Any1 know of....

Airalith

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Hi all,

ive heard talk of a minstrel ToA template thats realy good, mite have been speedy one. which max's all stats and everything needed but doesnt actually use any arti's! :eek2:

is this true?

If so where can i find it?

Thx all
 

Zebolt

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No it's not true, it's not possible to max everything usefull without artifacts and I doubt since mincer is both figher and spellcaster in a way it's not possible to max everything...
 

Wazkyr

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you cant get stuff like speed or dmg from non artis, so this really cant be posible, fake rumor
 

Neffneff

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you can get ToA bonus' without artis..cast spd, melee spd, melee dmg, spell dmg etc etc, so its not impossible..and i wouldnt be surprised if it was true..most the time i find artifacts a hinderance to templates (in stats departments etc)....note i said MOST not all.
 

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Melee/spell dmg and spell range is restricted to artifacts. Speed however isn't..
 

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ML10 stuff also has range/dmg. But less than artifacts. Considering most of the very good non-artifact items are harder to get than artifacts... I'd just go with the artys ;P
 

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Zebolt said:
Melee/spell dmg and spell range is restricted to artifacts. Speed however isn't..

an example for you:

Gem of The Brute

9% cold resist
+21 strength
+4 parry
+60 hits
+2% melee dmg


there are plenty of items out there with the stats people want on them.
 

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Neffneff said:
an example for you:

Gem of The Brute

9% cold resist
+21 strength
+4 parry
+60 hits
+2% melee dmg


there are plenty of items out there with the stats people want on them.
That 2% melee dmg is only for PvE though so people usually dont want it :p
 

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Ony real reason to use artis in a template is because of their unique abilities, stuff like stealthlore, mezzturning etc. Most of the pure stat bonus stuff (statcap, extra spd/dmg whatever) can be capped without artis.
 

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Fana said:
Ony real reason to use artis in a template is because of their unique abilities, stuff like stealthlore, mezzturning etc. Most of the pure stat bonus stuff (statcap, extra spd/dmg whatever) can be capped without artis.
Haven't seen a single non-artifact with +melee/spell damage that would work against other players - all of them have some sort of requirement (Gem of the Brute for example: Melee Damage: 2% vs Animal, Humanoid, Undead and no, according to Mythic we are not humanoids :p).
 

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Saggy said:
Haven't seen a single non-artifact with +melee/spell damage that would work against other players - all of them have some sort of requirement (Gem of the Brute for example: Melee Damage: 2% vs Animal, Humanoid, Undead and no, according to Mythic we are not humanoids :p).
Someone already said ML10 weapons.

Please try and keep up.
 

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Rulke said:
Someone already said ML10 weapons.

Please try and keep up.
Read the posts in the order they have been made - there was absolutely nothing mentioned about requirements before my post and like I said, I haven't seen any non-artifact with +melee/spell damage. ML10 weapons have +dmg that work on other players? Good to know.

Please try and learn the basics of reading.
 

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Saggy said:
Melee Damage: 2% vs Animal, Humanoid, Undead and no, according to Mythic we are not humanoids :p).

oh shite..we not humanoids? this game is fecked up!

<<runs of to redo a couple of templates>>
 

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Zebolt said:
Melee/spell dmg and spell range is restricted to artifacts. Speed however isn't..

its NOT posible to get items with melee nor spell dmg in rogs, as said, only artis got dmg, you can get spell range on ml10 drops tho, im pretty sure on that, and yes some drops got speed.
And no, we aint humanoids, we are pvp-oids
 

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Config Report

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Prolly not the best 1 out there but works for me :)

Jimjum
 

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Wazkyr said:
its NOT posible to get items with melee nor spell dmg in rogs, as said, only artis got dmg, you can get spell range on ml10 drops tho, im pretty sure on that, and yes some drops got speed.
And no, we aint humanoids, we are pvp-oids
Clicky, Clicky and Clicky for examples :p
 

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Ok, I didn't know about ml10 drops, but other than that I was right :p

It's still not possible to do a template like the thread maker asked for :>
 

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Sarnat said:
ML10 stuff also has range/dmg.

Saggy said:
Haven't seen a single non-artifact with +melee/spell damage that would work against other players

Saggy said:
Read the posts in the order they have been made - blah blah.
Please try and learn the basics of reading.

