Armsman RAs at RR5, comments please

[Pixie.Pebr]

Been thinking about either of these two, with the aim of maxing Avoid Pain when possible.
Seeing I got no Realm Respec left, it is kinda hypothetical until I get my hands on a respec stone.

So, basically I give up on IP to get AP instead and in the second option I also get SB which will make me more groupfriendly in RvR.

Comments, suggestions, flames please
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Eagle Knight (R5 L0) Realm Points: 513,500
Total Points: 40 Unused Points: 1

(3) Augmented Constitution +18 con
(2) Avoid Pain +20 % absorb, 15min timer, 60sec duration
(1) Second Wind 100% endurance restored, 15min timer
(3) Determination -45 % mez/stun/root duration
(1) Purge Dispel Negative Effects, 30min timer


Eagle Knight (R5 L0) Realm Points: 513,500
Total Points: 40 Unused Points: 0

(3) Augmented Constitution +18 con
(2) Avoid Pain +20 % absorb, 15min timer, 60sec duration
(2) Avoidance of Magic +6 % to all magic resists
(2) Determination -30 % mez/stun/root duration
(1) Purge Dispel Negative Effects, 30min timer
(1) Soldier's Barricade Large bonus to group's armor factor, 30sec dur

 

[old.windforce]

uhmmm....


kinda unusual setup

can't really comment i only have purge and det of the ones you list here

from hearsay: SB is crap

 

[old.Vae]

Not sure just how effective SB is but Steveh's SB & my BoF made our group practically melee invulnerable the other night

 

[hangianix]

SB is defo not crap. Ask Warbar.

 

[Xeanor]

SB is very good.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Determination 3
Purge
Ignore Pain
Prevent flight

At rr5 1 that is.

Then at rr5 7 you can get determination 4, then get all those crappy passives

 

[Xeanor]

if you're polearm don't bother with PF until rr7 or so, you hit too slow for it to be of good use.

 

[old.Hendrick]

I'm not sure if Second Wind is actually worth the points. I mean, with endurance potions and Paladins, why have an RA for it?

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Then at rr5 7 you can get determination 4, then get all those crappy passives

Idea is to not get IP and instead max AP which is on shorter timer.
With Pally (FH) and Cleric (Normal heals + Instas) in group I have seldom had to use IP.

Originally posted by Xeanor
if you're polearm don't bother with PF until rr7 or so, you hit too slow for it to be of good use.

Am Hybrid specced, but tend to use S/S more than Pole.
Not even considered PF yet though, prolly get it at RR10 or so

Originally posted by old.Hendrick
I'm not sure if Second Wind is actually worth the points. I mean, with endurance potions and Paladins, why have an RA for it?

Ran out of End X amount of times last night, despite having a pally in the group.
Either becasue he dies, or because he does the mambo instead of the twist.

Thanks for the feedback
Leaning towards option 2 now.
Time to get me a Realm Respec Stone.

 

[Sagba]

IP (+FA2)
Det3
Purge
Soldier's Barricade (about +330AF, it's great )

3 more points to use, get AoM or save for Det4 (AP doesn't stack with BoF btw).

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by Pixie.Pebr
Ran out of End X amount of times last night, despite having a pally in the group.
Either becasue he dies, or because he does the mambo instead of the twist.

Some endurance potions could help you

 

[tris-]

id go for the 2nd one, may aswell have purge instead of 1 more pt of det, but thats just me wanting lots of ablities rather than a few

 

[faderullan]

I wouldnt use any of those 2 templates. Avoid pain isnt worth it for a alb tank imo.

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

SB+BoF = Diamond mobs hitting for 30 or so

 

[ilum]

Are you pole or shield btw?

Basically, I think you want the following:

1) Purge (4 points)
2) Determination 3 (6 points)
3) Avoidance of Magic 1 (1 point)
4) Aug Dex 2 (4 points)
5) MoPain 2 (4 points)

A total of 19 points, achievable already at 2L9.

If you are pole, you wont needed Prevent Flight that much as you got snare styles.

You could go for Ignore Pain, it's good in small groups, not that useful in large groups with 2 clerics.

Ignora Pain is 17 points, so that puts you at 36, 4 points left. Maybe Avoidance of Magic 2 and Longwind 1? Or save for Det4?

 

[Flesh]

Do you even need ra's for roleplaying/cyber sex Graham ?^^

 

[Spamb0t]

det4 asap? ;o

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Originally posted by ilum
Are you pole or shield btw?

Basically, I think you want the following:

1) Purge (4 points)
2) Determination 3 (6 points)
3) Avoidance of Magic 1 (1 point)
4) Aug Dex 2 (4 points)
5) MoPain 2 (4 points)

A total of 19 points, achievable already at 2L9.

If you are pole, you wont needed Prevent Flight that much as you got snare styles.

You could go for Ignore Pain, it's good in small groups, not that useful in large groups with 2 clerics.

Ignora Pain is 17 points, so that puts you at 36, 4 points left. Maybe Avoidance of Magic 2 and Longwind 1? Or save for Det4?

Am hybrid, as said (50 pole, 39 Slash, 42 Shield).
Your template there is about what I have now...
FA2+IP
Purge
AoM2
AugDex2 (aiming for MoPain)

But, like you said, IP is not really nessecary if in a group with a clic or two and a pally.
And I rather skip a bit offense (MoPain) to gain more defense (SB+Det2 going for 3/4).
And 30% higher absorb for 1 min every 15 min sounds more appealing than a Insta 100% heal every 30 mins, especially since I _very_ seldom RvR alone (ie. most times there is a cleric in the group).

And piss off Flesh ;p
Told you I'll only cyber if you pay me 2 plat up front ^^

 

[Kahland]

If you're in a good grp, dont spec IP.

My rr5 poler has

Det 3
Mopain4
purge
aug dex2
aug str2

and some others i think..

 

[ilum]

Ok, if you ignore Ignore Pain, you free up a lot of points. This might be good:

- Purge (4pts)
- Det4 (12pts)
- Soldier's Barricade (10pts)
- Aug Dex 2 (4pts)

That's 30 points...leaves 10 points for...

- MoPain 3

or

- MoPain 2
- AoM 2
- Longwind 1
- AugCon1 (get toughness next)

Think it should be a nice template

 

[chimaira]

 

[Moth Twiceborn]

I would definitely say at least MoPain 2 - why hit for 600 when you can hit for 1000?

Seriously though - the thing you have as an armsman over all those poxy pallies is to do a feck of a lot of damage. Why not max that out? You've got enough points for all the other stuff too...

 

[old.mattshanes]

You will need prevent flight at one time or another trust me.....

Prevent flight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL ra's.

There is nothing better than slowing a bastard shaman down xD

35% chance to procc is fairly high even for a pole user.

 

[tildson]

Det4
Purge
SB
Aom2
LW1-2
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These ones i'd consider as necessary/essential as arms, in this order too or similiar.

If you are s/s u might wanna get PF, if pole you got Crippling Blow As s/s you probably wanna get MoB, and as pole Mop. Maybe add some toughness too, but i dont think AP is necessary for heavy armored tanks.

Ps. i might change my mind, my arms is 44 atm