Brokenblade
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omg many alb stealthers out today here in thid ^^
Albs and the shadowzerk
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Hehe was thinking the same thing. I logged bd at about mid day, a lot of casters/clerics/tanks out, got chained a couple of times, then managed to get hold of some buffs and take some out.
They die once and look what happens, almost every single alb brings out his stealther, I think there was a group of five roaming around at one point. Alas, my and Aleven roamed until they had all logged, despite all the /rofls and their attempt to zerg us with two mins and god knows how many infils
They die once and look what happens, almost every single alb brings out his stealther, I think there was a group of five roaming around at one point. Alas, my and Aleven roamed until they had all logged, despite all the /rofls and their attempt to zerg us with two mins and god knows how many infils
Do you honestly think I care? Lol, its funny how my fanbois keep following me around like this, all mouth and no action. How about we settle this on the battlefield? I thought not. Because on my Cabalist, Bonedancer or Enchanter, I will always come out on top, so I suggest give it up.
For now, you can just stick to your insults I guess because you can't get to me any other way xD
For now, you can just stick to your insults I guess because you can't get to me any other way xD
Dorimor1 said:
Aimed at me?
Take a look at my FAO:Horner thread which got locked unfortunately. Not only did you try to be funny but you also pwned yourself. So i thought i'd come and be a bitch on one of your threads too.
Btw, I could drop your chanter with my cabalist easily just down to game spells. Tri-spec cabalist played well in thid > everything.
Bugz said:
My enchanter is 50.
Log on thid this evening, what is your Cabas name? Look out for Pwnguinbd. And it wasn't specifically aimed at you. Pwned myself? Lol, you made an attention seeking thread, which most people thought was stupid and I was just pointing out that things happen ingame and you shouldn't cry about it. I don't know why you have some sort of vendetta against me, probably when half of Alb were flaming you in that thread and I made a true remark that a lot of people agreed with (I think I got one bubble on my rep bar for that post).
And lmao, tri-spec (if you mean tri-spec, as in all three lines) caba in thid, done that. Firstly, Spirit is next to useless in thid apart from the debuffs, so unless you are a Spirit Caba, not a tri-spec caba, you could do ok. Anything below 22 Spirit is crap. Secondly, if you were to go 22 Spirit, the most balanced spec of the last two lines is 7 in one and 6 in the other.
Say you put 7 in body and 6 in Matter, you would get a level 5 DoT and a level 6 pet focus (WOW) and no it doesn't stop there, you get a level 2 combat speed debuff, level 7 lifetap (with a delve of 30)! and some other crap sub level 10 abilities.
The only viable specs for a cabalist in thid would probably be bi-specs because at this point you don't get as good abilites and you don't get extra spec points from level 40+. You could go 24 body (gimp, no skill spec). 19 Matter, 14 body (best all round spec, ae dot, nearsight, and good lifetaps). Or 22 Spirit and 9 Body (for spirit debuff, using baseline nukes). A tri-spec caba is impossible to work in thid.
Dorimors Conclusion - someone doesn't know anything about Cabalists (and is bullshitting in a desperate attempt to get back at me). Tri-spec would not work because the Spirit lines gives nothing but crap pet buffs, unless you wanna take out your enemies with your pet (lol, been there, done that, got Bane of Mid, it won't work mate).
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Not unbeatable tho
Dorimor1 said:
haha you come here telling how good you are and that noone can beat you - and when you get challenged you log a BD - thats just about as skill-less one can be ;> Come back with aug healer and solo something - then we can discuss skills.
living said:
Mate, I didn't say that I was amazing in this thread, please pinpoint where I said that. I was merely saying that so many people on this forum are all mouth and do jack shit. What have I seen you do? And yet you come here and talk shit. Just because I play a bd doesn't mean I am skillless, though your average person won't understand that (yourself included). If you have a mid or hib alt then fine I can log my caba, but until then please go home.
And tbh I remeber grouping with your thane (Bettez) in Thid while he was level 26, and you're the exact opposite of 'skill' as you like to portray yourself.
Dorimor1 said:
Let's work this out for you Dori ok...
Level 24 Cabalist:
11 Matter - Nearsight = Insta win vs. any caster if your not clueless.
9 Body - I choose it just for less variance when nuking. Disease at 3 is pretty much insta-win vs. melee classes.
19 Spirit - Pet buffs allow you to kite well with disease and to take on grps of 2/3.
With this spec I've killed bard/caster duos and bard/tank duos. I could probably do trios should I get lucky and see them on impact etc.
Now, your bane of midgard means fuck all mate. I could come on, pwn 5 enemies a day and die to 5. It doesn't minus death rates so anyone ANYONE can get bane of midgard with enough time.
6 in Matter? You go for nearsight because it's the only thing the line can offer that will do well.
7 in body? Wow, you have the right idea. Probs could do 9 though for a little less variance.
