Alb zerg: threat or menace?

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Alrindel

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It's just as bad as we always said it was :(
Code:
	Hib		Mid		Alb
Level	Active	Total	Active	Total	Active	Total	
50	135	136	208	208	231	232
49	11	11	18	18	32	32
48	26	26	29	31	43	44
47	34	34	32	32	55	59
46	41	43	34	34	73	75
45	30	31	40	41	75	80
44	42	46	35	36	94	96
43	50	55	63	68	102	105
42	58	61	104	107	144	148
41	88	92	116	119	176	183
40	59	65	67	69	92	99
39	33	35	48	48	58	63
38	58	62	59	62	75	87
37	52	54	61	65	85	93
36	42	45	70	72	81	88
35	61	69	97	103	111	118
34	47	57	68	75	90	100
33	53	60	59	65	92	96
32	49	53	62	70	92	103
31	53	60	52	63	89	101
30	37	45	56	62	108	126
29	49	55	49	53	91	103
28	44	54	44	51	76	89
27	54	63	51	54	79	92
26	60	68	47	56	74	84
25	52	65	83	89	92	110
24	140	150	149	160	231	243
23	93	109	107	117	191	214
22	97	115	87	101	161	178
21	92	114	123	146	159	183
20	117	142	123	141	176	208
19	34	61	43	52	71	94
18	77	112	65	77	101	134
17	104	130	93	106	117	149
16	105	133	83	104	150	178
15	97	129	84	102	158	193
14	70	100	85	103	138	177
13	130	169	100	109	178	211
12	139	202	140	177	216	263
11	179	258	128	160	275	351
10	226	320	176	243	422	541
9	143	216	136	180	310	402
8	115	192	140	185	269	343
7	107	179	123	168	262	356
6	116	203	131	182	250	331
5	151	236	121	178	223	293
4	40	61	27	46	40	64
3	25	45	26	37	39	62
2	17	29	14	26	25	43
1	25	35	45	50	69	95
Total	3757	4885	4001	4701	6641	7912
Active 45-50: 277 Hibs, 361 Mids, 509 Albs
Active 40-50: 574 Hibs, 746 Mids, 1117 Albs

It's just as we always said: Midgard has a similar numbers to Hib but a much greater proportion of high levels, and Albion has nearly a 50% advantage over Hib. It's pretty disheartening for a poor little elf.
 
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- Pathfinder -

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Out of curiosity, did you parse this, or just take it out of one of the XML pages? :)
 
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Verena

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"we have a lot of low level alts who don't RvR"

LOL, 231 active lvl50

Ooh man, this server is messed up. Glad I moved to prydwen :)
 
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- Pathfinder -

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Even the weakest Realm here has more 50s than Albion/Prydwen. Zerglings, all of ye! :p
 
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c0ngo

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Originally posted by Alrindel
Active 45-50: 277 Hibs, 361 Mids, 509 Albs
Active 40-50: 574 Hibs, 746 Mids, 1117 Albs

It's just as we always said: Midgard has a similar numbers to Hib but a much greater proportion of high levels, and Albion has nearly a 50% advantage over Hib. It's pretty disheartening for a poor little elf.

Unfortunately u can't take alts out of this so these figures don't tell you how many people are actually playing on each realm just the number of active characters in Guilds on each server.

The proportions shown are probably about right though but Alb can't get 231 lvl 50's out as a number of them are are people with 2x lvl 50's on the same acct, assume Mid is much the same but I've not heard of any Hibs with 2x lvl50's although there may well be some.
 
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Killgorde

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So the Albs officially have 45% of the server population?

Who cares? They still suck bigtime ;)

Ask yourselves who your most feared opponent is. Karam maybe? Mine are the Hib lads Eble, Nova and co (ok so we dont see each other much these days due to my romance with the Albion Frontier).

I do feel sorry for the Hibs lack of strength in depth however. :( Maybe the 50's in the realm should take time out to give their juniors a big boost for the benefit of the realm. (I apologise in advance if you find this offensive) I can't see any other way of improving their lot in life...
 
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Eblessair

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Originally posted by Killgorde
So the Albs officially have 45% of the server population?

