Advancing to higher divisions.

[old.scrappy]

Is there anyway we (SA) can get from the forth division to the top division without having to play 3 seasons and coming in the top 3 for each???
Not being big headed (honest) but we are new to BW and I really don't think the 2-4 divisions are going to be a challenge.

[SA]Scrappy www.snipers.co.uk


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Fuck with the
best......errr how does it
go?....

 

[old.[UDF2.1]Darkman]

Personaly I think thats an insult!
Are you one of these people, who like to push there way to the front of a cue, in banks and shop and so on.

Like the rest of us work, your way to the top.

 

[old.[UDF2.1]Darkman]

I will look forward to playing you on the 28th of september m8, should be intresting to see how good you really are, LOL.

[UDF2.1] Ultimate Dark Forces 2000

"Fear us"

 

[SAS]

Nope. Your in a DIV and will stay in there unless you can fight your way out. Note the league is not listed in order, so div1 may not hold the best clan.

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http://guides.barrysworld.com

 

[old.scrappy]

Right so lets see if I am getting this right, say if we win our first 3 games (hehe optimistic) then we won't be sitting at the top of the 4th division, we will be in the appropritate division depending on our points. So if SG had 32 points and were at the top of the first and we had 30 points we would be 2nd in the first?

Oh quick apologee to the other bloke, I wasn't having a dig at the other clans, just saying it might get a bit dull for the first couple of seasons before getting to play the top dogs in the first.

 

[old.[UDF2.1]Darkman]

You said it yourself m8 before, you are new to barryswold league. So are others in the bottom division, so assuming your the best may not be the case m8.

As [UDF2.1] are new and are in the 4th division and are quite happy to work for the top place in division 1, "not jump to division 1 because you think your the best"

May I remind you, even in football league you have to earn you position, and thats the same for counter-strike leagues.

"never assume anything in life m8, gets you no where"

 

[SAS]

Darkman said it all really

The league is not ordered in skill just yet. A few clans i.e. clan U deserve to be in div1, but are in div2. After this season we will see who really is good and they will be promoted.

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Posted by S.A.S
http://guides.barrysworld.com

 

[old.scrappy]

Thx guys, I just wanted to get an idea of how the league works. Looks like we'll jus thave to try and work our way up.
We're diffinitly not the beset in the UK by no means anways, we got beaten by UKLA last night

 

[old.Barog]

Hey

Sorry about asking here.. I didn't read the rules very carefully.. so.. Do we work our way up the divisions by winning our current division in the next 10+ weeks and then go up and so on yes ?

Look forward to playing you [UDF2.1]

See ya

[SA]Barog - lovely 29 - 1 last night vs TAA

 

[old.QorbeQ]

Right. I'm not an admin. I'm just a player in the league. But...

As I see it, the league is fairly new. Hence, it's bloody difficult to sort the lumps out of who is and is not good and who should and should not be in various divisions.

The current league placings for teams is a bit, errm, "higgledy-piggledy" at the moment. There may be some great teams in Div 4, there may be some duds in Div 1.

So, for the first couple of seasons it's a bit of a "settling period". Clans will probably get rearranged based on their apparent skill (rather than the proper promotion/relegation method) and so may move more than one division up and down.

Eventually things will get closer to proper skill-based divisions. Once the league has settled down (this season, next, who knows?), the promotion/relegation thing will come into effect properly.

I should think that any clan losing a division will get demoted anyway and anyone winning will get promoted, simply because of their evident skill - it's just that some others might get rearranged too to make the divisions more balanced.

Ahem.


[This message has been edited by QorbeQ (edited 08 September 2000).]

 

[old.[UDF2.1]Darkman]

It doesn't work that way m8, thats like saying a new football team enters the league and because the can beat the first division team they should shoot striaght to the top of division 1, come on.

Even if you are a good team and you have just entered the leagues, like everyone else you should have to work your way to the top reguardless of how good you are, thats what league tables are all about.

Seems that some clans want, to be at the top without doing the work.

when you entered the league you should have read the rules and how the league works, not want to change them after you have joined.

Play fair, like everyone else, do the work and earn your position at the top.

 

[old.QorbeQ]

To quote myself...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I should think that any clan losing a division will get demoted anyway and anyone winning will get promoted, simply because of their evident skill - it's just that some others might get rearranged too to make the divisions more balanced.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not suggesting for a moment that someone from Div 4 might be bumped up to Div 1, just that the Q3 leagues used a little common sense when defining league divisioning after the first couple of seasons based on the performance of the teams therein (people performing well were moved up quite a way, people performing badly were dropped down) simply to give people good, even games.

I have to admit that I hadn't read the promotion bit of the rules until now. 3-up-3-down seems to be quite good for getting things sorted quickly.

The Q3 DM league (taken as an example because of it's size) theoretically had 2 up, 3 down from it's 2xdiv2, 3xdiv3 structure but some teams were promoted/demoted over-and-above the normal ones simply based on their obvious performance. Odds are that until the league settles down there will be some movement of teams at season end over-and-above the requisite 3-up-3-down.

And as for the "want to come top without playing" - we played our first clan CS match last night and lost both rounds. I have absolutely no wish to be promoted (in fact, I'd say we may have been better off starting in Div 4...) in any way shape or form.

All I'm saying is the Q3 leagues moved some clans around simply because they would have obviously totally outclassed the other clans in their division, based on their performance and I would expect the same to happen here until things settle.


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[old.TheGenius]

Some fair points here but you should also realise that there are a lot of other leagues as well, and the BWCSL admins should know that SA are worthy of playing Div 1 in BWCSL rather than playing them against inferior clans every week.

My 2 cents...

 

[old.[UDF2.1]Darkman]

I understand what QorbeQ is saying, but what I'm trying to say, is it doesn't matter if your good or bad, when entering a new league you start at the bottom and work your way to the top. That is the hole point of a league.

And as for SA clan prove to Barrysworld your good enough first. Then like everyone else earn the position.

You don't walk into a bank, and say I've more money than you so I should be in front of you, Do you! "another of my quotes sorry"

 

[old.scrappy]

Ok ok enough already I get the picture
No really we are quite happy to play in Div4 there do weem to be a few good clans here who will give us a run for our money.


Me happy bunny just to be in this league.

 

[old.L-Fluke]

Lo all,
uh, I'd just like to say that while I get the point about clans working their way to the top, there is a slight error I feel in the way you added in new clans to the league for Season 2. FA were one of the last clans to get in before season 2, but somehow we ended up in Division 2. While I'm not complaining about this it would've made more sense to me to put the newest clans in division 4, then bump clans who've been there longer up into higher divisions. To clarify this could SAS please say what would happen if at the end of this season a division 1 team dropped out, wouldn't it be best if the 3rd highest 2nd division team replaced them along with the 2 proper promotions, rather than the team first on the waiting list jumping straight into division 1? It makes sense to me, but there are a lot of clans in division 1 and 2 who havn't even played in season 1 (FA included)
This is a really complicated issue, I feel sorry for whoever has to make sense of it
L-Fluke