Spirit overrated? Defiantly not. Pet hitting for 50+ damage constantly is a very nice thing when you mix it with pet heal (which is made better by high spirit) and the ability to kite.
As for your ego. Try to deflate that head of yours - it's getting rather big
Bdrly.
edit - my caba is on glastonbury - unbuffed constantly too ^^
Bugz said:Let's work this out for you Dori ok...
Level 24 Cabalist:
11 Matter - Nearsight = Insta win vs. any caster if your not clueless.
9 Body - I choose it just for less variance when nuking. Disease at 3 is pretty much insta-win vs. melee classes.
19 Spirit - Pet buffs allow you to kite well with disease and to take on grps of 2/3.
With this spec I've killed bard/caster duos and bard/tank duos. I could probably do trios should I get lucky and see them on impact etc.
Now, your bane of midgard means fuck all mate. I could come on, pwn 5 enemies a day and die to 5. It doesn't minus death rates so anyone ANYONE can get bane of midgard with enough time.
6 in Matter? You go for nearsight because it's the only thing the line can offer that will do well.
7 in body? Wow, you have the right idea. Probs could do 9 though for a little less variance.
Spirit overrated? Defiantly not. Pet hitting for 50+ damage constantly is a very nice thing when you mix it with pet heal (which is made better by high spirit) and the ability to kite.
As for your ego. Try to deflate that head of yours - it's getting rather big
Bdrly.
edit - my caba is on glastonbury - unbuffed constantly too ^^
Tbh, my bd pet hits for 100 buffed (I'll post a screenie if you don't believe me after I go in thid later on today) so you don't need pet buffs aslong as you have a buffbot. Pets are used as more of an interupt tool really, relying your pet to kill someone is farfetched, most of the time I use it to interupt or catch stealthers.
With a decent template and buffs I hit for 90-150 with lifetap at 14+5 body. At 9+5 body god knows how great your varience will be. Yes you have level 11 nearsight which is good but thats probably the only decent tool you'll have, with mediocre lifetaps and huge variance.
Bane of Mid shows I have experience in the BGs, I was averaging 100 kills a day on Cabalist and 150-200 on Bonedancer, killing 5 and dying to 5 would take waaaay too long.
On the spirit buffs, lets see what you get with 19 matter.
+36Str/Con
+37Dex/Qui
Compare this to bb buffs with buff bonus (15%)
~40Str/Con
~41Dex/Qui
This basically leaves no reason to spec spirit unless you go for the debuff, this changes are minor but every point counts. You mention disease, well this isn't available in the Spirit line, unless you count the pets, which every cabalist is available to (Pets are baseline, you don't spec for them). Every single cabalist should be able to spec 3 body for disease so thats no big deal.
Tbh I like having constructive conversations, shame teenagers can't restrain themselves from putting in an insult every 2 words
Following on from this, if you wish to PvE your enemies as your spec suggests (Spirit line without speccing for debuff?!) then I'd go matter, as the focus shield is probably better, sending your pet down on 5 hibs and letting them die is teh <3
Either spec Spirit for the debuffs or for the pet recycle.
Either spec Spirit for the debuffs or for the pet recycle.
Bugz said:
Depends really. You're on Glastonbury fighting unbuffed people, while I am on Prydwen/Excal fighting buffed people. You are right I may hit harder with buffs but don't forget people will have more hits. You may not hit as hard but people have less hits, so its hard to tell
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Anyone else think people take thid to seriously? ._.
Reposted, because my orginal maths sucked, I hope nobody read that post and I didn't make any silly mistakes in this one .
. No variance on lifedrain, areadisease and first nearsight. Areadot is next to worthless if you run solo/small groups.
24/23 body would be the next best spec. If you run with another cabalist you won't need another nearsighter, so no reason to spec matter. (23 body if you want to be able to reclaim your pet)
22 spirit is a worthless spec. You'll need more than 4 cabalists to outdamage 4 cabalists without debuff. This means that you'll have to nuke said target more than 4*5 = 20 times. Usually you'll need less than 20 nukes though, meaning that you're better of without the debuff.
Here's the maths:
.20 Body, 11 matter is obviously the superior specDorimor1 said:
. No variance on lifedrain, areadisease and first nearsight. Areadot is next to worthless if you run solo/small groups.24/23 body would be the next best spec. If you run with another cabalist you won't need another nearsighter, so no reason to spec matter. (23 body if you want to be able to reclaim your pet)
22 spirit is a worthless spec. You'll need more than 4 cabalists to outdamage 4 cabalists without debuff. This means that you'll have to nuke said target more than 4*5 = 20 times. Usually you'll need less than 20 nukes though, meaning that you're better of without the debuff.