Who cares? They still suck bigtime ;)

Ask yourselves who your most feared opponent is. Karam maybe? Mine are the Hib lads Eble, Nova and co (ok so we dont see each other much these days due to my romance with the Albion Frontier).

I do feel sorry for the Hibs lack of strength in depth however. :( Maybe the 50's in the realm should take time out to give their juniors a big boost for the benefit of the realm. (I apologise in advance if you find this offensive) I can't see any other way of improving their lot in life...

:clap: :m00: :clap:
 
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K0nah

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We need double the numbers to counter the hibs obcene mezz/nuke capabilities. Go look at US all the servers with a hi hib population are unstoppable. Hib is unbalanced. Sure the nerf bat is coming :p
 
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old.Nol

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yeah, that makes loads of sense, Nerf the tiny hib population...
 
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Xandax

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Originally posted by K0nah
We need double the numbers to counter the hibs obcene mezz/nuke capabilities. Go look at US all the servers with a hi hib population are unstoppable. Hib is unbalanced. Sure the nerf bat is coming :p

Or hibs. need the mez/nukes to handle the alb.s numbers (and us mid. to a degree). :p
Any realm that has the majority of players will be the strongest.
Most of this game is based on numbers.

Nerf the nerfing instead.
 
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BlueJam

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Mids been doing some zerging of our own in DF :D
 
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idril_daoc

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dispite the numbers albs currently have are they no real threat compared to mid .. coz ive never seen a 8 group hibbys been wiped by a 8 group of albs. when iam rvring iam abuot 100% more scared of mids then albs coz albs often rely on there numbers more then there playing skillz (thou some have gr8 skillz) i think albs are starting to or always have been zerglings and prolly always been counting on the power of the swarm.
 
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Novamir

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yep i agree with xandax, each realm has good aoe mezzers with Healers being by far the best (at the moment and up to now). bards have the same seconds single and aoe mez but have no quickcast, and worse armour, and no instas (worst of anything as of 1.49). sorcs have quickcast aoe mez which is why i hate Veeshan so much.

i am so envious of midgard, and honestly think that you guys don't know how to rvr... do all your healers quit when they get to 50? just the thought of playing alongside a good healer, and having speed 5 in the form of an undetectable chain wearing tank
makes me wet..

i think stun is the most killer thing in the game. I also wouldn't give a shit about them taking baseline stun away from hib mages, and instead giving 1 hib class insta stun (ie healers, minstrels).

at the moment hib is STILL the weakest of all realms for crowd control, because we have no instas. we can NEVER afford to get jumped because if we do, in those chaotic first seconds of a meeting of groups, the instas will still always come out on top. we all know that rvr is about the mez, what use is a fucking castable stun when you are mezzed-stunned. because of this, all sensible hib rvrers know we can never stay still, meaning you will never see my group standing around regenning at alb wall (copyrighted by albs).

we MAKE advantages for ourselves in rvr. we have nothing special. we have no insta spells. if albs and mids are so stupid that they cannot understand the value of their primary mezzers, thats their problem :). albs didn't give me a decent challenge without a zerg since veeshan left, and its pretty funny that mids just never take their healers to rvr.
 
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Dalby

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smaller doesnt mean better :(
most organised are the best....

why have i made an alb char? :D
 
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Riddler

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Originally posted by Novamir
its pretty funny that mids just never take their healers to rvr.

actually its the other way around :rolleyes:

but now i can see albs arguments if they say its _slightly_ harder to lvl in alb then in mid/hib(not really sure :p), at least thats what ive noticed after rerolling to pryd

almost no sorcs in exp groups, and no castable mana regen (downtime is huge =/), lack of minstrels etc

sure, that clerics have health regen buff which is conc based is cool enough, but not many enhance clerics around are there? :rolleyes:

anyways...prydwen rules, starting to get fairly balanced now :clap:
 
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old.Sepiritz

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'tis true. Alb lacks seriously in CC which would explain why mid 'uber gank squads' rule alb forces several times their own size. Alot of albs arent that bad as people like to say they are, they just get aoe mezzed, single stunned and eaten by a nasty troll.. one by one. I myself have relived that tactic over and over and after this decided to make an infil since they are rarely subject to the mezwars that occur in rvr.
More sorcs needed in albion, asap. :)

btw, after the most recent patch in the us, as i understand it, hibs will have insta aoe mez on bards(?) at 1500 range, mids will still have their uber-cc-healers with insta aoes at 1500 range, hibs will even have insta aoe root on dr00ds with 1500 range.. albs will still have.. insta pbaoe mez. Take a guess who will win the mez wars? :(
I can only hope that purge will help more then i think it will..
 
