Are Nightshades really so badly thought of?

[old.Moriaana]

I don't usually rant or rave about anything, but an episode earlier on this evening (Friday) has really made me quite angry.
I got bored of playing as Moriaana, so I made a Heroine alt. Nice class .
I have a few friends, guildmates etc.. and one of them has a Nightshade alt a level or so below me. He had helped Moriaana level quite a lot so I offered to group and help him level a bit. We were having a lot of fun, trying out all the styles and moves that we had picked up, when we decided it was a bit slow waiting for my health to regen, so I flagged for a healer. I had 4 responses to the flag asking if I needed a healer, so naturally I responded YAY. All 4 then asked if I was alone. ( Quick tip guys : Group Leader = not alone ). I said, and I quote " no I have a shade with me". To which 3 replied "sorry no group then". One even had the cheek to say "get rid of the shade and I group" .
Some people make me uke:
I aren't gonna mention any names ( I know and you know who you are ) , but I thought the whole idea of groups was to help ppl and the realm in general get stronger?
Sorry for the length of this post but I felt I had to say something.

P.S. U missed out on a lot of drops guys. Guess we keep them

 

[old.Nero_AnkleBiter]

take a look around the forums theres loads of topics about nightshades releaving grief.

well not just nightshades but rogues in general, but i guess rangers can solo if they need to.

Nero.

 

[old.chesnor]

The problem is simple. Nighshades can potentially out dmg any class out here. That is why they exist.

However tanks get scale, shields, much MUCH better hp etc...and PROTECT. Protect stops the mob turning on the healer/caster btw. Dunno if you knew that...

Protect.........

 

[Aeiedil]

BAH!!! i had 3 shades in a 40ish group i made the other day and we mowed down mobs

 

[old.Halfmad]

Originally posted by chesnor
The problem is simple. Nighshades can potentially out dmg any class out here. That is why they exist.

However tanks get scale, shields, much MUCH better hp etc...and PROTECT. Protect stops the mob turning on the healer/caster btw. Dunno if you knew that...

Protect.........

<points at stuff above>

that's all true..

but that's no reason to not group a class that can dish out damage

oh and you dont need PROTECT if the mob dies fast by the way

 

[old.Moriaana]

I am speccing my heroine as sword/shield. I have both protect and guard, both of which were on the NS. I arent bothered that they didnt want to join, we got more xp and drops that way. It's the manner in which shades are treated
I am NEVER gonna make a shade

 

[Lessurl]

Heh, it's funny how many people will join a grp with a bard tho. I too was usin an alt of mine (bard, love that fast song ) to help a lower lvl shade alt in my guild. (same guild btw, come join us we r shade friendly ). Without flagging for more peeps or askin around within about 10 mins the grp had ballooned to include 2 bms, me, my shade friend, and 2 rangers. We went on to mow down the blackthorn forests among other mobs and my guildmate gained 2 lvls

I wont refuse to grp anyone, partly b cos i had bad experiences tryin to get grps for my eld and also bcos i'm such a nice guy Puke: )
So as i said on another post, anyone havin a rough time findin a grp who aint too high or too low lvl fer me (ok so i'm a bit levellist ) just mess me or one of my alts and assumin i have time or amn't in a full group i'll let u join anyday.

p.s. mori, why not try messin me next time, i would like to lvl my bard too u know

 

[old.Shengi]

I heard a similar thing about a guy not wanting to group when there was a stalker/ranger in the group.

This is all BS imo and what it comes down to in the end is ignorance.


I have some real great experience from grouping with Infils when I played scout on Albion.

Now Im looking for a Nightshade to group with. Preferably just one to start with.

