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ricky_latino
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In a rvr group would a ranger have trouble getting in?
Should I just roll a hero right away?
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Should I just roll a hero right away?
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Novamir
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spec high weapon, PF and CD and no stealth and then you're a Blademaster with True Sight :great:
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old.Niljindil
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If you follow novas advice then push bow to 27 for the last critshot so you have something to do in keep defense/mg standoffs 
Doesnt take all that many points away anyway
Doesnt take all that many points away anyway
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old.Niljindil
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Oh and nerf ranger active RAs :/
Avoid pain
IP
Purge
True sight
Longshot
Volley
Thats like, rr10 right there :/
Avoid pain
IP
Purge
True sight
Longshot
Volley
Thats like, rr10 right there :/
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Lloth[TD]
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I never have trouble getting a group...then again I have the spec Novamir was on about
I have found the easiest way to do it is to make groups - then you're guaranteed a spot.
I have found the easiest way to do it is to make groups - then you're guaranteed a spot.
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old.Tdaer
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HIGH SPEC WEAPON DONT SPEC BOW !! WTF Are you thinking ?
Make a BM rather then !!
Only thing Pathfinding is really good for atm would be the damage add - a lvl 25 buffbot has better dex/quick /str/con adds.ot even All that great ...
And that's n
Also, Bow really does still make a difference .. dont got speccing 50 in weapon, a Ranger @ RR6 with good spec and decent buffs can easily kill 1 or 2 opponents if he's smart.
I would recommend looking @ a RR6 based spec - with good stealth
Celt ranger -
Start points
10 str , 10 con , 10 dex
So looking @ Rank 6 with SC'd armor.
Base + RR + Items
Stealth 34 + 5 + 11 = 50
Blades 41 + 5 + 11 = 57
Celtic Duel 31 +5 + 11 = 47
Recurve bow 34 + 5 +11 = 50
Pathfinding 29
So basically .. you're EXCELLT at melee - Good @ bow , awesome stealth.
Given the right Ra's , you can be pretty kickass ! in RVR and solo.
Aug con 2
Aug dex 2
Avoidance of Magic 2
Master of Pain 2
First Aid 2
Ignore Pain
Purge
As for See Hidden - 1 min usage on a 30 min timer just to find one pesky stealth aint worth it imho.
Just my suggerstion .. If i could reroll I would
I went 30 stealth, 40 bow , 39 blades , 22 CD , 36 Pathfind ( still rocks , but not ass effective as the top spec :] )
with SC
[46 Stealth , 56 bow , 55 Blades , 38 CD ,36 Path]
laters
Elf
Make a BM rather then !!
Only thing Pathfinding is really good for atm would be the damage add - a lvl 25 buffbot has better dex/quick /str/con adds.ot even All that great ...
And that's n
Also, Bow really does still make a difference .. dont got speccing 50 in weapon, a Ranger @ RR6 with good spec and decent buffs can easily kill 1 or 2 opponents if he's smart.
I would recommend looking @ a RR6 based spec - with good stealth
Celt ranger -
Start points
10 str , 10 con , 10 dex
So looking @ Rank 6 with SC'd armor.
Base + RR + Items
Stealth 34 + 5 + 11 = 50
Blades 41 + 5 + 11 = 57
Celtic Duel 31 +5 + 11 = 47
Recurve bow 34 + 5 +11 = 50
Pathfinding 29
So basically .. you're EXCELLT at melee - Good @ bow , awesome stealth.
Given the right Ra's , you can be pretty kickass ! in RVR and solo.
Aug con 2
Aug dex 2
Avoidance of Magic 2
Master of Pain 2
First Aid 2
Ignore Pain
Purge
As for See Hidden - 1 min usage on a 30 min timer just to find one pesky stealth aint worth it imho.
Just my suggerstion .. If i could reroll I would
I went 30 stealth, 40 bow , 39 blades , 22 CD , 36 Pathfind ( still rocks , but not ass effective as the top spec :] )
with SC
[46 Stealth , 56 bow , 55 Blades , 38 CD ,36 Path]
laters
Elf
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Lloth[TD]
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I do have some bow skill - 36, which is enough to get by with +12 items.
