Alb need stun?
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Um, AE stun is nothing like as useful as ae mez - it's much shorter, especially with AE falloff, and that's before you take into account resists and determination. Even against a mage group AE stun isn't that great, maybe 8 seconds at best, vs tanks it's little more than a speed bump - the stun duration is less than the casting time of the spell.
As for AE mez then AE stun, only foolish mids would do that. Usually they AE stun then AE mez - if people are too twitchy they purge the stun and get hit with the mez.
As for AE mez then AE stun, only foolish mids would do that. Usually they AE stun then AE mez - if people are too twitchy they purge the stun and get hit with the mez.
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I second the proposal to change the realms to red, green and blue team with identical classes.
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Nimah™ said:
narh, my threads only ask questions. You're not suposse to ask a question and follow up with your own opinion.
Funny how when ever Albs ask for someone one of the other realms have we get the 'realms are different' answer yet mids and don't seem to be complaining about getting a lite BOF or SOS in NF.
Against high Det tanks, with capped restists and restist buff a cast stun isn't going to do much to stop they (appart from dropping them out of speed maybe). But Stun isn't really used as a CC spell as it's an offencive spells while mezz and root can be used this way you can only make one offencive action against the target (unless you plan on following up a stun). If you stun someone you often intend to do as much damage to them as possible before they come out (so AOE stun with BPAE is very effective as it 'can' give you 2-3 free cast). MM showed that AOE stun (both cast an instent) is not as useless as mids would have us beleave.
Even if Albs did get AOE stun they probably couldn't use it as effectifly as Mids, mainly because Clerics would be the most likely class to receive it in there smite line (lack of Smite Clerics and Icewizards). Hibs main PBAE caster already has a single cast stun which they can debuff resists for (meaning that more often than not you will get stunned between 70-100% duration). Hibs would therefore probably find AOE stun hinders there normal tactic due to immunity timers.
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Balbor said:
(just pointing out, I am an Alb)
Usually not worth casting stun as a hib caster. If it's not a tank, they're dead so fast you don't need it, stun is a nice interrupt, but so is a nuke. If they are a tank then even with debuff det will cut it down to a couple of seconds. I always got shouted at for stunning with my hib caster cos it prevented slam from landing. 
BTW Balbor, I largely played Alb.
BTW Balbor, I largely played Alb.
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Danya said:Usually not worth casting stun as a hib caster. If it's not a tank, they're dead so fast you don't need it, stun is a nice interrupt, but so is a nuke. If they are a tank then even with debuff det will cut it down to a couple of seconds. I always got shouted at for stunning with my hib caster cos it prevented slam from landing.
BTW Balbor, I largely played Alb.
50% debuff will remove most resist of people and the only tanks with DET will likely be going for druids and bards. Anyway not sure what you are saying, Would Debuff Nuking Enchanters find AOE stun and benifit or hinderence?
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Danya said:Usually not worth casting stun as a hib caster. If it's not a tank, they're dead so fast you don't need it, stun is a nice interrupt, but so is a nuke. If they are a tank then even with debuff det will cut it down to a couple of seconds. I always got shouted at for stunning with my hib caster cos it prevented slam from landing.
Funny how NP, GA and Eclipse allmost allways stun me then in 1fg vs 1fg fights then ^^
Yes, Im a caster..
Hinderence really - for debuff nukes a single target stun is better. AE stun is mainly useful for keeping people in PBAE range.Balbor said:
Zebolt - there are always exceptions, if you're just nuking a random, the power spent on stun isn't worth it, also if you have a slam tank caster stun really isn't worth it. For high RR hard to kill non-det people than caster stun can be very useful, especially if your target MOCs (or you think they might).
Nimah - You can get mezzed for a minute, then rooted for a minute then remezzed for a minute for a basically infinite amount of time. Most classes have a ranged attack so can just get out of it by attacking the caster during mez immunity.
Danya said:
Those 8 seconds are enough to wipe 3-4 alb casters though if the mid casters are good at targeting/assisting.(you haven't seen toa sc'ed casters yet danya?xD)
I wouldn't want aoe stun in alb, i would just like to see armsman and wizards gain some fixes.
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Sycho said:
fix wizards by giving them instent resist debuffs for there spec line (ie Fire Debuff in fire line) and don't post any shit about how it being over powered, were supposed to be the most power nukers in the game due to there lack of utility.
Balbor said:
I got a wiz check sig.
I would like 10-20% debuffs available but then again ToA sced casters are overpowered and i run with a body sorc anyway usually.I rather have something else but mythic will never give wizards a boost they have said so for ages.Anyway i still play it no matter what just like my merc when there was no RA's because i do not care who plays such and such i play what i find fun for me even if it's not the best class out there.
Wizard nukes are very strong with a body sorc...with ToA sc can hit 700s without crits :E
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AE stun makes PBAE in keeps a viable option. Would suggest either removing instant pbae disease from shamans and giving to a spirit cabalist or giving alb a form of instant pbae ownage cc.
The argument of Different realms Different skills dont holdup when put against the past, that argument is always used when and only when theirs not a viable argument to counter the original one (See RA whines before NF was announced).
AE stun is and always has been overpowering, instant mez is ok, it breaks and an get away, but for non det classes ae stun has and always will be the most anonoying and frustrating thing ingame when aced with pbae.
Mids/Hibs always spoke about SOS as an "I win" button but instant stun really is beyond that, denie it as you will, it owns in PvE and RvR.
AE INSTANT DISEASE FOR CABALISTS! (atleast will help alittle rather than having 3 instant ae cc types in one realm)
The argument of Different realms Different skills dont holdup when put against the past, that argument is always used when and only when theirs not a viable argument to counter the original one (See RA whines before NF was announced).
AE stun is and always has been overpowering, instant mez is ok, it breaks and an get away, but for non det classes ae stun has and always will be the most anonoying and frustrating thing ingame when aced with pbae.
Mids/Hibs always spoke about SOS as an "I win" button but instant stun really is beyond that, denie it as you will, it owns in PvE and RvR.
AE INSTANT DISEASE FOR CABALISTS! (atleast will help alittle rather than having 3 instant ae cc types in one realm)