'Alliance funds' do i smell corruption?

[sakkarias]

Ok i bet we all heard of the famous alliance funds, but i would really like some light shed as on how it is managed, and by who.

I've been on countless pve raids over the last months and on almost every single one leftovers etc are sold and cash supposedly donated to alliance funds. While i am all for this it would be nice if we all could get some innsight in to who gets the cash, how they are managed etc.

From the raids i've attended the last 3-4 months there should atleast be 2-300p donated to alliance funds, and i have missed more than i have attended And we have maybe at absolute max 1 RR attempt on us per month.

I am sure i am not the only one interested in shedding some light on where this cash goes? And what about when the AB alliance broke up last month, they must also have had well over 100p in funds, did they transfer them over to another 'alliance fund'?

And is it given to a single person for 'safekeeping', or are they deposited into alliance leaders guild?

Anyways all in all the 'alliance funds' should be extremely rich if all the ppl saying they will donate this and that to alliance every raid, and if not the raid leaders are just saying so and actually keeping it themselves.

Please can't the guys involved shed some light on this, i am sure many of us wants to know

 

[Danamyr]

Nice post.

I have wondered about this in the game generally. I suppose as with anything else, the temptation is always there.

I guess you just have to hope that the fund holders are decent and moral people.

It would be a good idea though if the fund holders were to post a financial break down of the Alliance funds on the forums.

For example, we recieved X amount from hunts, and spent X amount on materials, leaving a balance of X.

This will still not prevent people mismanaging the fund. If they want to be dishonest, there's little anyone can do until their culpability is proven.

The replies should be interesting I think

 

[Urme the Legend]

I'm not directly involved in the alliance fund. But I know that Jedhawk and Thorarin was responsible for it along time ago. I still think Thorarin is, and jedhawk is having a little break from Daoc atm but he didn't have any cash left from Alliance fund anyway.

And Bazza got some cash for it aswell, he have a wood alt at mjollnir that is filled with iron/heartwood so he can repair doors fast if needed. And I know several other people that got alts that is filled with wood at either Mjollnir or Grallarhorn.

And I don't know what alliance you are in.. is it LFOM or WR alliance? Because I don't know anyone from WR that hold alliance cash except that Bazza got 2.1p which he is using to fill up his alt with wood.

And I know TDD (The Dark Disciples) got atleast 2-3 wood alts at mjollnir/grallar too. So they get their share of the cash.

But I don't have any numbers how much each one of them got that belongs to the alliance fund, but I think you might have misscalculated the 200-300p.

Hope this give some light over the alliance funds.

 

[sakkarias]

Well i am in WR alliance, but very interested in the others too

Well so what you are saying is that lfom alliance has maybe 10p all together? In that case i fear the raid leaders keep most themselves from the last dr raid alone there was like 10p raised for 'alliance funds' and there are always several plat from each and every tg, dr raid. Over some months this will quite easily amass to 2-300p so unless you alliance funds are richer than you say, the raid leaders must be filthy rich

 

[Urme the Legend]

Don't know where you got the 10p from.. as I said I have no clue how much it is. Except that Bazza who is in WR alliance got 2.1p from some dude.

But I I'm pretty sure there isn't 200-300p though.

Maybe some raid leaders you are talking about should step forward.. if you mention some names you are thinking about. Then they can give information who they have been giving money to.

 

[raithian]

i have 4p from my last dr i have asked ladonna 3 times who holds wr as funds no reply .
i belive there is also 2 sets of drops from 2 dr somewhere with 8 stone that was supose to be actioned at woodstock but it never took place

funds from 1 other dr i ran was used to upgrade all 4 relic doors to lvl 10 and was used to upgrade retaken keeps untilll thay was claimed .
also 6p was owed to members of nazgul who paoid out of there own pockets.
also as urm has said i also have 1 char at relic with 8000 heart wood on it and another 8000 in vault half paid for from my own pocked half as funds from ab alliance
but i allways keep 2p for emergency upgrades to doors

 

[kiranian-]

As it stands i have been given no money for any funds in the alliance.

Mrheals did say to me that he had 1 stone left over from the DR and that he was going to give me a % of that towards the Funds.

As for rauthian trying to get hold of me to give me 4P he might have well tried but as he is on my ignore list then i am sure i wont be getting that money soon unless he comes up to me and gives it to me.

As soon as i can find someone in the WR alliance to do big events for the guilds then we will be able to raise money that way for the funds but as no one is intrested in the job then it might take a while.


Regards Ladonna

 

[sakkarias]

Hmm so WR has gotten nothing, and LFOM has a few plat... interesting

 

[living]

if u wanna see those 'left overs' im sure u will find em under trading

i often hear about respec stones going to alliance.. those are 4-5p each..