Agreed my stealth is naff, but I'm not a shade anyways - and the payoff is worth it
Oh and the last damage add @ 46 PF is sweet
Agreed my stealth is naff, but I'm not a shade anyways - and the payoff is worth it
Oh and the last damage add @ 46 PF is sweet
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tdmm_kamosh
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I'm agree with Tdaer at all I think that the best option is make a buffbot to 25 and go to PF to 36.
Go to 46 in PF is a waste and now in 1.60 Mythic nerfs Damage add from PF, you can see all details in a TL Ranger report posted by Censi a week ago.
I have a ranger with rr5L8 atm and with RAs i can solo anyclass and sometime 2 at time.
my spec is
40 bow
39 piercing
33 stealth
40 PF (i think that was a mistake) better 36 sniff
2 CD (the same mistake :/)
With SC i have cap in bow, stealth and piercing.
And with RAs:
Augmented dex 3
Augmented quick 2
Mastery of archery 2
Mastery of pain 1
Falcon eye 1
Dodger 2
Tireless 1
TS
FA 1
Purge
I can go with groups and solo with a lot of funny moments in both of them.
That's is all
I think that the best option is make a buffbot to 25 and go to PF to 36.Go to 46 in PF is a waste and now in 1.60 Mythic nerfs Damage add from PF, you can see all details in a TL Ranger report posted by Censi a week ago.
I have a ranger with rr5L8 atm and with RAs i can solo anyclass and sometime 2 at time.
my spec is
40 bow
39 piercing
33 stealth
40 PF (i think that was a mistake) better 36 sniff
2 CD (the same mistake :/)
With SC i have cap in bow, stealth and piercing.
And with RAs:
Augmented dex 3
Augmented quick 2
Mastery of archery 2
Mastery of pain 1
Falcon eye 1
Dodger 2
Tireless 1
TS
FA 1
Purge
I can go with groups and solo with a lot of funny moments in both of them.
That's is all
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Kobold
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After playing alot of classes I feel rangers don't give me much really. Soloed one to 38 and there he still is. In the early years of DAoC rangers was good but now they are just tbh "crap". Well they can be useful but compared to other classes they can't compare with anything imo. i.e. if u want a range damager, roll a mage, if you want a dual wield tank roll a BM.
This is my view of the ranger class atm. Pretty sad
This is my view of the ranger class atm. Pretty sad
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Amadon
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yes rangers are worth a damned..
just be prepared for feeling left out a lot of the time, rangers are very useful imo, but not everyone sees it that way when they're making a group
just be prepared for feeling left out a lot of the time, rangers are very useful imo, but not everyone sees it that way when they're making a group
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Arrows
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Rangers Rule !
often thought about ditching mine but now im close to 5 i wouldnt dream of it !
my spec is gonna be
27 stealth
34 piercing
39 bow
48 pf
10 cd
with your standard + 11 to all and + 2 at teh mo for me for rr giving half decent stealth excellent bow with teh high pf and good melle as well imo with teh high pf
i fear two things only in rvr ... tanks and assasins !
tanks = uber hps and block your shots pluss they all got Ip etc
assasins wont be too bad when i hit 50 cos they all to stoopid to get tehre pa off properly and we can normally run away from em anyway and at 50 ill be a little better at spotting em .. may get true sight for a laugh ...
but on ras so far ive gone
aug dex 2
aug quick 2
mop2
dodger 2
fe 2
tireless 1
plan on getting toughness 2 aug con 2 and then aug dex 3 and moa then maybe TS
as peops say if you want long ranger dam go mage short range dual wiled a bm but can either of em stealth and the rangers basically is a mix of the too so more adaptable and versatile
often thought about ditching mine but now im close to 5 i wouldnt dream of it !
my spec is gonna be
27 stealth
34 piercing
39 bow
48 pf
10 cd
with your standard + 11 to all and + 2 at teh mo for me for rr giving half decent stealth excellent bow with teh high pf and good melle as well imo with teh high pf
i fear two things only in rvr ... tanks and assasins !
