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old.Klazartthetank
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Hi guys,
I just thought that maybe I could help some of the NSs who are out there and having trouble exping so i've written an account of my journey to level 50, and I hope that there will be atleast something that every ns will find useful in this. Its only the first version so please excuse the bad typing skills
Suggestions and stuff are welcome as always... anyways its pretty long but here it is... enjoy!!!!!!!!
Klazart.
Its pretty long so i'm gonna have to post it in 2/3 parts
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A Shade’s road to level 50
Version 1.0
Table of contents
1) Introduction
2) Joining Exp groups
- Using the Search option
- Guild groups and exp
- Grouping with friends
- Searching the hard way (the most successful way)
- Communication – Lies and Replies
3) Making Exp groups – Intro
- Normal/mez groups
a) Who you need
b) How to get them
- PBAOE groups
a) What you need
b) Variations
c) Chat groups – the KEY to PBAOE
d) Replacements
Introduction
Well I finally made level 50 a couple of weeks back. And I’m finding that there are still a lot of NSs who seem to have trouble exping and finding exp groups. The sad truth is that a NS must literally beg/borrow/steal in order to get into exp groups, except in certain circumstances.
I myself have level’d almost completely in groups all the way through because I personally don’t enjoy solo’ing too much. And to be honest it’s a lot harder for a NS to solo than it is for other classes. That being said I have to say that I have never been invited to an exp group. Even my friends who I EXP’d with on a regular basis, would not actually check to ask me into their group, but to their credit, if there was a space in their group and I asked, they wouldn’t lie about it and would let me in, without that I would prolly not have gotten to level 50.
Joining Exp groups
Using the Search Option
Now lets talk about how to get into exp groups. There are a few ways to do this. One is to click on the tab that shows you who around your level is flagged as waiting for a group, and the group leaders who are looking for members. The truth is this method only really works for healers, i.e. wardens, druids, bards etc. And its only really used by lower level peeps. The second truth about this is, that the chances of you finding a group this way are really, really low. Simple reason is that most group leaders flag themselves as looking for healers, or for tanks etc. Very rarely do they flag as looking for rogues (make that never).
Guild groups and exp
Another way to find groups is to ask in guild chat, and the truth is, if u are in a good guild, and someone in the guild is forming an exp group, they might say, that they are making a group and invite you to join. I actually DID get groups this way for a few levels. The problem with this is that it varies from person to person in that you might find there are people in your guild (well they have to be in SOMEONE’s guild right?) who don’t like grouping NSs.
Okay so if the above don’t really work to well, what DOES work? Well the next three methods seemed to work best for me and they are as follows.
Grouping with friends
Firstly, make a set of friends. A bunch of people who you can group with all the time. I’m not trying to be cynical and say that you should make friends just so they group you. But the fact is that it helps. Basically you need to find people who START ( I can’t stress more importantly on START) playing around the same time as you. Because the truth is the only real chance for a NS to get into a group is when its being formed, once its made, don’t expect to be invited to replace someone, cause the chances of this are really low, but there is no harm in getting into a queue anyways. For me I used to play a lot late night. I would start at like 10-11pm and play till the early mornings, and I found that there was a group of people who were regularly online at this time, and so I started grouping with them. We all became friends and grouped together regularly. Hell they even kept a spot for me in the queue when I asked. Basically if someone groups you once, then the chances are that they will group you again and that they don’t mind grouping nightshades. This is a great way to get groups especially before level 40. After level 40 it gets a BIT more complicated and I will elaborate more on this later.
Searching the hard way (the most successful way)
The next method is one of searching for groups, and this IMO is the way to search for groups. Say your level 23, so you should do /who 21 25 and this will give you a list of all the players from level 21 to level 25. If this list is too long just do /who 21. If this list is too long also do /who druid 21. Usually its best to start at your own level, in this example you would start by doing /who 23. Look for the healers on the list the druids, wardens, bards. These guys will rarely be ungrouped unless they don’t wanna exp. So then u pm them and ask them if they are in a group, and if so is there any space. Now if your lucky they will say yes there is space and yes you can join and your set. They might say that they will ask their group, in which case say okay thanks, and wait a few mins, if they don’t reply pm again. They might tell you to PM someone else saying that that other person is the group leader. So then you should PM the group leader and ask him, mentioning in the PM that so and so told u to PM him. If he says group is full then you can ask to be put on the queue, and after doing this, move to the next person on your list. Healers, tanks are usually in groups so its best to PM them when searching for groups.