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herjulf

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The problem is that, people are bored with their healers.
And remember HEALER is the ONLY crowd control midgard has.
And should have better crowd control properties just for this reason.

And yes me thinks stun should be downsized in all classes that has it or removed.

As far as i can tell, the other realms crowd controllers also are good in singling mobs.
plz i urge u to correct me if i am wrong.

A healer can HARDLY take an gren/blue mob.
this directly from a healer friend.
And with using instas and stuns, and so on.

Last keep raid i was on, we had one healer with us.
Last emain zerg i was on 2 were there + a nice shammie named Hoksar :)

I happen to realise that people have noted this and begun working on healers.
So we have a small horde of upcoming healers i believe.
I now hope we will be forthcoming and get PBAOE capable Spiritmasters aswell soon, for keep defence.
I have one, but has gotten tired of exp :) well see what happens.
 
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Tigerius

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Because Healers are your only CC they should be better at it? Wait a minute is it just me who finds a problem with this statement...

As for healers soloing, they can't and they don't and why on earth should they? You take one look at that class and tell me it can't get a group any time of day within 5 minutes?
 
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old.XanateA

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<- is active playing my healer :)

Can't wait until ppl get sick of DF and go to emain again.

Ill bring a uber gank party to run at speed 5 and insta mezz your bard Novamir and then mezz ur entire party and send the trolls loose on you ;<
Kekek :)
 
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K0nah

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Originally posted by idril_daoc
dispite the numbers albs currently have are they no real threat compared to mid .. coz ive never seen a 8 group hibbys been wiped by a 8 group of albs.

The only time u will see that happen is when theres a Sorcerer in the grp, shocking isnt it? :rolleyes:

We have a few lvl50 sorc now but lets not compare it to the number of bards u guys have. Not to mention every hib caster getting paralyze/stun. Christ imagine 40 lvl50 bards, the battlefield would just be a sea of mezz..

/me feels for the poor yanks
 
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- Pathfinder -

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Originally posted by K0nah


The only time u will see that happen is when theres a Sorcerer in the grp, shocking isnt it? :rolleyes:

We have a few lvl50 sorc now but lets not compare it to the number of bards u guys have. Not to mention every hib caster getting paralyze/stun. Christ imagine 40 lvl50 bards, the battlefield would just be a sea of mezz..

/me feels for the poor yanks

Amen, bloody Hibs always have their bards :) As much as I hate it, it boils down to us choosing emain as a battlefield; seriously no Hib groups will come to Emain without speed, and so they get an AE mezzer for free /cry.
 
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Javai

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Originally posted by K0nah


The only time u will see that happen is when theres a Sorcerer in the grp, shocking isnt it? :rolleyes:


Well a couple of days ago our group of 6 took out a group of 8 Hibs from our favourite flanking position. We had no AoE mezzer as such just 3 tanks, a cleric, a minstrel and a stealther reporting their position. Actually quite a nice group since there wasn't really a one shot target amongst us. You can concentrate on fighting if you aren't worrying about keeping that cloth wearing beacon alive :)

If I remember correctly we didn't even suffer a death in that fight.
 
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old.Arya

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Originally posted by Javai


We had no AoE mezzer as such just 3 tanks, a cleric, a minstrel and a stealther reporting their position.
If I remember correctly we didn't even suffer a death in that fight.

Cleric have some insta mezz thingie haven't they ? And it is Aoe if I am correct. :rolleyes: If you don't count rush in and press insta button as aoe spell, what then ?
 
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[BF]kate

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Originally posted by old.Arya


Cleric have some insta mezz thingie haven't they ? And it is Aoe if I am correct. :rolleyes: If you don't count rush in and press insta button as aoe spell, what then ?