Here's the maths:
22 spirit leaves 14 effective body. Your damage will be between 104 and 125 percent of the delve, 114.5 on average*. The debuff debuffs for 9% and lasts 8 seconds, leaving time for 4 nukes before you have to 're-apply'**. 19+ body will make sure you have no variance on your lifedrain, so it'll be alwyas 125 percent of the delve.
With debuff: (114.5*1.09)*4 + [(125*1.09)*4+125]*(x-1)
Damage from spirit caby in 4 nukes + damage from (x-1) 19 body cabies in 5 nukes, of which 4 are on a debuffed target
Without debuff: 125*5*x
Damage of x 19 body cabies
-> 625*x = 499+670*(x-1)
-> 625*x = 670*x-171
-> 171 = (670-625)*x
-> 171 = 45*x
-> 171/45 = x
-> 3.8 = x
* Formula for variance (If I remember correctly): 0.75+0.5*(spec/skill level+1)
** Effective spell speeds have been calculated with the DD dmg calculator from daoc.nisrv.com, assuming a saracen cabalist with 15 dex at creation and 4% castspeed.
With debuff: (114.5*1.09)*4 + [(125*1.09)*4+125]*(x-1)
Damage from spirit caby in 4 nukes + damage from (x-1) 19 body cabies in 5 nukes, of which 4 are on a debuffed target
Without debuff: 125*5*x
Damage of x 19 body cabies
-> 625*x = 499+670*(x-1)
-> 625*x = 670*x-171
-> 171 = (670-625)*x
-> 171 = 45*x
-> 171/45 = x
-> 3.8 = x
* Formula for variance (If I remember correctly): 0.75+0.5*(spec/skill level+1)
** Effective spell speeds have been calculated with the DD dmg calculator from daoc.nisrv.com, assuming a saracen cabalist with 15 dex at creation and 4% castspeed.
Blackjack
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On the whole BD discussion. I have tried BD in BG and i have a 50 BD.
And to tell it like it is... i have 0, absolutely fucking 0 respect for BD's in BG. i know how little skill it takes in BG even to kill 4 people at the time. People who kit out, SC and buff their BD to stay in BG for longer periods of time should have it deleted.
You can 300.000 kills for all i care. They have been aquired with a class that is so ridiculous in Thid, that to me... they don't count at all.
i can live with people taking their BD to thid to get MCL or whatever.
And they are usually killable even though most of them run-through or strafe to make it very hard for anyone to get styles off.
But a fully kited out BD... please people, no matter how hard to try to argue that it actually takes a minimum of skill... i know, /face, strafe /lifetap /lifetap /lifetap. is not hard. The stuns in thid are simply not long enough to make the difference.
I'm not saying that everyone who plays a BD in thid is skillless.
But they sure as hell aren't proving anything on their bonedancers.
And to tell it like it is... i have 0, absolutely fucking 0 respect for BD's in BG. i know how little skill it takes in BG even to kill 4 people at the time. People who kit out, SC and buff their BD to stay in BG for longer periods of time should have it deleted.
You can 300.000 kills for all i care. They have been aquired with a class that is so ridiculous in Thid, that to me... they don't count at all.
i can live with people taking their BD to thid to get MCL or whatever.
And they are usually killable even though most of them run-through or strafe to make it very hard for anyone to get styles off.
But a fully kited out BD... please people, no matter how hard to try to argue that it actually takes a minimum of skill... i know, /face, strafe /lifetap /lifetap /lifetap. is not hard. The stuns in thid are simply not long enough to make the difference.
I'm not saying that everyone who plays a BD in thid is skillless.
But they sure as hell aren't proving anything on their bonedancers.
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To clarify, before some people undoubtly go crazy.
I have met BD's who didn't add on my fights etc.
And i respect him (or her) for their attitude, but as long as the character is a BD in Thid. I can't give any respect for the quality of the player.
That same person could switch to a zerker or a SB or something and play honorably, no strafing, no run through and no adding.
And i would respect them just as much as i would any other good player.
In this case it really is "Don't hate the player, hate the class"
I have met BD's who didn't add on my fights etc.
And i respect him (or her) for their attitude, but as long as the character is a BD in Thid. I can't give any respect for the quality of the player.
That same person could switch to a zerker or a SB or something and play honorably, no strafing, no run through and no adding.
And i would respect them just as much as i would any other good player.
In this case it really is "Don't hate the player, hate the class"
Dorimor1 said:
Aye because I came here claiming the be the all mightiest of thid did I? Heck i barely play in that place - only when real rvr gets too overrun or too dead.
My point is - any one who plays a BD and think he/she is a good player because they can kill most ppl with a semi OP class in the BGs should be hideing in shame. Because that class require just about the least still ever to play.
I suggest you log your cabalist(a class that require more than 2 buttons) and leave APK unbuffed (like the game is meant to be) - and i will take you down on either my SB or my (group specced) bard any day. Heck i would prefer to use my bard who is in a compelte ROG set just to teach u a lesson.