Bear with me here, my reading isn't so good, but isn't 6 before 9?
 

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Rulke said:
Bear with me here, my reading isn't so good, but isn't 6 before 9?
Yes, you can count by using your fingers and indeed, 6 comes before 9 so dont worry, you can handle the basics of math. Now, go back and read Sarnat's and my posts - does Sarnat say anything about ML10 stuff having +dmg that works againts other players? No, he says that ML10 stuff has +dmg, that's all, but so does many ROGs - with different requirements.
Saggy said:
Haven't seen a single non-artifact with +melee/spell damage that would work against other players - all of them have some sort of requirement (Gem of the Brute for example: Melee Damage: 2% vs Animal, Humanoid, Undead and no, according to Mythic we are not humanoids :p ).
I'm not blind, I knew what Sarnat had said and would have checked out ML10 items if I had knew what to look for - none of my characters have reached ML1 yet so I know fuck all about MLs and at that point I hadn't seen any non-artifacts with +damage that would work against other players...
Rulke said:
Someone already said ML10 weapons.

Please try and keep up.
...and you give reply like that instead of giving an example of ML10 items with +dmg :rolleyes: Anyway, it was you, not Sarnat, who said ML10 items have +dmg that works against other players so thanks for that.
Rulke said:
Read the posts in the order they have been made - there was absolutely nothing mentioned about requirements before my post and like I said, I haven't seen any non-artifact with +melee/spell damage. ML10 weapons have +dmg that work on other players? Good to know.
It was that "blah blah" part with the main point by the way so please, once you learn the basics of reading try and learn some forum manners too starting with the part: "How to quote?".
 

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Saggy said:
Yes, you can count by using your fingers and indeed, 6 comes before 9 so dont worry, you can handle the basics of math. Now, go back and read Sarnat's and my posts - does Sarnat say anything about ML10 stuff having +dmg that works againts other players? No, he says that ML10 stuff has +dmg, that's all, but so does many ROGs - with different requirements.

I'm not blind, I knew what Sarnat had said and would have checked out ML10 items if I had knew what to look for - none of my characters have reached ML1 yet so I know fuck all about MLs and at that point I hadn't seen any non-artifacts with +damage that would work against other players...

...and you give reply like that instead of giving an example of ML10 items with +dmg :rolleyes: Anyway, it was you, not Sarnat, who said ML10 items have +dmg that works against other players so thanks for that.

It was that "blah blah" part with the main point by the way so please, once you learn the basics of reading try and learn some forum manners too starting with the part: "How to quote?".

u write a completly bitchy reply and then tlk about learning forums manners :clap: go you.
also if u dont know about something dont blankly deny it... u cant get any items with out artis that blah blah blha.... oh wait sum1 prooved(sp?) u wrong.
so plz find out things before u post and dont be such a hypocrit.
 

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Lakashnik said:
u write a completly bitchy reply and then tlk about learning forums manners :clap: go you.
Yes, bitchy reply to a bitchy reply, your point being?
Lakashnik said:
also if u dont know about something dont blankly deny it... u cant get any items with out artis that blah blah blha.... oh wait sum1 prooved(sp?) u wrong.
What exactly did I deny? I said I hadn't seen any non-artis with +dmg that work against other players, mmkay? I didn't say there isn't such items, I said I haven't seen any, mmkay? Rulke corrected me wrong which I'm glad and thanked him about it. Oh, the point wasn't who is right and who is wrong, the point was that Rulke didn't understand what I said.
Lakashnik said:
so plz find out things before u post and dont be such a hypocrit.
Erm, did you even read what I said? Go you :rolleyes:
Saggy said:
I'm not blind, I knew what Sarnat had said and would have checked out ML10 items if I had knew what to look for - none of my characters have reached ML1 yet so I know fuck all about MLs and at that point I hadn't seen any non-artifacts with +damage that would work against other players...
Sorry, I have to give same advice to you as I gave to Rulke - learn to read, please? Once you understand what others are saying you can call them hypocrits and stuff when there is a need for it, before that I suggest you to keep your mouth shut unless you want to make fool of yourself. Hint: I said I would had found out things if I had knew what to search for, searhing for random ML10 stuff to find +dmg took quite long mind you.
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Seriously, where I live people learn to read at 1st grade or sooner, suppose I've to draw pictures to make my point clear for some of you? Nah, will try to make summary of what been said, see if that helps.

