AMD64+daoc

[Roteca]

I have plans to upgrade my computer (not for the reason to lag less in games but for other reasons)

and im thinking of a amd 64 winchester cpu, does it work fully in daoc ? I think it should be no prob and way better then a standard barton, but just to be on the safe side, anyone here that has a amd64 and can tell if daoc works as it should ?

[EDIT] also, anyone know if its possible to play games (daoc) on WIN2003 OS ?

 

[Sycho]

I have plans to upgrade my computer (not for the reason to lag less in games but for other reasons)

and im thinking of a amd 64 winchester cpu, does it work fully in daoc ? I think it should be no prob and way better then a standard barton, but just to be on the safe side, anyone here that has a amd64 and can tell if daoc works as it should ?

[EDIT] also, anyone know if its possible to play games (daoc) on WIN2003 OS ?

Apparently winchester athlons are the best versions of the proccessors(discluding FX ones) due to their small sizes they can run at a much cooler rate i was told.If you going for a winchester athlon, 3500 speed seems best value at the moment and you want socket 939 since 754 is going.

I play daoc on windows xp home edition and it runs fine, i expect an athlon of that speed will run daoc very good, i am not sure about your operating system though but the athlon winchester 3500 is the best valued one at the moment on the market and is very fast.

 

[cHodAX]

Get a Winchester 3500, I hear they overclock nicely if you have good memory. People are getting overclocks to an equivelant of P4 4ghz purely by boosting the FSB but even at stock speed it is a bloody fast CPU and will ran anything you can throw at it very fast.

 

[cHodAX]

[EDIT] also, anyone know if its possible to play games (daoc) on WIN2003 OS ?

Not sure, 2003 is mainly a server O/S but that said I run my 2nd PC on Win2000 Server so I would imagine that 2003 should be ok. I will do a little digging around and post back when I get some info.

 

[cHodAX]

Ok, it seems DX9 does work under 2003 BUT you must use WHQL signed drivers for your graphics card. Then go have a read of this...

http://www.visualwin.com/DirectX/

Hope it helps.

 

[Roteca]

Ok, it seems DX9 does work under 2003 BUT you must use WHQL signed drivers for your graphics card. Then go have a read of this...

http://www.visualwin.com/DirectX/

Hope it helps.

ok, the winchester 3500 were already decided, but yea it seems nice. and ill will test out 2003 and see how it works, the main reason i wanna change is cuz xp is fugging up one of my hardrives all the time it reaches over a certain gb with used data, smth to do that the drivers dont support "to" large partitions or smth, althou i havent read any yet about how it is in 2003, but it should work better since its a server os, and servers normaly have way larger hdd's then a home pc.

 

[Joor]

A64 3000+ and the MSI Neo2 nforce3 MB all the way. One of my friends have that combo(which im getting soon too).
The 3000+ runs x9, so u need a high HTT(fsb). But that is not a problem on the MSI MB. 305x9=2745 mhz!! yes he isrunning that 24/7
Ofc u need a good pair of ram

more info here about which MB u should choose : http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44878

And the Official Winchester OC Thread: http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44570

 

[Joor]

Bleh cant edit after 10 min so here update :
If u want high FSB, buy some Ram with Samsung TCCD chip

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43659

Most RAM with TCCD can cap at 320 fsb@ 3-4-4-11.

 

[Joor]

some pics :

 

[Vireb]

Get a Winchester 3500, I hear they overclock nicely if you have good memory. People are getting overclocks to an equivelant of P4 4ghz purely by boosting the FSB but even at stock speed it is a bloody fast CPU and will ran anything you can throw at it very fast.

winchester 3500 at stock speed ,is faster than p4 4ghz in any benchmark anyway, and tbh the winchester 3000 overclocks as well as the 3500 same as clawhammer 3000 is as good as 3500. As for boards not many good 939 boards out atm , best deal is to go 754 dfi lanparty 250g and a clawhammer, yes performace of 939 is marginally better in theory but there are not many boards atm (although nforce 4 is on the horizon with dual PCIe) msi neo is nice board but having a lot of bios problems atm , although ofc that is getting fixed though updates etc

 