 

[kra]

Mrheals did say to me that he had 1 stone left over from the DR and that he was going to give me a % of that towards the Funds.

50-34=1? i think i missed something :<

 

[zmurf]

after every raid ruathian made he has made those 'goes to alliance fun' can anyone stand up and say they actually got money from him ? wouldn't suprice me the least if he never gave any money to anyone ...

 

[Tasans]

What happened to thg anyway?

 

[Archeon]

I still have roughly 20plat from various TG raids, DF hunts, etc. Couldn't get a straight awnser out of anyone as to whom to give it too so its still 'in holding' really. Actually i lie, i think i used 500-odd gold to buy wood to repair a keep door. So its more like 19.5plat not <shrug> Sorry.

 

[Thelion]

So there is no Alliance Funds Keeper either in LFOM or WR alliance?

 

[raithian]

since mids have got the str relics i have used funds both my own and alliance to upgrade relic doors also those fund have been used to repair and upgrade keeps for those guilds that dont have ppl online at 4 am to do so.
it cost just over 3.5p per door to fully repair and if you recal albs did an rr where by all 4 doors where smashed 2 days after i upgraded them all i spent just over 10p that day reapiring and upgrading yet again to lvl 10
and only from 3 of my dr have i ever said ok alliance ets drops as all stones allways goto groups.
first dr raidsed just over 5p (no wepons droped)
secound dr raised over 18p (2 wepons droped)
third dr raids 4p that is on my alt for who ever wants it for there alliance i have msg opmed even informed other wr officers i have it thay dont seam interested so i will hand it to maeven when i see him at this fridays dr.
also like others who had funds i have a char at relic with a total of 16,000 heart wood .
a totale of 27p raised from 3 dr 5 was given to aba alliance 18 was used to reapair and upgrade relic doors 2 times in 4 days and 4p reamins to goto fom alliance.
do the maths every time albs rr to repair and upgrade each door takes about 4p
thats 4 times 4 = 16p
normaly if no one on with cash donations taken but then doors only reapired till closed then the funds are used tto fully reapir just because you dont see them being done do you think thay reapoir them selfs over night
meny times i seen myself or bazza or urme sat there reapiring long after evryone els gone to odins.

also every time a mid keep is relcaimed a few of us upgrade the doors lvl 6 asap untill a guild and even when a guild has claimed it.

those that need to no , no exactly where the fund go those that dont need to no whine there is a small few who spend there time repairing keeps that been attack where do you think that gold comes from.
A little goes here a little goes there even wr keep was repaired from allaicne funds and gog can vouch for that same for ce bc defiance all had keeps that was reapired using as funds at 4 in the morning as thay had no one on at the time.
in future if a keep is attack regardless if i have as funds or not i will leave the doors open for any realm to walk in and claim with out resistance as it seams tis the only way to keep ppl happy

 

[Whisperess]

If you have the time, but no cash.

Get ~ 570,000 rowan wood for ~ 214g

lvl 1 - lvl 10 fully repaired door.

Would take quite a few runs though.

 

[Thelion]

Yea people are just so lazy nowadays *grinz*

 

[Blazor Meneth]

Originally posted by Tasans
What happened to thg anyway?

Vacation.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Whisperess
If you have the time, but no cash.

Get ~ 570,000 rowan wood for ~ 214g

lvl 1 - lvl 10 fully repaired door.

Would take quite a few runs though.

nah, me so strong

 

[raithian]

i dont think the poor git reapiring have the room for all that

 

[Whisperess]

You won't need to have it all in inventory at once though

 

[phule_gubben]

Originally posted by Urme the Legend
Don't know where you got the 10p from.. as I said I have no clue how much it is. Except that Bazza who is in WR alliance got 2.1p from some dude.

But I I'm pretty sure there isn't 200-300p though.

Maybe some raid leaders you are talking about should step forward.. if you mention some names you are thinking about. Then they can give information who they have been giving money to.

I gave Bazza the money and FYI Bazza is in LFoM alliance atm.

:great:

 

[etcetra]

Originally posted by raithian
third dr raids 4p that is on my alt for who ever wants it for there alliance i have msg opmed even informed other wr officers i have it thay dont seam interested so i will hand it to maeven when i see him at this fridays dr.

We just dont want anything to do with you, thats it

 

[Haldar]

rowan wood wont help.

at high level of door u will need more wood for 1 5% repair than u can put in the inventory (200*40 = 8000)

 

[Vell]

And the conclusion of this thread is: No one really has a clue


Could those responsible for holding alliance funds post, either here or on your respective alliance forums, exactly how much you hold at the moment?

