Alternetive Shade specs

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Aloca

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i now have
35(50)stealth
35(50(piercing
44(59)cs
35(50)envenom
27cd

normal spec is:
35(50)stealth
44(59)piercing
44(59)cs
35(50)envenom


i was thinking of one other maybe not tested spec:
29(44)stealth__can see you easier
50(65)piercing _but you do more dmg
44(59)cs______and higher dmg on PA
32(47)evenom_2nd best debuff
 
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Tyka

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try magols spec, now that we got him a skill respec stone he is going for something like this

45 cs 44 piercing 32 envenom and 34 stealth..

lifebane is crap, when you solo it will get resisted often and ppl with 50% resist in body is common, in groups 25 dmg / tick wont do much and it surely wont last more than 6 ticks, as rvr battles are over much faster. i think you get a str/con debuff at 47 envenom, wich is enough, and a disease/snare for the left hand.

mo.
 
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Aloca

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Cant see why i should go higher than 44 in cs other than little higher dmg cap.
rather go higher piercing for more dmg over all
 
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Tyka

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if you want more dmg over all why dont you just roll a hero or smth, a shades role is to do dmg FAST, not over half an hour.
 
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Aloca

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WELL dont you know anything? Dual weilders DO more dmg over all. BMs most then shades :D

oh and with 50piercing i will do more close to cap dmg on pa
pa spec only make higher pa cap but with low piercing you get dmg from 100-800dmg. oki with 44 it would prolly be 400-800
but with 50 maybe get 500-790
 
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Tyka

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well if you are determined how to spec, and i dont know anything, why post it on forums?
 
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Aloca

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Well i im not sertain BUT i want some views about my spec thoughts.
im greatfull for your thoughts but i want better reason why get it, and reasons why my thoughts isnt good.
 
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Arthwyr

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Don't know how much RvR you are planning on doing or what realm rank you are aiming for but a total of 44 stealth is low. Having played with minstrels and mercfiltrators who both didn't spec stealth too high I would say anything less then 46 total stealth makes you a risk to a stealth group as you will be quite easy (easier then the 44 would indicate) to spot.
 
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Tyka

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i just posted my thoughts, and you flame me, gg lol
 
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Aloca

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Yea know that :/
then i though i maybe have so good melee spec so it doesnt matter.
thinking of Xdi infil that had 50pierc 50dw and owned everyone in duels
 
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Aloca

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Tho i will ALWAYS be leader of stealther grps with that spec :)
 
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old.Cher

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tbh u won't outmelee someone who gets a p.a and cd off on u, and u should have had enough experiance of seeing low lvl stealthers to know how easy it is to get the jump on someone who has worse stealth.

thats of course unless u have avoid pain and viper up, in which case you'll win :clap:
 
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Aloca

Guest
Originally posted by old.Cher
tbh u won't outmelee someone who gets a p.a and cd off on u, and u should have had enough experiance of seeing low lvl stealthers to know how easy it is to get the jump on someone who has worse stealth.

thats of course unless u have avoid pain and viper up, in which case you'll win :clap:
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With SH you see peps as good at lvl 20 as in lvl 50 (i think)
 
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Noche

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U meant always be BAIT in a stealth grp :p

44 Stealth = be rdy to get PAed, period.

Envenom in balanced grp... well the most important one in that case is the enervating not LB, and crippling being second to the debuff.

Modificed pierce to 50 ALREADY gives 100-150% dmg variance, it depends on modified NOT base only, so saying 100-800 u were talking about 25 pierce spec modified (so can a rr4 would have 11 base pierce).

Wanna know why an infil does good with 50 thrust? Coz DRAGON FANG, and why do they do good with 50 DW? Coz DUALSHADOW (in case u don´t know it´s lvl 50 DW style front positional and above averange dmg, DF + dualshadow as a backup, wot Sst was doing all the time).

Wanna know why a NS will NOT do AS GOOD as an infil with 50 pierce? Coz it´s 3rd of a chain evade opening, abeit it might do good dmg (only heard from BMs or maybe keen heros), it´s HARD to pull off, no such huge stun as dragon fang puts it way below the scale of averange desiderable spec. Why a NS will not do AS GOOD as an infil with 50 CD (in case u were wondering), coz it´s too a 3rd of a chain SIDE positional, almost impossible to do in rvr since nobody who´s skilled enough will stay still when u r hitting him (casters will run and tanks will run through and /stick to their opponent so u´ll fail side chain anyway). And at top of that, those 2 styles doesn´t got a good % style growth rate.