[Xeanor]

nice PI score Joor, and I'd like to see your 3Dmark05 score

(wondering if you'll beat mine )

 

[Xeanor]

oh, and I'd like your Mach II pretty please x<

 

[Vireb]

nice PI score Joor, and I'd like to see your 3Dmark05 score

(wondering if you'll beat mine )

its not his and thats running under a mach 2 phase change (note -55c cpu temp)
no wonder its so good , and tbh id hope to get more than 260 fsb with a phase change setup on a64 ( i run 235 fsb 1:1 divider on my athlon mobile, nf7s board and geil golden sample ram) seen people do better on air, especially when a64 setups work really wel with memory dividers to up the HTT

 

[Xeanor]

its not his and thats running under a mach 2 phase change (note -55c cpu temp)
no wonder its so good , and tbh id hope to get more than 260 fsb with a phase change setup on a64 seen people do better on air, especially when a64 setups work really wel with memory dividers to up the HTT

yeah was about to say, it's kinda a bad overclock for a mach II

 

[Joor]

Ye its not my system
Btw winchester cpus tops around 3000 so its still a good OC imo

 

[Joor]

333x9 on MSI Neo2 Platinum

 

[Vireb]

333x9 on MSI Neo2 Platinum

exactly you sayingits good overclock yes mhz wise its good, but id rather have circa 300htt on a64 system , makes huge difference to performance drop multi to 10 and have 290 htt rather than 11 x 260,l
btw link dont work

 

[Joor]

sorry wrong pic..look at new

 

[Vireb]

vnice clock tbh what is a643000 stock 200x9 ? makes my 2500 look lame
http://www.aoxv99.dsl.pipex.com/pc111104.jpg
runs at that 24/7 on air fsb is stuck at 235 some reason fails prime even at 236 and to up multi anymore i'd have to get better psu , as start getting wobbly rails with any higher vcore

 

[Sycho]

I ordered all this last night from overclockers:

AMD Athlon 64 3500 Retail / MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum / 1GB Crucial Ballistix PC4000 Dual Channel Kit - Bundle (BU-031-OK) 1
AMD Athlon 64 3500 (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-086-AM) 1
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-027-MS) 1
Crucial Ballistix PC-4000 BL6464Z505 512MB DDR (MY-016-CR) 2
£399.80 £399.80
Sparkle GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-009-SK) 1
£247.50 £247.50
Arctic Cooling Rev.4 nVidia 5 (6800 Series) VGA Silencer (HS-009-AR) 1
£14.90 £14.90
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu Ultra-Quiet CPU Cooler - Retail (HS-007-ZA) 1
£27.50 £27.50
Arctic Ceramique Thermal Compound (2.7g) (OA-004-AC) 1
£2.95 £2.95
Subtotal £692.65
Shipping (Amtrak Next Day (Mon-Fri) - UK Mainland) £9.75
VAT £122.92
Total £825.32

Did i do a good choice?xE

 

[Vireb]

I ordered all this last night from overclockers:

AMD Athlon 64 3500 Retail / MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum / 1GB Crucial Ballistix PC4000 Dual Channel Kit - Bundle (BU-031-OK) 1
AMD Athlon 64 3500 (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-086-AM) 1
MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-027-MS) 1
Crucial Ballistix PC-4000 BL6464Z505 512MB DDR (MY-016-CR) 2
£399.80 £399.80
Sparkle GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-009-SK) 1
£247.50 £247.50
Arctic Cooling Rev.4 nVidia 5 (6800 Series) VGA Silencer (HS-009-AR) 1
£14.90 £14.90
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu Ultra-Quiet CPU Cooler - Retail (HS-007-ZA) 1
£27.50 £27.50
Arctic Ceramique Thermal Compound (2.7g) (OA-004-AC) 1
£2.95 £2.95
Subtotal £692.65
Shipping (Amtrak Next Day (Mon-Fri) - UK Mainland) £9.75
VAT £122.92
Total £825.32

Did i do a good choice?xE

looks good only thing i would proberly change is the Heatsink but thats only because i would overclock and well zalman are great at stock speeds and v quiet , but not great for oc'ing.
anyways a64 systems rock atm anyway will be v fast. amd are just mopping floor with intel atm until Pentium m chips comedown in price, now they will be scary pentium m 2ghz @ stock whipes floor with pentium 4 4ghz

 

[IainC]

To answer the original question, DAoC should run fine on an Athlon 64 as it also includes native support for 32 bit apps (such as DAoC).
You *should* be able to run Camelot on Win 2003 however it's not a supported OS so if you run into problems in this area we can't help you with them.