Communication – Lies and replies
While I’m here lets talk a little about the cover-up lies, that people will tell you and how you can tell what they really mean. After a while you will get a pretty good idea of what people mean when they say something, but here are a few basic pointers.
When you PM someone asking if they have space, and they reply that they have to ask their group. This usually means that there is space but they want to ask the group. This may be just standard practice, the person may genuinely want you in the group, but feels that the group should be okay with it also, however the person may also NOT want you in the group, but they don’t want to admit this to themselves or to you, because they don’t like to think that they are selfish. So it would help soothe their conscience if they can get people in their group to also reject you, kind of a share the blame thing.
Rarely this reply might also mean that the person you PM’d is not sure if there is already someone INC to fill the space that’s there.
If someone replies to your PM saying they are full. Then it doesn’t matter weather they have space of not. You should always just say, “ok np thanks anyways L btw is there a waiting list? Can I be on it?”
And if they put you on the waiting list, that’s cool, if not just say “okay thanks, maybe we can group some other time J “ and end the conversation there.
There will be times where you will get really frustrated, when you know that people have space but don’t want to let you in because you are a NS, when you know that you are being treated unfairly. Unfortunately, that comes with the territory of being a NS. What you should NEVER do, is give in to your frustrations and start PM’ing abuse or insults at people who reject you. Neither should you argue with them about grouping nightshades etc. Because the simple fact is this, if they don’t want to group nightshades, NOTHING you will say will make a difference to them. The only thing you will achieve is give the impression of someone who is unnecessarily whining. And they will decide that they will never group you again. Now if they weren’t ever gonna group nightshades anyways its not a problem I guess, but sometimes you will end up giving out to someone who is a nice person and just can’t group you that time, but may group you the next time. In general it pays to be nice to people, and one should never forget that. Too many nightshades harm their cause greatly by bitching at people, and by bitching at their guild. I used to get frustrated and do it a lot myself, but the fact is it doesn’t work, it doesn’t help.
Also you should never ask to leech exp, because people really hate people who leech exp, and generally will RED flag you as far as groups are concerned.
I just thought that maybe I could help some of the NSs who are out there and having trouble exping so i've written an account of my journey to level 50, and I hope that there will be atleast something that every ns will find useful in this. Its only the first version so please excuse the bad typing skills
Suggestions and stuff are welcome as always... anyways its pretty long but here it is... enjoy!!!!!!!!Klazart.
Its pretty long so i'm gonna have to post it in 2/3 parts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A Shade’s road to level 50
Version 1.0
Table of contents
1) Introduction
2) Joining Exp groups
- Using the Search option
- Guild groups and exp
- Grouping with friends
- Searching the hard way (the most successful way)
- Communication – Lies and Replies
3) Making Exp groups – Intro
- Normal/mez groups
a) Who you need
b) How to get them
- PBAOE groups
a) What you need
b) Variations
c) Chat groups – the KEY to PBAOE
d) Replacements
Introduction
Well I finally made level 50 a couple of weeks back. And I’m finding that there are still a lot of NSs who seem to have trouble exping and finding exp groups. The sad truth is that a NS must literally beg/borrow/steal in order to get into exp groups, except in certain circumstances.
I myself have level’d almost completely in groups all the way through because I personally don’t enjoy solo’ing too much. And to be honest it’s a lot harder for a NS to solo than it is for other classes. That being said I have to say that I have never been invited to an exp group. Even my friends who I EXP’d with on a regular basis, would not actually check to ask me into their group, but to their credit, if there was a space in their group and I asked, they wouldn’t lie about it and would let me in, without that I would prolly not have gotten to level 50.
Joining Exp groups
Using the Search Option
Now lets talk about how to get into exp groups. There are a few ways to do this. One is to click on the tab that shows you who around your level is flagged as waiting for a group, and the group leaders who are looking for members. The truth is this method only really works for healers, i.e. wardens, druids, bards etc. And its only really used by lower level peeps. The second truth about this is, that the chances of you finding a group this way are really, really low. Simple reason is that most group leaders flag themselves as looking for healers, or for tanks etc. Very rarely do they flag as looking for rogues (make that never).
