to be "know all of parenting" and yes, there are exceptions to the rule, but its' still a rule.

Most the time kids behave in public transports, so if they scream for 15 minutes straight, i've been patient enough for the first 5.

And no, this won't be decided one way or other. So let's not go about it. There are two kinds of people in the world, those hwo think "babies are cutey wutey!", and those who think they are worthless until they can talk, walk and wipe their own arse

 

[old.Tohtori]

And yes, forgot to say that i DO get that parents probably hate it more and yes, there could be some sympathy towards them...just don't have any :lol:

You made it, you deal with it!

 

[TdC]

So yoni saying "screaming children shouldn't be let on buses during in/out work" is ok, yet me saying "parents should be able to shut their kids down" is somehow "stupid"?

err no, the fact you're arguing when several people who have (young) kids have told you your point is invalid makes it stupid, Toht

 

[old.Tohtori]

err no, the fact you're arguing when several people who have (young) kids have told you your point is invalid makes it stupid, Toht

Ah well, "Ban kids from busses!" it is then

Actually, i do think people shouldn't have kids if they don't have a car, simply due to safety issues. You know, emergency and need to go to the hospital quick etc. But anyway! Might have been a bit too harsh on my original statement, apologies if some larvabreeder got offended by it

 

[rynnor]

No worries - parents are becoming increasingly used to many people in society not knowing the first thing about kids.

Its partly due to people waiting longer to have kids which increases the gap between generations and the shrinking size of the average family.

In the past everyone would have known lots of kids/babies through their extended family but this has declined a lot in the last couple of generations.

People in general have become more materialistic and less family focused - perhaps this will change a little in the credit crunch - adversity tends to bring people together more.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And at the same time, people have become more family protective and the family-oriented have become more "high horsed" and demanding of the society

By the way, apologizing for my rudeness/harshness doesn't mean i retract my statement of "shut it up"

 

[rynnor]

And at the same time, people have become more family protective and the family-oriented have become more "high horsed" and demanding of the society

Its polarisation - its what happens when society fragments - the media have had a large part in it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Its polarisation - its what happens when society fragments - the media have had a large part in it.

Yeah, the non-babies need to chill a bit(which i usually do, to a limit, don't shove your baby photos i my face thankyou ) and the babies need to take a step abck and realise that they don't own the world(which granted, sane do).

 

[Yoni]

Hush... just wanted a rant....

My point stands though...

Tonight I am on the bus.. there was a screaming child... parent dealt with it... it looked like it was teething and was given a ring to chew on... baby back to reasonable noise level which obviously I was pleased with as I have had an awsome day and did not want that to change... grins (yes yes I know very selfish of me )

 

[kirennia]

Hush... just wanted a rant....

My point stands though...

Tonight I am on the bus.. there was a screaming child... parent dealt with it... it looked like it was teething and was given a ring to chew on... baby back to reasonable noise level which obviously I was pleased with as I have had an awsome day and did not want that to change... grins (yes yes I know very selfish of me )

Haven't those things proven to in the long run cause misbehaviour and have an impact on learning patterns?

<lights fire and runs>

 

[Kryten]

If we all believe that type of thing we'd not be eating british beef, irish pork, chicken or eggs, washing ovens with Mr Muscle, etc etc etc. Ask your parents what they ate as a child and you'll be greeted with tales of mud pies, yellow snow, concrete and sand, salt out the gritting bins, coal and god knows what else. The very same people were probably running businesses or being generally professional 20 years later. And these days a kid can't even chew a teething ring without having brain damage? Like fuck!

Saying that, my boy has taken to chewing my fingers - he can't even get the teething ring we have in his gob! (Surprising, bearing in mind the size of both mine and the wife's mouths!). Too much involved with babies and I'm sitting on the side of the fence with advice from real mothers and real people, not the side with midwives and the NHS telling you what's good and bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Kryten, give the baby a rock. Big enough not to swallow, washed rock *nods*

they like rocks

 

[Rolv]

Screaming babies is one of the worst sounds!

When you are trapped on an airplane, and know you gonna sit there for hours, a baby is really bad news.