 

[Roteca]

To answer the original question, DAoC should run fine on an Athlon 64 as it also includes native support for 32 bit apps (such as DAoC).
You *should* be able to run Camelot on Win 2003 however it's not a supported OS so if you run into problems in this area we can't help you with them.

nice, so next month when tax-repayment arrives i will order a new cpu and retire my old (not old = 3200+ barton) for a web/file server.

and i guess to be safe i try daoc on my fathers comp if ill visit him to be sure it runs on 2003 since it cost a bit to buy. if it wont work i guess my web/file server will be web/file/daoc machine isntead, cuz its to annoying to have a disk that crash just cuz the OS wont accept that the disk have over a certain amount of data on it. not 100% sure it works as it should on 2003 either, but i guess it will since its a server OS and servers more often have larger drives then a home pc as i said earlier in a post...

 

[Roteca]

And to the OC posts in this thread, im sure that 3000+ winchester is better for OC:ing, atleast sounds so on many ppl. but, i wont wanna OC. atleast not yet. cuz then i need either a Prometeia mach2 or a VapoChill, or watercooling or a shiitload of big fans to keep it cool, the vapo or prom i cant afford atm, i dont like watercooling to much. and i my comp makes noise enough as it is 8)

so rather take the 3500+ then the 3000+

 

[Joor]

And to the OC posts in this thread, im sure that 3000+ winchester is better for OC:ing, atleast sounds so on many ppl. but, i wont wanna OC. atleast not yet. cuz then i need either a Prometeia mach2 or a VapoChill, or watercooling or a shiitload of big fans to keep it cool, the vapo or prom i cant afford atm, i dont like watercooling to much. and i my comp makes noise enough as it is 8)

so rather take the 3500+ then the 3000+

U can run 2700 mhz on Air tho. No problem

 

[Roteca]

U can run 2700 mhz on Air tho. No problem

at what full load temp and how many/loudy fans ? 8)
my comp has always sounded like a half nuclear powerplant.
and its quite annoying tbh...

 

[Vireb]

at what full load temp and how many/loudy fans ? 8)
my comp has always sounded like a half nuclear powerplant.
and its quite annoying tbh...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermalright_120.html
one of them (xp-120) + a slow 120mm fan = v vv cool + quiet(i use the little bro (xp90)one on a barten and 45c load 36 idle) as for case extractingfans depends on case i have 3 80mm fans 2 extracting at back of case 1 at front ssucking cool air in all linked to 3.5" drive controller so can turn them up and down as needed,

 

[Roteca]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermalright_120.html
one of them (xp-120) + a slow 120mm fan = v vv cool + quiet(i use the little bro (xp90)one on a barten and 45c load 36 idle) as for case extractingfans depends on case i have 3 80mm fans 2 extracting at back of case 1 at front ssucking cool air in all linked to 3.5" drive controller so can turn them up and down as needed,

yea was thinking of that heatsink, but, however it cant be mounted on MSI neo card, atleast what ppl say, and the manufacturer of the xp-120 aswell

atm i have a APLHA pal8045 (?) with a adapter 80>120 and a titan alu fan, pretty qiuet and cools do around 40-45 load. i would like the xp-120, cuz the bigger fan the lower speed ans noise from it in most cases...

 

[Joor]

Ye ThermalRight XP-90 or 120 and then get a fan under 25 db, its enough.
2 Papst 80mm fans(23db) to get some air in, and 1 or 2 in the back.
This should keep your OC'ed cpu under 50 degrees.

 

[Vireb]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Other_Coolers_18.html

akasa star ice is good cooler to , and reasonbly quite with self adjusting fan depending on probe temp. although it is DAMN huge