Guild groups and exp
Another way to find groups is to ask in guild chat, and the truth is, if u are in a good guild, and someone in the guild is forming an exp group, they might say, that they are making a group and invite you to join. I actually DID get groups this way for a few levels. The problem with this is that it varies from person to person in that you might find there are people in your guild (well they have to be in SOMEONE’s guild right?) who don’t like grouping NSs.
Okay so if the above don’t really work to well, what DOES work? Well the next three methods seemed to work best for me and they are as follows.
Grouping with friends
Firstly, make a set of friends. A bunch of people who you can group with all the time. I’m not trying to be cynical and say that you should make friends just so they group you. But the fact is that it helps. Basically you need to find people who START ( I can’t stress more importantly on START) playing around the same time as you. Because the truth is the only real chance for a NS to get into a group is when its being formed, once its made, don’t expect to be invited to replace someone, cause the chances of this are really low, but there is no harm in getting into a queue anyways. For me I used to play a lot late night. I would start at like 10-11pm and play till the early mornings, and I found that there was a group of people who were regularly online at this time, and so I started grouping with them. We all became friends and grouped together regularly. Hell they even kept a spot for me in the queue when I asked. Basically if someone groups you once, then the chances are that they will group you again and that they don’t mind grouping nightshades. This is a great way to get groups especially before level 40. After level 40 it gets a BIT more complicated and I will elaborate more on this later.
Searching the hard way (the most successful way)
The next method is one of searching for groups, and this IMO is the way to search for groups. Say your level 23, so you should do /who 21 25 and this will give you a list of all the players from level 21 to level 25. If this list is too long just do /who 21. If this list is too long also do /who druid 21. Usually its best to start at your own level, in this example you would start by doing /who 23. Look for the healers on the list the druids, wardens, bards. These guys will rarely be ungrouped unless they don’t wanna exp. So then u pm them and ask them if they are in a group, and if so is there any space. Now if your lucky they will say yes there is space and yes you can join and your set. They might say that they will ask their group, in which case say okay thanks, and wait a few mins, if they don’t reply pm again. They might tell you to PM someone else saying that that other person is the group leader. So then you should PM the group leader and ask him, mentioning in the PM that so and so told u to PM him. If he says group is full then you can ask to be put on the queue, and after doing this, move to the next person on your list. Healers, tanks are usually in groups so its best to PM them when searching for groups.
Communication – Lies and replies
While I’m here lets talk a little about the cover-up lies, that people will tell you and how you can tell what they really mean. After a while you will get a pretty good idea of what people mean when they say something, but here are a few basic pointers.
When you PM someone asking if they have space, and they reply that they have to ask their group. This usually means that there is space but they want to ask the group. This may be just standard practice, the person may genuinely want you in the group, but feels that the group should be okay with it also, however the person may also NOT want you in the group, but they don’t want to admit this to themselves or to you, because they don’t like to think that they are selfish. So it would help soothe their conscience if they can get people in their group to also reject you, kind of a share the blame thing.
Rarely this reply might also mean that the person you PM’d is not sure if there is already someone INC to fill the space that’s there.
If someone replies to your PM saying they are full. Then it doesn’t matter weather they have space of not. You should always just say, “ok np thanks anyways L btw is there a waiting list? Can I be on it?”
And if they put you on the waiting list, that’s cool, if not just say “okay thanks, maybe we can group some other time J “ and end the conversation there.
There will be times where you will get really frustrated, when you know that people have space but don’t want to let you in because you are a NS, when you know that you are being treated unfairly. Unfortunately, that comes with the territory of being a NS. What you should NEVER do, is give in to your frustrations and start PM’ing abuse or insults at people who reject you. Neither should you argue with them about grouping nightshades etc. Because the simple fact is this, if they don’t want to group nightshades, NOTHING you will say will make a difference to them. The only thing you will achieve is give the impression of someone who is unnecessarily whining. And they will decide that they will never group you again. Now if they weren’t ever gonna group nightshades anyways its not a problem I guess, but sometimes you will end up giving out to someone who is a nice person and just can’t group you that time, but may group you the next time. In general it pays to be nice to people, and one should never forget that. Too many nightshades harm their cause greatly by bitching at people, and by bitching at their guild. I used to get frustrated and do it a lot myself, but the fact is it doesn’t work, it doesn’t help.
Also you should never ask to leech exp, because people really hate people who leech exp, and generally will RED flag you as far as groups are concerned.