Post:
#1) Airalith is looking for a Minstrel template that has no Artifacts but max's all stats and everything else needed.

#2) Zebolt says its not possible to get such an template.

#3) Wazkyr claims that you can't get ToA bonuses such as speed and damage from non-artis so that kind of template is impossible to make.

#4) Neffneff claims that you can get cast spd, melee spd, melee dmg, spell dmg etc from non-artis.

#5) Zebolt claims that melee/spell dmg and spell range is restricted to artifacts while speed isn't.

#6) Sarnat claims that ML10 stuff has range/dmg.

#7) Neffneff gives an example of non-arti with +dmg.

#8) Saggy claims that people usually dont want the above item because that +dmg works only in PvE (requirements).

#9) Fana claims that its possible to cap statcap, speed, dmg and such without Artifacts.

#10 Saggy says that he haven't seen any non-arti with +damage that would work against other players and reminds others that Mythic doesn't consider us humanoids (requirements).

#11 Rulke says that ML10 stuff have +dmg that work against other players and claims that is has already been mentioned, in a bitchy way. (Surely saying "ML10 stuff has items with +dmg that works on other players" would have been enough?)

#12 Saggy advices Rulke to read the posts in the order they have been made to notice Sarnat said nothing about +dmg on ML10 stuff working against other players. As for a result from Rulke's bitchy reply Saggy throws the ball back and advices Rulke to learn the basics of reading. (Surely the post was enough with just the first paragraph and there was no need to be bitchy? Yeah, added the "Please try and learn the basics of reading" when I checked where Rulke is from and because I was in bad mood and tired of people not bothering to read what's been said.)

#13 Neffneff runs to redo few templates because of finding out we are not humanoids according to Mythic.

#14 Wazkyr says that only Artis got +dmg and ML10 stuff probably has +range.

#15 occy posts Minstrel template.

#16 Saggy posts examples of ML10 stuff with +dmg for Wazkyr.

#17 Rulke posts what's been said in post #6, #10 (sorry, you counted wrong ;D) as an answer to post #12 - and totally misundestooding the point (hint: the posts Rulke should have looked into are #8 (where the requirements kicked in and the idea of +dmg died and made room for +dmg in PvE and +dmg in RvR), #10 and #11 (but instead Rulke even cutted that most important part away from quote which is rude).

#18 Saggy makes bitchy reply to Rulke trying to expain his point.

#19 Lakashnik replies to Saggy in a bitchy way without reading what he said.

#20 Saggy replies to Lakashnik in bitchy way and tries one more time to make his point clear.

#2x Probably more posts by people who dont understand written text and flames those who do understand.

#3x People eat pie and popcorn. And maybe even kebab Oo
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Enjoy, no offence meant to anyone, just tired of repeating myself and teaching English to native speakers.

Still didn't get it? Ok, if I say that you can order pizza from local restaurant does it mean you can order a kebab pizza? No, it doesn't, kebab pizza may or may not be on their menu. If I say ML10 stuff have +dmg does it mean it works in PvE? No, it doesn't, it may work in PvE, RvR or both. Ok?

Bored do dont care if I've to explain all of this again :cool:
 

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Roflcopter

also my point being to ur 1st quote.
was that u told him about learning forum manners just after writing a really bitchy reply to him. making u a hypocrit. just so u know.
 

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Saggy said:
Ok i didnt know much about melee, but spell dmg is still imposible without artis, and so is ressist pirce


And great log post by Saggy, almost fun :m00:, you really took time making it, to bad i dont take time reading it :sex:
 

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Saggy said:
#17 Rulke posts what's been said in post #6, #10 (sorry, you counted wrong ;D) as an answer to post #12 - and totally misundestooding the point (hint: the posts Rulke should have looked into are #8 (where the requirements kicked in and the idea of +dmg died and made room for +dmg in PvE and +dmg in RvR), #10 and #11 (but instead Rulke even cutted that most important part away from quote which is rude).
Pfft, #17 is me saying I didn't knew about the ml10 drops but still said the template wasn't possible, noob :p
 

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