Why SBs do good with high wpn spec? Simple, coz they spec high in LA too which is the line with the best style growth rate in game (before the 1.62 patch which will com at mid-June or later anyway), and they almost exclusivly use LA styles (critblades do good coz they r buffed and have a 2h wpn which seems to enhance dmg but it´s only 110%). Just as an example, DF got 144% or 150% dmg growth rate (can´t find the page with the correct %, would luv some help to find it), so let´s say a zerker got 200 BASE dmg, he´ll do 200 x 2.5 = 500 dmg with that style. Only hib style which can barely matches that is the VW´s style line LAST style Conflageration which´s 4th in an evade chain impossible to do normally in rvr.

Sorry for this long post, IMO a NS with 50 pierce really won´t do as good as the 44 x 2 35 x 2 and 5 CD (more CD if u autotrain) coz he will sacrifice way too much for only minor advantages. Wot I need to choose is 39 wpn or 44 wpn though... hard to decide coz higher wpnskill is much needed.
 
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envenom

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Well i know at rr7 you can do this spec

50 pierce+17
45 cs+17
32 stealth+17
30 envenom+17


thats my spec atm but weapon axe obviously but really there isnt a great spec out for you atm rr5 just do the normal spec as u suggested and 35 pierce id get that up to 45 base asap kinda gimped if u ask me.

and the normal spec is a great spec actually nothing wrong with it
 
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Noche

Guest
Originally posted by Aloca
With SH you see peps as good at lvl 20 as in lvl 50 (i think)
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U don´t see camo-ed archers, u don´t see ASSASINS, which´s the most important role of a shade in grp beside killing casters/healers (tbh a pair of hib caster debuff + spec dd does that job much easier and faster) IMO

And after 1.62 it´ll got nerfed, almost render it useless vs archers though they improve detect hidden afaik (might be wrong on this).
Anyway it´s an overpowered RA nonetheless, I have it and love it, specially vs mincers :p

As a side note: no matter how uber an assasin is, a buffed, well equipped NS, having AP rdy and jumping on the opponent with PA will KILL him matterless. Those who claims being good with melee and low stealth (assasins ofc) have NO AP and haven´t got THAT great dmg enhance due to their specs to offset a full PA chain´s dmg (which´s PA + CD + SS + 2 more styles and the possibilities of putting 3 or 4 poisons on them while stunned).
 
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Aloca

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Ops i ment Detect hidden.
Works fine for me, did work fine spoting lvl50s at lvl20 also
 
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Noche

Guest
Try it at other hand, call a lvl 20 NS stealth, and then tell me from HOW FAR u can see em :)
 
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Aloca

Guest
Could try it out :) from how far range they can see me.
i know from how far a assasin will spot me with 44stealth :) enough
 
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Aloca

Guest
Originally posted by envenom
Well i know at rr7 you can do this spec

50 pierce+17
45 cs+17
32 stealth+17
30 envenom+17


thats my spec atm but weapon axe obviously but really there isnt a great spec out for you atm rr5 just do the normal spec as u suggested and 35 pierce id get that up to 45 base asap kinda gimped if u ask me.

and the normal spec is a great spec actually nothing wrong with it
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WHY 45cs? or 45pierc? styles is at 44 for both

Then ofc i dont want 35pierc that is my spec and soon OLD spec i hope.
just thinking of what to respec to.
 
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katt!

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Originally posted by Tyka
try magols spec, now that we got him a skill respec stone he is going for something like this

45 cs 44 piercing 32 envenom and 34 stealth..

lifebane is crap, when you solo it will get resisted often and ppl with 50% resist in body is common, in groups 25 dmg / tick wont do much and it surely wont last more than 6 ticks, as rvr battles are over much faster. i think you get a str/con debuff at 47 envenom, wich is enough, and a disease/snare for the left hand.

mo.
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you will get more dps out of higher poison than higher weapon.
 
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froler-mid

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Most NS pump too much pts in CS imo.

get 34CS for CD. with rr5+ that is a 720-ish PA cap(i guess).

My rr6 NS template:

34stealth
34env
34CS
44pierce
30CD


autotrain too get more pts in CD.

as for lifebane and NS. i say lifebane is great for NS's. as they crit on dot's, debuffs, procs...(nerf) etc.
 
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froler-mid

Guest
Originally posted by Aloca

i was thinking of one other maybe not tested spec:
29(44)stealth__can see you easier
50(65)piercing _but you do more dmg
44(59)cs______and higher dmg on PA
32(47)evenom_2nd best debuff
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44stealth. is CRAP. i PA 49stealth sb's pretty easy.


50 pierce....yea, for the weaponskill then, but NS dont really have the spec pts for it :D , go 44pierce.

44CS, hamstring -> leaper is enuff, the 3rd of that chain(44cs one) is very wierd dmg. go 34 CS for CD. enuff.
 
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envenom

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ive got 45 cs basicly just for that little extra damage i might go

50 axe
50 cs
32 stealth
19 envenom


i would really spec atleast 50 peirce as you can tell the difference in damage if you spec any less.
 
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