If you are a lvl 20-23ish NS and wanna try something with me. Msg me ingame or post here

Im lvl 22 atm and for what I have in mind its essential you are my lvl +-2

If things work out as I think, then we add a healer and then we really start r0ckin´

 

[old.Rahvinn]

The only thing I got aginst shaes is that they can get agro'd killed and cause grief in the party, then again so do casters

I got nothign against shades, they are hard to play but good in groups and if you say your not grouping with a shade your misisng out cos they roll and dive , so funny

Rangers can solo but takes VERY long and dangerous

 

[Aeiedil]

Advice for shades stuck soloing, try and get a friendly druid Yesterday I was really pissed, spent 2 hours soloing, got about 0.25 bubbles, and died

Betta then came and offered to watch over me to make sure it didnt happen again, and did some soloing nearby (there was conviniently a spot that was just right for a druid of 44 levels next to my spot)

Betta buffed, and OMG, I was mowing through the yellow\blues like there was no tommorow, only had to stop for endurance, the speed I was hitting for was unbelievable really And after I mini'd I saw a giant high-yellow chicken, and I solo'd it with a slither of life to spare Dammit they hit fast couldn't get my evade styles to pull off they hit me again waaay too fast, almost as fast as I was hitting in fact

 

[old.Moriaana]

I would have messaged u lessurl, except u wernt online

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Aeiedil
Advice for shades stuck soloing, try and get a friendly druid

Try a friendly bard
Ok so you'd have to grp with them and hence be of similar lvl but with end song shades kick ass. My shade friend could virtually solo orange with little healin interference from me. (infact without healin i'm pretty sure she would have survived anyway)

 

[Whandall]

Shades rock! Ohh and Less.....we should group again

PS: @Aeiedil im not to dump to climb....im bugged

 

[old.Elyne]

well for succeseful group you need preferably tank (better shield hero), bard (may be 2 bards, or ment/bard) and druid all others you can fill with NS, nukers, rangers or other damage dealers, so actually I do not understand why ppl do not like NS or rangers in groups - they can do nice damage.
On the other hand NS guys - look at this: NS is fun in RvR and many would like to be NS, I also started NS alt whom I took to lvl 15 already in 2 days, 3d day should be lvl 20 - he is fun to play so actually what I want to say ... look on % of shades, rangers on the server - its out of equilibrium - yes its fun to play NS - lets make all NS and then uke: on each other that no1 heals and tanks.

 

[old.Fae]

Absolute bollocks about shades being a bad class in groups, yeah we are hard to play but played well were no more trouble than a caster. Sure were not stood far back so we get more aggro but played right we don't get aggro we also have de-taunt which casters don't.

I have played my shade solo for last two levels 28 - 30 and its soul destroying at times. Miss your perf open and your in trouble and you can loose 4 hours play by dying once. Simply having a healer to give you enough to leg it helps.

Endless hours flagged as solo not a peep, even grabbed lower level healers to give me the edge but seems only groups are friends who know the score or large groups when your real lucky.

Also the idea of going to known xp areas to find groups is a bit duff travelling all over the place to get a "no thanks" is a bit annoying. I can't xp in these areas solo so its purely a trip to ask get a "no" and move on. Didn't play this game to move around begging for groups, Ill message and get the standard "no thanks" solo a bit more and eventually swap to a bard alt and relax into the "Mr Popular" class.

Even tried the create a group and used my bard with a mates ranger and didn't get much that way even got told they only had one spot loose the ranger.

Next time you got a slot don't dismiss a stealther out of hand try it you may be surprised.

 

[Whandall]

Uhm another idea ist to group with other stalkers. I grouped yesterday with a 31 shade(im 34) and we killed orange torcs and the higher roan steppers. I got about 3million exp - which was not best but ok(getting 5million for a high yellow with huge downtime and 2 trys)

Also good groups are 1 Ranger and 1-2 Shades. Ranger crits mob and shade slows hte mob down(crippling/stun) on the way. This tactic gives the ranger 1-2 more shots and the mob will be dead or down to less than 20% in melee......very short downtime then

Well sure you can get more exp in a good group in CM or bog but you wont find one.........

I still hear comments like "Shades suck in everything but RvR" from tanks. And there are not much ppl around that know its not true.

Edit: ohh and for level 30 soloing - try Squabblers and boicadhe(dunno the name...those small faeries) They give good exp and are easy to kill

 

[old.Takahome]

Shade in group...

They rn´t that bad in group, at lvl 40+ I believe they r certainly good enough (bad shade can´t survive past 35). But lots of lower NS (no twists) don´t know wot they must do, they just hit, and eating hits...

