Albs Your Going To Pay For Our Relics!

[old.Woodmansee]

Im not going to moan about the time, but I will tell you this, day or night, 24/7 you better be ready to defend, we WILL TAKE BACK WHATS OURS!

ITs a dark day in Midgard but the sun WILL Shine on us again very soon!

YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS!!!

 

[old.Winter]

/Start appaling Singing

Come and 'ave a go if you think your 'ard enuff

/End appaling singing

 

[Herbal Remedy]

/starts laughing
mmmmmmmm
/justkeeps on laughing

 

[c0ngo]

Well it would be a bit stupid to moan about the time cause you were on taking out people at the back of the army like tilde, raistlin and the taking of the 1st relic wasn't really very late and the 2nd one was as quick as we could get back to the keep.

At least you post shows there's some fight in Woody, shame the rest of your realm don't seem to have to much in them although some of you did try to make a go of it and keep the relic, might have had a chance if you'd got a door up in time .

 

[Khalen]

Come get some Now it is our time to defend a relic keep

 

[old.Kennsai]

i can see another prydwen messed up server here

albion has far to many people compared to hib and mid if only mythic had put restrictions on the number but oh well

 

[Gordonax]

Kennsai, while I agree with you that it would be better if there was a player per realm limit, it's not numbers that count - it's organisation. If Alb puts out 250 level 40+ players who run around like a bunch of idiots, they won't win anything (and Midgard's hunters will get a lot of cheap realm points )

 

[Zill]

I did a /who all at 2 am last night and there were 213 middies on. The only reason the Albs were so successful was due to a serious lack of communication and organisation, nothing else. This will shortly change due to a new Realm Alliance that will have the enthusiasm, organisation and structure to help defend and assist the Realm.

 

[old.Stix]

No, Gordonax, it's numbers.

To illustrate my point, you are able to raid keeps at 3am simply because you have enough people online even at that hour. Midgard couldn't dream of doing this.

Will you be able to stage a 4am relic raid in the future? You can already take keeps at early hours, and keeps will become extremely important in the next patch (Darkness Falls). Can either realm defend against this? [N.B. I'm not having a go at your attack times; I'm just illustrating what you can do and what we can't simply in terms of numbers.]

Furthermore, IMO Albs are still pretty awful in terms of organisation and large party warfare. Emain is a perfect example of this - you are routinely pushed back by Hibs or Mids even when you have superior (though not overwhelming) numbers, let alone equally-matched forces.

 

[tilde]

blablablablabla.... give it up u poor looser

 

[old.Woodmansee]

poor loser who?

 

[old.Rolando]

One of the reasons why albion is up 25/7 may be that members of it are from many differant timezones... Ever thought about that? No dont think so. There can be no "unofficial attacking time" that some speak about since it will not suit all players.

If you want your relic back, just... well just dont sit there! Do something! Like... :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

 

[Gordonax]

Rolando, I take your point about the fact that, because there are overall move players in Alb, Alb's attacks can be spread out more. But the difference in time zones isn't that great - realisitically, a maximum of four or five hours, which is hardly enough to keep attacks coming 24/7.

Stix, I've been on keep raids that have had the numbers, but that have failed because the organisation's been woeful! Relic keep raids are even harder, and DEMAND discipline.

And you yourself point out that, when Albs aren't organised - as in the regular fighting in Emain - the numbers don't help us. On keep raids, we're well organised, but in Emain we're not - and *that's* what makes the difference.

[EDIT - got the wrong poster's name in there - sorry!]

 

[old.Verata]

Why is everyone making an issue of Albs doing raids at 2 or 3am? When I logged on last night at around 10pm GMT, they'd already taken both Mid relics.

Well done to them.

 

[old.Paranoid]

The thing I dont understand is...

We are at war.. right?... right...
Say if i was going to attack a military base... i wouldnt do it during the day... you do it at night...