tanks = uber hps and block your shots pluss they all got Ip etc
assasins wont be too bad when i hit 50 cos they all to stoopid to get tehre pa off properly and we can normally run away from em anyway and at 50 ill be a little better at spotting em .. may get true sight for a laugh ...
but on ras so far ive gone
aug dex 2
aug quick 2
mop2
dodger 2
fe 2
tireless 1
plan on getting toughness 2 aug con 2 and then aug dex 3 and moa then maybe TS
as peops say if you want long ranger dam go mage short range dual wiled a bm but can either of em stealth and the rangers basically is a mix of the too so more adaptable and versatile
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Pin
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Most seem to be worth 910-940 rps
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old.Laryssa
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Niljindil reroll a menta
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Kobold
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Originally posted by old.Laryssa
Niljindil reroll a menta
lol
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VodkaFairy
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I think it's been proven to be useless to spec over 27 in bow. Yes the damage does increase a bit but not enough, you're better off getting 46 PF / higher weapon/CD spec because that -will- improve your dmg more than bow.
can't remember the thread but someone tested it thouroughly
can't remember the thread but someone tested it thouroughly
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old.Tdaer
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ermm well you need like 50 bow minimal else your damage variation will be messed up .. its like speccing low in any weapon really !!
try and play one .. speccing post 27 bow DOES add some value
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censi
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please I have said many times about this low bow specc thing...
Sure, damage in proportion to bow specc tails off heavily... the damage difference with 27 base bow and 50 base bow is pretty small....
However the same ratio's apply to melee speccs...
with 27 base RB, you will miss, fumble get evaded and blocked left right and center...
Weapon skill is an important factor in daoc...
Do not neglect your bow its the only weapon you have thats going to be able to kill anything....
RB should be a minimum of 40.
but this is my specc.
stealth 33 ( a rr7 specc to cap )
RB42
path 36
slash 39
cd 11
I wouldnt even condsider dropping bow below 42 really...
The mellee difference between me and a ranger with 50 weapon skill and high CD and path is totally negligable....
Focus on you BOW....
Focus on killing MAGES....
Get delusions that rangers can be great tanks like BM's and you will spend most of your DAOC life chewing he grass. They cant...
Sure, damage in proportion to bow specc tails off heavily... the damage difference with 27 base bow and 50 base bow is pretty small....
However the same ratio's apply to melee speccs...
with 27 base RB, you will miss, fumble get evaded and blocked left right and center...
Weapon skill is an important factor in daoc...
Do not neglect your bow its the only weapon you have thats going to be able to kill anything....
RB should be a minimum of 40.
but this is my specc.
stealth 33 ( a rr7 specc to cap )
RB42
path 36
slash 39
cd 11
I wouldnt even condsider dropping bow below 42 really...
The mellee difference between me and a ranger with 50 weapon skill and high CD and path is totally negligable....
Focus on you BOW....
Focus on killing MAGES....
Get delusions that rangers can be great tanks like BM's and you will spend most of your DAOC life chewing he grass. They cant...
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Lloth[TD]
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quoted:
"With no specialisation, your damage varies from 25-125% of your base (which is determined by your weapon's stats and your level). from there to 2/3 specialisation, the minimum damage you will do is increased linerly up to the 75% mark, at 2/3 specialisation it will be 75-125% of base per hit. Past 2/3 both minimum and maximum raise until at 100% spec your range is 100-150%. Points form items "do" count in this calculation."
- Dave Rickey, Mythic Class Developer
so it is worth taking bow to at least whatever items + spec is to equal your level - so @ 50 this would be 39 + 11 capped from items untill you have a high realm rank - to get the maximum available damage from the weapon.
I can't see it being worth taking beyond 39, but its definately worth taking it beyond 27, as the damage is greatly increased even tho you dont get any more crit shot beyond that point.
It's definately not worth taking bow skill beyond 50 for on average extra 2 damage per point...when the skill points could easily be spent elsewhere.