That only works if they don't see you coming. Otherwise you're mezzed and/or rooted before you can get close enough. The range is very small on cleric pbaoe mez. It's definately useful, but it's not the same as having a targeted mez/aoe mez. ;)
 
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- Pathfinder -

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Make that PBAE mez :p If your group gets disbaled by a single cleric using this, you're not paying attention and probably deserved to die :p
 
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Jarrax

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Originally posted by Javai


Well a couple of days ago our group of 6 took out a group of 8 Hibs from our favourite flanking position. We had no AoE mezzer as such just 3 tanks, a cleric, a minstrel and a stealther reporting their position. Actually quite a nice group since there wasn't really a one shot target amongst us. You can concentrate on fighting if you aren't worrying about keeping that cloth wearing beacon alive :)

Advanced info via stealther, took em unawares with warp speed, inst pb mezz, plus castable mezz from minstrel on the loose ones, not entirely suprising you won.
 
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mcdonalds

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Wrong :p

Originally posted by idril_daoc
dispite the numbers albs currently have are they no real threat compared to mid .. coz ive never seen a 8 group hibbys been wiped by a 8 group of albs. when iam rvring iam abuot 100% more scared of mids then albs coz albs often rely on there numbers more then there playing skillz (thou some have gr8 skillz) i think albs are starting to or always have been zerglings and prolly always been counting on the power of the swarm.

Our grp of 8 had a tussle with a grp of 8 hibs

Result : 8 Hibs dead, 0 Albs dead

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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old.Nol

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picture the scene - 40 lvl 50(+ 1 lvl 35) Bards and a sea of mezzed albs

/yell ok, so now what?
/yell um dunno, pick one and hit it?
/yell but it's blue!
/yell yeah, but there are forty of us
/yell and???
/yell well surely forty of us can kill one?
/yell maybe we can heal it?
/yell WTF, SHUDDUP NOLERDRAIC! *mumbles*
/yell sorry
/yell so what we do?
/yell Let's hit this one ... it's that karam fella
/points at fella with both hands on stick
/yell NO WAYS, THAT DEWD NAILS 80 PEOPLE WITH ONE SWING!
/yell sheet, 'e is well 'ard
/yell SO, back to the frikking question at hand, what do we do?
/yell we can lull them all?
/yell Message Miss she can come solo them all...
/yell ummmmm ok, someone message Miss
/yell She's not replying
/yell She only talks when she dead...stop trying
/yell Get a tank and tell him to....WAIT!, THIS ONE MOVED!
/points at fella with drum
/yell that's alpha, he's uber, got his own personal cleric like that runs around and stuff and buffs him?
/yell where's it?
/yell I think it in the TK
/yell should we mezz it?
/yell YEAH, SOLID PLAN, LET'S GO MEZZ IT!
/yell SWEEEEEEEET
/yell YAAAAAAAAAY

scene ends - 40 lvl 50(+ 1 lvl 35) bards run to the TK and pull tk gaurds DOH!
 
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Javai

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Originally posted by Jarrax


Advanced info via stealther, took em unawares with warp speed, inst pb mezz, plus castable mezz from minstrel on the loose ones, not entirely suprising you won.


We didn't use the pb aoemezz, our cleric was too busy healing our poor chain wearers who really don't like those pointy sticks the Hibs like to wield.

And my point was simply that you don't need a Sorc in group to win ;)
 
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Freia

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Originally posted by herjulf

A healer can HARDLY take an gren/blue mob.
this directly from a healer friend.
And with using instas and stuns, and so on.

Uhm, well... I'm 41 and I solo low yellows without using any instas. Maybe your healer friend didnt have chain armour yet or somethig? Anyway I have 10 points in Augmentation and only 26 pac so not much bufs and no insta mez/stun yet either. :)
I pull with debuf and cast stun when mob is close so I get a few hits for free but thats it. Then its just to bash away with my good old orange 2H hammer or epic staff... sure it takes well over a minute before the mobs go down but its never really a tough fight against low yellows. I havnt bothered to actually try higher yellows / oranges cuz its sooo boring to whack and whack and whack and see the monsters hp bar (and my own) go down at aproximately the same rate as it goes up when resting :p
But if the mob is too tough and I get in trouble I got my 2 trusty instaheals and atleast half my end to sprint away since I cant use any styles =)
 

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