So why do you moan so much when we use tactics... part of war is to catch your enemie of guard.. when a lot of them are sleeping... :sleeping: if you dont like it... im sure ur local shop will sell tablets to keep ya awake some how

If you want to attack us albs and get ya relics back you better do it during the day.. cos thats when we aint on

 

[old.Finster]

no, i can t organiza a 4am raid.

1st because i m not online.

2nd because yes: we can organize a midnight raid and ppl stay on as long as we re winning. get your realmmates to relic and trash us at 1 or 2am and we ll go home and log. it s resistance that stops us.

 

[old.Stix]

lol once again most people get the wrong end of the stick.

Here's an example:

IF we took 1 relic back on Saturday, 9pm, what would be facing in terms of an alb counterattack?

Sure, we can defend as long as we have people, but the point is that you WOULD BE ABLE to do an NPC raid (which hardly requires much organisation) when almost all mids are asleep.

Let me stress: I am not flaming this possible strategy, or your attack times.... I am only pointing out what you can do and what we cannot simply because you have way more numbers.

 

[Gordonax]

Stix, you're completely wrong that an NPC-only relic raid takes no organisation. If you think it takes no organisation, please feel free to try.

 

[old.Stix]

Hmm let's see.

/yell STOP STOP

/yell [insert speed class here] PULLS GUARDS, EVERYONE WAIT

/yell CHARGE

/yell AS MANY 30+ TANKS ON DOOR AS POSSIBLE, USE STYLES, OTHERS WATCH FOR GUARD POP/ENEMIES

/yell TAKE BOWMEN

etc. etc.

Win?

I didn't say it took no organisation, but it doesn't take much if it's an NPC raid. Weren't some albs saying that they arranged the relic raid in 30 mins?

 

[Gordonax]

Stix, have you ever actually tried to get 30+ people to do what you're telling them via /yell's? Without having planned it out with all of them beforehand?

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by Stix

I didn't say it took no organisation, but it doesn't take much if it's an NPC raid. Weren't some albs saying that they arranged the relic raid in 30 mins?

Yes it was arranged in 30 mins but isn't quite as simple as you make out.

There were 3 full rams + spares (in case of ld's) being carried by the army.

Guard pulls are as you said.

No one hit the doors until the rams were made and hitting them though.

There were organised inf groups with BT + healers taking the keep archers out.

There was someone responsible for calling tanks from the doors to help with guard pops if needed.

Scouts were at the gates and a distance from the keeps checking for Middies and checking that the route home was safe.

So the fact that there the raid was started at short notice doesn't mean that there wasn't much organisation.

 

[old.Woodmansee]

Well done Albion, your a smart, strong force!

 

[old.Stix]

Gordonax have you ever been on a raid? lol

Congo, your description of the raid is pretty nice. The one point that actually stands out though and shows that this raid might have had a bit more than the standard NPC keep-raid routine is the infiltrator/BT/healer arrangement.

Have mids ever used this? Do we even have enough willing/high-level sbs? lol

 

[razorboy]

we took the relic, to the albion army!
if you want it back, go crawling to snowdonia and get it back, you've done it before ...

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Stix
Gordonax have you ever been on a raid? lol

Yep. I speak from the experience of watching a couple of them get messed up! I haven't tagged along on a raid in a while, but I did earlier - when Alb was completely disorganised.

But you should pay attention to what c0ngo's saying about the organisation. If Midgard did the same...

 

[old.chipper]

they cant take the relic back the doors are at full strength lol

plus u go onabout defending hhahaa u got nothing to defend


(this post is designed to piss u middies off and get your asses back off those alts and organised into a fighting force i dont bother goin rvr much these days cos i never seen middies who frankly are a better fight)

alas about our organization in emain. yes it is sucky but i do take u back to beta when albion regularly owned the hib wall with mids and hibs attackin we did it before we'll do it again we just want the hibbies relics before we trounce you all mwuaahahha

hooray for albion

 

[old.Kenshee Himura]

It's not numbers but organisation, can't do anything with 500 lvl 20 players.
We just get better and better each time we fight and lead is getting better too (Go Finster )
Mid is going down