Then at least we will have some idea And can see if we need to do some more DF raids.

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

I was for a spell the cash holder for the last Midstock I ran (Dec 2002), which we raised 28P for, this cash was divided between me (8P - 4 of which I gave to Poon for repairs to Grallahorn, 4P i spent myself on Gralla to Bazza for repairs), 8P which Vrek spent also on Gralla, 4P went on Mjolliner in the event we got those relics back, and the remaining sum (8P from memory) was with Ruath at that time.

All the money from that event was accounted for over a period of 2 months.

I did offer to host another Midstock in te Ab alliance forums, but due to a lack of respsonse when I asked for help, I gave up. I am willing to organise another one soon should enough ppl be willing to take part and help.

As fo being a treasurer, I feel my lack of in game activity lately (new lady in my life etc etc) deems me not suitable for the posistion, but Im sure I can find ppl who are trustworthy of the task.

 

[kathal_tdd]

I can tell where the plats are and how much it is.
A LOT of alliance leaders have the plats and in total they have a lot of plats.
I have about 3-4 plats(in seals) myself + 2 wood chars.
Remember that some of the alliance leaders put a LOT of work into keeping our frontier upgraded. There are donated a lot of seals/gold/time from the ppl in at least LFoM.
I understand you wanna know where the plats go and I can assure you that they are used in our frontier.

PS. If those responsible for the alliance fund + those repairing doors got paid for their effort they would be VERRY rich.

 

[ardamels]

There are huge funds in the alliance fund, splitted over several chars. I have a few P on Maeven (around 5P) which I distribute for door repairs, FoM also has huge guild funds. All in all FoM has over 100P, of which 83P is on Idubeth (my SM) and Obbla has around 5.5P. Now these funds are for the guildhouse but we also use them for door repairs aswell (Hlidskialf has lvl 9 doors). Should the need arise, i.e. chosing between repairing doors or losing relics, then we WILL use these funds for it. I don't keep track of how much the designated relic door crew have, but I DO know that they have been repairing alot and that Jedhawk and Thorarin can't have much left of that money. In the case that Jedhawk and Thorarin are not around, I have money for door repairs on Maeven.

This is the totals on my chars right now:

ALL money on Maeven belong to the alliance and I don't use it for anything else than rams, door repairs and the occansional horse ride. If we do any raids that gives money then I hold the money on this char till I can give it to any of our door repairers. I will aim to build up a bigger fund for this purpose only. Status right now: 5.1P

ALL money on Ardmeth (my troll thane) belong to the alliance. He is currently skilling up and lvling up but I'll have best thane str buff, aug str 3 on him and lifter 5. This char will be to carry rams and wood and in the end I aim to hold ALL alliance funds I collect on this char. He will be a total gimp but he'll be able to carry more wood or siege equipment then anyone else, he already has maxed siegecrafting Status right now: 500G

ALL money on Idubeth belong to FoM and will be used to the guildhouse and if the need arise door repairs. Status right now: 83.5P

DO NOT give any money to Ardamel, I just craft it up

What I'm trying to say here is that there is alot of funds around, it's just that albs and hibs haven't been raiding Mjollner much lately so we haven't had the need for them. There ARE there though

 

[Rhuric]

I just wanted to say those posting after Rauthan about where the funds went, 16000 wood cost alot, and there is wood for relic repairs stationed there, so it should be safe with wood to repair doors at Mjollnir at the moment atleast =) Keep up the good work door men(women) =)

 

[kathal_tdd]

Originally posted by Whoodoo_RD
I was for a spell the cash holder for the last Midstock I ran (Dec 2002), which we raised 28P for, this cash was divided between me (8P - 4 of which I gave to Poon for repairs to Grallahorn, 4P i spent myself on Gralla to Bazza for repairs), 8P which Vrek spent also on Gralla, 4P went on Mjolliner in the event we got those relics back, and the remaining sum (8P from memory) was with Ruath at that time.

All the money from that event was accounted for over a period of 2 months.

I did offer to host another Midstock in te Ab alliance forums, but due to a lack of respsonse when I asked for help, I gave up. I am willing to organise another one soon should enough ppl be willing to take part and help.

As fo being a treasurer, I feel my lack of in game activity lately (new lady in my life etc etc) deems me not suitable for the posistion, but Im sure I can find ppl who are trustworthy of the task.

That would be gr8 Whoodoo.
With all the DRs, TG raids there should be a lot of items/stones for that(not 100% into what Midstock includes).
Also posted here: DR thread