Anyway, I´ve groupped rarely with NSs, due to the lack of em at high lvl, atm I believe that iziz and klazart r the only ones past 45, fingon´s 44 am I rite? Nero 41 and retired, daisy 42, Aeidel (sp?) 42, not many of them (maybe miss sb, sor in that case). The question is, how much damage can a NS do in a group with main damage dealer as mages? Sure u do quite good OPEN damage with PA, but I can do 600- with the last pbaoe anytime and no aggro at all, so my group would prefer much much more sb who can taunt and eat hits than sb who can´t, melee group past 40... or 45 can never kill quicker than a 3/2 pbaoer group, so few ppl DO bothering to form one, and then find that their kill rate is way too slow, mezzing group´s not that good in hib (in alb I believe that those goblins BAF like mad, so a sorc is the MR group friendly there past 45+, I know xaktoz in alb/pyd almost 50 if not 50 already)

Wot I try to say is u CAN have a NS in ur group, maybe u´ll prefer a shield tank anyday of the week, but I know more BAD tanks than anything else, a NS past 40 is a good one, doubtless he knows wot he can do, but he´ll never be that popular than a shield hero/warden (damn all the 44+ wardens r always in group, but now me too )

Iziz btw u still lvling? Rarely c u lvl lately, still 48 eh? (if u need a fin group, u know who lives there )

 

[old.Elyne]

well sure PBAOE group will give more xp then any other group - Im talking ebout old good style group - tank/healer/bard/damage dealers, NS who knows how to play is good as damage dealer as well as ranger or normal nuker

 

[iziz]

Iziz btw u still lvling? Rarely c u lvl lately, still 48 eh? (if u need a fin group, u know who lives there )

Nope - stopped 1-2 weeks ago. Bored
Have been playing as a refugee on Pryd/Alb lately. Might re-roll to Excal/Alb soon ... looks like they need the help

 

[Aeiedil]

Kirnan, level 47 shade, hasnt been on for ages

if he had carried on leveling he would have hit 50 ages ago

 

[Jace]

Nooooo Iziz, don't you dare defect

As a lvl41 Shade I could talk all day about grouping but we all know the issues involved.

Just wanted to say that far too many people lose sight of the reason we all play this game, FUN.

Trying to always get the the perfect group or the absolute best XP all the time spoils everyone's fun, something more people need to keep in mind I think

 

[old.Laryssa]

NO IZIZ !!!

don't do this - we need u here ...
I know leveling is a pain in the ass and to find groups (well we had th etopic already) is nearly impossible (I experienced it too - but recently I got some attention).

@Tama: nice that u mention how good your chars and how much damage you do - so why don't you share this and get a shade along? would be quite nice - I remember last saturday night as we all stayed to lvl u finally to 48.

It's all about kindness and show effort - it will come back to u.

I will NEVER deny a shade while I set up a group - they are as good as rangers - even more if protected correctly since they help in addon dmg during melee and not drow aggro in first place with crit shots.

 

[Whandall]

Hehe we have some more shades in the mid 30s who wont give up i hope. From Silent Death its:

Kiro with evil level 32
Sulk with mighty level 33
and me with 34

Others i know are Mouse with 35 i think and chaplin with 36

Shades a re growing up! GO FOR IT M8s!

BTW: Anyone got a shadow crystal orb to spare?

 

[old.Laryssa]

i should lvl my shade a bit more (missing xp-spots atm since faerie drakes turned blue/green ) - but I need my Menta first on lvl43 for power regen 3 ...

ranger/shade should work great - crit shot and follow ups and then PA when the mob reaches the ranger

 

[old.Takahome]

Laryssa

I´m more wised to take a shade, but I won´t make groups anymore, I´ll just help my friend or NSs

Btw GRATZ inguma on his 50 and mentolado 50 too, I know who to kidnap now if I need mana regen 5 and 6 sec bubble

Just logged, on my group there´s a ranger lvl 41, he does as much (I tnk less) than a NS, as I said, I will lvl any NS my group wish, but I´m not the one who decide that, I´ll try to help as much as I can though (just got 2 bubble xp playing 1 hour have never xpered that fast...)

BTW iziz´s got NO problem in getting into any group at all, she lvled faster than a demon... she was green to me... and now stayed at 48 4 ages... she´s just not in an xping mood

Oh iziz DON´T go alb... they got better terrain... better equipment... better quest... better all... but hib´s disneyland hehe, u can drive a golf cart here, where else can u do it?