Aoe Querry

[Nightmare NINJA]

Hello M8s

I have something that i have been wondering about for a whiile..

Being a mana specced Mentalist my only real Offensive spells are Aoe Dot and targettted DOT with the standard mage blasts.

When ever im RvR im itching to get my AoE DOT out as I think it does a fair amount of damage and i think it screews casters right up, but im always aware of Bards doing there wonderfull AoE Mezz which normally holds a fair amount of people and allows everyone to get in and some damage while holding back some the onslaughtof death!

As this DOT breaks mezzez its really not used unless its a last resort and then i Die or maybe when assaultiing or defending Keeps! So i rarely get to use this AoE in combat as i dont want to piss people off by breaking mezzez!

So I then look at say the albion spells and they get an AoE stun which would be a lot better than a mezz in my scenario and allow this spell line to work effectivly, so why have Hib not been given some AoE Stuns to make my game more fun ;0)

Is this just another of the things that we Hibs have to endurte or am I just a grumbleing Mentalist who needs more RPs....

I gues other Mages have AoE spells so do they also hang back from useing these to last resort in which case they must have similar views to me or am i do something wrong ;0)

Just a question so views would be appreciated and maybe Im missing something so you can help me become more effective at RvR with any helpful comments ;0)

I will soon have 5x Mana Regen and dont mind giveing mana regen to anyone but it seems a bit piontless to take a char to lvl 50 only to be a support unit to keep everyones mana up...

Hmmmm enjoy...

Hope to see you fellow Hibs in RvR alot more when im lvl 50 but if you can offer any tips i would be gratefull ;0)

Take Care Friends

Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

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[Jonaldo]

I have similar troubles with DoTs - great for pve but useless for rvr as it takes 20 seconds for the DoT to finish and most rvr conflicts take about 5 seconds to finish.

Only time I get to use AOE DoT is when defending keeps I can really annoy invaders at the door or attacking keeps I can keep enemy PBAOE's by targetting the doors and casting it.. also by DoTing the battlements you will stop enemy casters from nuking for a bit.

But at respec I'll be lowering mana spec and going 45 light as I get fed up with taking 6 shots to kill anyone in rvr these days, sure I'll have worse mana crack but level 3 will be ok for me ans if it's not good enough for others well..... it's my game dammit

 

[old.Iunliten]

Originally posted by Nightmare NINJA

So I then look at say the albion spells and they get an AoE stun which would be a lot better than a mezz in my scenario and allow this spell line to work effectivly, so why have Hib not been given some AoE Stuns to make my game more fun ;0)

Stun is bad.
AE stun is worse.
Insta AE stun is... well even sicker.

You should get whipped for wanting any of them

Where do albion get AE stun though?

AE stun and PBAE in same realm is BAD combination, really bad so doubt albion got it.

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

Hmm maybe im mistaken then, my real point was it seems pretty crap that you cannot use your best spells in RvR combat!

I was hopeing someone was gonna say lets screw the AoE mezzez and lets let all the mages do as many AoE's as possible and see what happens i guess we will prob last the same amount of time!

The point is at high lvl RvR Hib fighting power is restricted by the power of AoE Mezz, because it stops other AoE dmg casters unleashing there powers.

I guess its all relative really if you have 5 aoe dmg people and one aoe mezzer then you should let the AoE Dmg do there stuff, but if you had 5 AoE mezzers and 1 AoE Dmger then you would let the AoE mezzers have there fun!

But it seems a pity as there is one or 2 chars (Bards/ Light Eldies) that can AoE Mezz and prob 3 chars (Ment/Elb/ Ench)that can AoE Dmg/DOT ? Do you See My Point ?

Any way I only play Hib so screw other realms it was only an example ;0)

Take Care Friends ;0)

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

So now i wonder wheter im gonna respec to a light Ment when im 50 just for RvR, the Mana Spec Ment is axcellent for Xp but looks like its less powerfull in RvR!

Just out of intrest Cornell what dmg does your light specced DD do compared to the standard bolts and do you have the same issues with your AoE DD as with the AoE DOT, guess they can be remezzed after you AoE DD them!


Take Care Friends

Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

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[Jonaldo]

Well my AE nukes are 4 second cast time which renders them mostly useless in rvr except for when fighting Albs as luckily they are very stupid.... will update on damage as only posted this to gain me another stat on message posting (still not a patch on Mattshanes multiposting just for making 1 point)

(J/K BTW Matt ... I'm sur not everyone hates you as much as you hate yourself) it's a personal psychology issue

 

[old.Jadow]

You're forgetting one of the most important and valuable points of AoE DoT. It destealths infs/sb's and -keeps- them destealthed during the damage tics.

One of the most annoying spells possible for us - don't underestimate that, especially with your current lack of high level nightshades.

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake

 

[Jonaldo]

True Jadow but it's not the damage it does that is dangerous, only the fact you are being hit over a 20 second period. So the lowest level AE dot will be able to keep any stealthers visible for a while even though doing very little damage.

I'll be lowering my mana spec so will still have an AE dot but just less damaging, still enough to annoy stealthers and casters all the same.