"With no specialisation, your damage varies from 25-125% of your base (which is determined by your weapon's stats and your level). from there to 2/3 specialisation, the minimum damage you will do is increased linerly up to the 75% mark, at 2/3 specialisation it will be 75-125% of base per hit. Past 2/3 both minimum and maximum raise until at 100% spec your range is 100-150%. Points form items "do" count in this calculation."
- Dave Rickey, Mythic Class Developer
so it is worth taking bow to at least whatever items + spec is to equal your level - so @ 50 this would be 39 + 11 capped from items untill you have a high realm rank - to get the maximum available damage from the weapon.
I can't see it being worth taking beyond 39, but its definately worth taking it beyond 27, as the damage is greatly increased even tho you dont get any more crit shot beyond that point.
It's definately not worth taking bow skill beyond 50 for on average extra 2 damage per point...when the skill points could easily be spent elsewhere.
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tankster
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grouping with good rangers rocks !
:wub: Ozrique
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VodkaFairy
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Well weaponskill didn't drop much at all with 27 bow spec according to those tests, but I'll trust Censi as she has played a ranger for ages and my only ranger is lvl 22
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censi
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trust me im a doctor
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lofff
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i remember a time in wich i was worried about enemy archers and engage was an usefull thingie that saved me so many times (or just turned the tides)
those times are gone long ago.
those times are gone long ago.
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old.Niljindil
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Basically, unless you have a buffbot going low bow aint worth it(as far as arrow spitting goes anyway), but with a buffbot the points invested are imo better spent elsewhere.
The guy that made those tests *do* have a buffbot, which makes the difference so much less compared to someone who doesnt have a buffbot.
Oh and tdaer, BMs cant stealth
Edit: oh and even if someone does have a buffbot, anything less than 50(WITH rr and items) is imo not good, its either all(50+ with items) or nothing(as in, reroll )
The guy that made those tests *do* have a buffbot, which makes the difference so much less compared to someone who doesnt have a buffbot.
Oh and tdaer, BMs cant stealth
Edit: oh and even if someone does have a buffbot, anything less than 50(WITH rr and items) is imo not good, its either all(50+ with items) or nothing(as in, reroll
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inuyasha
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nope
Rangers arnt worth a darn
Cant:
Spy
Tank
Easy kill enemy targets
Win a duel against more or less anything.
They can however:
Shoot at targets that face and kill them.
Kill the eventual solo mage in a few shots.
Get killed by any stealther if they go alone, or loose their role if they are in a group.
There ya go
Rangers arnt worth a darn
Cant:
Spy
Tank
Easy kill enemy targets
Win a duel against more or less anything.
They can however:
Shoot at targets that face and kill them.
Kill the eventual solo mage in a few shots.
Get killed by any stealther if they go alone, or loose their role if they are in a group.
There ya go
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old.Niljindil
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You better take that back or ill call Xest from prydwen and let him flame you to hell and back
Edit: Oh and why?
Because that rangers do a hell of a lot more damage in melee than most people think.
Oh and judging from my BG experience with a hunter and a ranger i can say that i would gladly shoot a friar/thane/stealther or other low hp hybrid thingie rather than a mage with bladeturn because of the fact that.
A) I do positive damage due to choosing damage type with arrows and
B) They dont have bladeturn which guarantees a crit and if im lucky 2 crits which more or less means a 2-3 shotted enemy
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tdmm_kamosh
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To inuyasha
We can spy.
We never was a tank
I can kill a lot of targets with 2 arrows, 1 sometimes.
And never, and remember me, never ill group with you. ¬¬
To vodka
I'm Spanish and ranger, i guess that you think that im a bad player and gimped ¬¬
To tankster
Thxs for your vote
We can spy.
We never was a tank
I can kill a lot of targets with 2 arrows, 1 sometimes.
And never, and remember me, never ill group with you. ¬¬
To vodka
I'm Spanish and ranger, i guess that you think that im a bad player and gimped ¬¬
To tankster
Thxs for your vote
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Faeldawn
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Had this conversation with a lot of bm's in my time, simple fact is rangers arent built for rvr tanking at all:
No protect, poor evade, no parry spec, high cost for IP, no engage, no 360 evade, no triple weild, cant spec sheild, and this is only vs blademasters....