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

I have now decided that im gona stick to Mana at the respec but max it all the way at the mo i spent 10 in light ;0)

My AoE DOT should kick out 100 Dmg/Tick so i reckon its gonna be worth keeping and also Maganda cast fer 5x Regen on me in Df and it was well rapid !

Guess this needs some more thought, but I m gonna stick to Mana for the 5 x Regen!

C U Soon M8s!

Hope i get to DOT You sometime Jadow!!

Heheh

CU M8s

Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

Keepers of the Sacred Nut

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[Nemesis Warlock]

----->True Jadow but it's not the damage it does that is dangerous, only the fact you are being hit over a 20 second period. So the lowest level AE dot will be able to keep any stealthers visible for a while even though doing very little damage.

yes , cornell but ... low lvls DOT gets simply resisted.. doesnt it ?

 

[old.Mitsu]

No its level based

 

[old.Merino]

Hi!

Well Ninja

Whether to stay with the mana template or switch to light is a matter of your play style. Don't forget you not only have AoE DoT but normal DoTs as well. There is a big discussion about tactics for mentalist, you might want to check out www.mypetmage.com , the leading site for Hib mage characters.
AoE DoTs are nice for keep defences and bottleneck camping (milegates spring to my mind), normal DoTs after a baseline nuke (if you're going for the 36/35/x template) can finish many a player trying to escape from the initial damage. Nukers often see their targets run away after one nice hit, something the DoTer smiles about.
Take your time and do some sound thinking, you only have one respec.
Good luck

Merino
Hibpryd Champ of 38th season with a little mentalist alt

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

HeHe Merino

I have often used the MyPetMage Site , great site for any Hib Mage ;0)

I think they have just increased the range of my AoE DOT so its same as my DD speells, so in the Lets all Line Up and Die battles I may now be able to Hit people !

The point about desteathing Enemy is a valid point but remeber the AoE DOT is a targetted spell so you got to have a target before you can fire it, so again its limited!

But Im now 100% sure im sticking to be a Full Specced Mana (5x Mana Regen, 135 HP Health Regen, DOT, AoE DOT Mentalist with the rest in Mentalisum for the 298 HP Heal.

I am fortunate enough to play alot with a Light Eldritch Horatio Hornblower, he handles the Damage Out Put and I Keep Him Cracked Up and get some DOT's out when I can ;0)

Sure this really is a matter of preferance but as there are so few Mentalist on Hib/Pry would be nice to be one of the few to be able to give people 5x Mana regen ;0)

hope to See You All Soon (Dead or Alive)

Nightmare NINJA
4X Mentalist
Keepers Of The Sacred Nutt
Joint GM ;0)

 

[Frair]

well Ninja, i suggest not to go fully to mana after respec. Instead go 44 mana (best aoe nuke) and 28 mentalism. it's not so hard to raise mana to 50 with items/realm rank, while 28 mentalism will gives you a spell that everyone will love you for - PURGE! just don't stay too close to tanks and if some nasty minstrell AOE mezz or someone else AOE stun your comrades, qc purge on bard (so he can unleash his/her aoe mezz) and then rest of group. They will love you as they would be able to save their 30min purge for better time )

Also in mana is nice HP regen - really great after somone is hitted by caster/archer during keep defence. 15sec sit with your regen spell, and half HP is back in no time

So it's tru that mana/ment mentalists are supporters, not nukers.. but they are dam good supporters

 

[old.Zoltar]

Yupp, AOE dot is pretty useless in standard RvR, but if you've tried it in a keep defence you will love it !

I have mana 46 (best crack/ best aoe dot) .

Last keep defence I participated in, I did more than 35000 dmg total with only dot's. I actually killed 8 people with dot's

Added bonus is the interrupt factor, so I guess there were some angry trolls not getting their heals, possibly (hopefully ) dying because of it.

On keep defences, your standard targets are the healers/archers/nukers (they dont want to stand at the battering ram feeling the pbaoers). Another added bonus is therefore the mana cost for these guys. They have to heal themselves to stay alive, instead of tanks at gate.

Single target dot is pretty nasty as well. And after the patch, it is even more useful because alot of ppl will just purge it away, and therefore be mezz targets.
AOE dot and follow up with aoe mezz a few seconds later. The people that have purged the dot will be mezzed. The people that havent purged it away will still have a nasty dot hanging on them

Just wait till patch 1.52 when dot's are int based (more dmg ). Combine that with crit on duration spells RA, and we are talking dot's that can do more than 200 per tick !

And btw: mana is never a problem


Zoltar

 

[old.mattshanes]

WHAT?CORNELL?WHAT?WHAT?WHAT?

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

Hi Zoltar

You are very correct m8 the AoE DOT is a verstile spell, Greta Fun on Keep Raids, either casting it on the doors when they being bashed or casting it on the people on the battlements (Usually followed by a big bang and a dead Mentalist).

Your explaination is complete and I can add no more...

I am definatly gonna put mana to 46 for the last AoE DOT and the rest in ment for the heals and mezz.

Still would be nice to meet you in Hib Fellow Ment!!

Now I just have to get to lvl 50 and can unleashs the full power!!

C U Soon M8s ;0)

Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

Keepers of the Sacred Nut

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[Nightmare NINJA]

Just to Update On some points if any other people are reading this thread!

I currently have the secound best AoE DOT and DOT in the Mana Line (Mana At 40), I have also bought some realm ablities, I had 19 in total so went for the Chance to Critical DOT Realm Ablity, and took it to lvl so now got 15% chance to Crit. Also managed to get the Afernal Demon Staff Of Mana from Df which helps a lot (+5 Mana) so Mana is pretty maxed out!!


Basically this has upped my Dmg Output Considerably with some of my DOT's hitting the 150 HP/ Tick MArk. Considering Ive not maxxed in mana yet and have the best AoE DOT to come Im gonna be a mage killer over time ;0) Soon to be about 200 Hp/Tick Dot nice ......

Wondering if your DOT's would give more dmg if you maxed Mana to 50, i.e not stopping at the 46 mark for the highest Mana regen and AOE??

Ideal for those Keep Raid Situations And Generally Annoying the enemy!

Any Way Cheers

Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

Keepers of the Sacred Nut

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[old.Jadow]

200 DoT?

That's like AoE rangerd lifebane X 2 + a bit

nerf!

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of The Lake

 

[Astrakhan]

Hey, was on holiday so didn't get a chance to contribute to this fine thread.

And now it's all been said.

Yes, you can go light and be a nuker with some nice support stuff, but I reckon if you want to be a nuker you can do it better as an Eldie or a Chanter. DoTs may have their pros and cons, but they are OUR thing.

So, I may well respec from 36/35/19 to 46/0/28.

Meanwhile in RvR I crack, heal, nuke (when people are looking), AoE DoT (when no-one can see me) and QC mezz the big rockery or dustbin that's trying to cleave my head open with something the size of a lamp post.

Oh, and destealth infis and SBs by impaling myself on their weapons.

Being a ment may not be the best thing for single handedly clawing your way to the top of the RP table, but it gives you plenty to think about and it's FUN.

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

Exactly Astare!!!

Get spending them Realm Ablities ......

Remeber you only have a % chance to critical so dont worry Jadow it normally DOTs nearer the 100 mark but occasionally some poor people are gonna get hit with a 200 DOT and its gonna hurt ;0)

Get saveing those diamonds Astare the Afernal Demon Staff of Mana Is Lush... And seeing as its impossible to Find a good Mana Staff anywhere else its the only real option for a Mana Based Menta ;0)


Nightmare NINJA

Lvl 4X Mentalist

Keepers of the Sacred Nut

Joint GM
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My Crack Aint The Best (Yet) But It Sure Gets You High ;0)

I used to be Ok until the Darkness Consumed Me .......

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

Bahhh I meant the Infernal Mallison Staff Of Mana.

(+ 5 Mana)

The one you buy for diamonds ;0)

Sorry /...

Hehe

 

[Sarnat]

DoTs wont interrupt spellcasting after the 1st tick.

 

[Nightmare NINJA]

Tis true but you goona either

1. Cast a heal spell

2. Cast Purge RA

3. Get Healer to Grp Purge

4. Say F*** It And Carry On AS You got Loads OF HP

5. Continue Casting And Get Hit By Another DOT .... (Hehehe)

6. Die


Nightmare NINJA

Keepers Of The Sacred Nut

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Lvl 4X Mana/Ment Metalist (DOT Specalist)

 

[Sharma]

Re: Re: Aoe Querry

Originally posted by old.Iunliten

AE stun and PBAE in same realm is BAD combination, really bad so doubt albion got it.

former PBAE alb

 

[old.Tzeentch]

What in the hell...

Was bored, came to see how it is here..

Firstly, my spec - 48 mana, 24 light, 6 mentalism.

My single target dot is.. well... simply put.. KILLER.. if this guy crits good, it's all over.

My 46 AE is insane.. I have wild arcana 4, and at keep defense/attack, you cannot imagine the hurting I put on a whole load of people... I recast it several times to get some more crits going, and keep mages interrupted so they back away and don't send a bolt my way

Mana 5, HoT 5, yeah, we all know these..

My nukes in RvR hit for about 380-450 now, considering we have all power relics on exc, and my light is closing in on 40 with items.. variation is not so bad.

Base DoT and heals have a large variation, but it is not a worry for me, since I am not going for a full support class, and the support benefits of the mana line coupled with the offensive capability of the light line, is great for soloing, and grouping for RvR.

Yeah, I'm not gonna match the full light spec enchanter for nuking power, but it is sufficient for me to take out a tank with my DoTs and a few nukes.

I would strongly suggest to you, that do NOT stop mana at 44.. you are insane not to pick up that last AE spell, if not the final spec DoT..
Don't even bother with getting the cure mezz spell at mentalism 28, we're not primary mezzers, we don't have AE mezz, we dont have insta mezz, and the mentalism line in iteself is kinda screwed really.. the only reason to spec mentalism is to get better heals and a lower variance on baseline DoT..
Bards will be getting cure mezz in their baseline anyway (I think it is baseline.. but if not, they ARE getting it somewhere), and you cannot compete really...

Blah, well, that's my take on it