Sure we get self buffs, but they aint a patch on druid buffs, even a lvl 30 druid with some nurture spec has better spec buffs than a 50 ranger with a high pf.
imho rangers should stick to the recurve bow, and only use melee if they absolutely must, any rvr healer will tell you that having a ranger in melee in their group = mana sink, and true tanks suffer as a result, if a grouped ranger uses same tactics as ranged mages, they can deal some serious damage, if they can hit that is
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censi
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yes,
a ranger REALLY REALLY needs to CAP out big style with SC to even stand a chance.....
he needs to used MP bows... high RR really helps but the +11 item cap on bow is essential
he needs at least 1700 HP (1800+ if celt)if a luri.
he needs full ablatives in case anything does get close.
he needs IP purge, and Falcons eye is highly recomended.
MOA is also pretty damn handy if u can afford it...
Tireless and long wind also essential
you should be switching bows a lot too...
use the big MP heavy thumper on the mezzed mages for 1 shot crits while mezzed..
switch to short bow on unmezzed targets (and learn fast switching) if theres no mages pepper the support classes with arrows... engage in melle when your grp is on top of things
stay at the back of the RVR grp... dip into stealth fast on contact with enemy... shoot mages only if there are mages. dont shoot mezzed targets ofc unless its under control and u wont danger the outcome.
All this applies unless it a FG of ALB's.... in which case, /stick the druid and go make a coffee... come back 1 min later 2000 RP better off. Thanks team.
a ranger REALLY REALLY needs to CAP out big style with SC to even stand a chance.....
he needs to used MP bows... high RR really helps but the +11 item cap on bow is essential
he needs at least 1700 HP (1800+ if celt)if a luri.
he needs full ablatives in case anything does get close.
he needs IP purge, and Falcons eye is highly recomended.
MOA is also pretty damn handy if u can afford it...
Tireless and long wind also essential
you should be switching bows a lot too...
use the big MP heavy thumper on the mezzed mages for 1 shot crits while mezzed..
switch to short bow on unmezzed targets (and learn fast switching) if theres no mages pepper the support classes with arrows... engage in melle when your grp is on top of things
stay at the back of the RVR grp... dip into stealth fast on contact with enemy... shoot mages only if there are mages. dont shoot mezzed targets ofc unless its under control and u wont danger the outcome.
All this applies unless it a FG of ALB's.... in which case, /stick the druid and go make a coffee... come back 1 min later 2000 RP better off. Thanks team.
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Lloth[TD]
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lol @ /stick the druid - that is so true...but it seems better to stick someone with a bit speed incase the whole group goes down and they need to retreat in your absence
About being crap tanks - well rangers aren't tanks in the regular sense of the word - but my evade works a helluvalot, and what isnt evaded is usually blocked by ma shield (pls dont take this as free range on telling me how the shield has a low block rate - heard it before) I dont have crap hit points, and I can generally survive enough so that people have time to heal me or I can use a potion.
The thing that usually takes me down is poison - and judging from a lot of folks dropping on the battlefield I'm not alone.
Rangers are not crap - while the tanks piss off hunting every single enemy they can see - the ranger are at the back helping out the casters, and in the case of holding milegates the rangers (and light specced casters) far outshine the other classes with ranged attacks.
/military
We will fight them on the beache....erm....just got up - better get coffee
About being crap tanks - well rangers aren't tanks in the regular sense of the word - but my evade works a helluvalot, and what isnt evaded is usually blocked by ma shield (pls dont take this as free range on telling me how the shield has a low block rate - heard it before) I dont have crap hit points, and I can generally survive enough so that people have time to heal me or I can use a potion.
The thing that usually takes me down is poison - and judging from a lot of folks dropping on the battlefield I'm not alone.
Rangers are not crap - while the tanks piss off hunting every single enemy they can see - the ranger are at the back helping out the casters, and in the case of holding milegates the rangers (and light specced casters) far outshine the other classes with ranged attacks.
/military
We will fight them on the beache....erm....just got up - better get coffee