Admins - It's time to rise to the occasion

[old.- Desolate -]

If the information I've received thus far is correct, the NGUK servers are dead and there's little hope of any resurrection any time soon. I came by this info while playing on an American CTF server as I usually do whenever the NGUK servers are down or just full of selfish lamers not willing to play T2 CTF as it's intended to be. I asked an NGUK tribe member just what was going on with the servers, and he shocked me with this blunt reply: "nguk is dead, it no longer exists".

If this statement is to be believed, then Barrysworld will now be handed the task of providing the majority of UK Tribes players with a venue at which to play. This, I can't deny, worries me deeply.

You see, I thrive on largely populated, well-contested CTF games, It's the very reason I purchased T2. Also I'm presently limited by my modest household budget to a regrettably slow 56K connection, so USA servers sadly aren't a viable alternative to me.

A change to the maximum players permitted in each of the BW standard CTF servers is long overdue, my own preference would be that of the NGUK standard of 48. This is the first of several reforms I feel are needed in order to finally put the BW servers in a strong enough position not only to please those UK players who wish to see changes made to the servers, but the T2 players throughout the world who are often heard to mock BW for it's lack of flexibility when it comes to the state of it's T2 servers.

Here I list the few changes that I, and many other players I've talked to over the course of my T2 playing time, wish to see made to the BW T2 servers:

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Maximum Player Limit of 40-50 players

Map cycle - Katabatic, Death Birds Fly, Desiccator, Slap Dash, Recalescence, Archipelago, Reversion, Thin Ice.

Do us all a favour and drop the "Barry" and "Gloria" teams, this is admittedly a trivial matter, but one the so many of us would wish to see resolved.

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Finally, I accept the fact that you can never hope to please everyone when selecting server parameters and map cycles, however the changes I'm proposing are obviously those than the majority of UK T2 players would wish for. You know it makes sense

 

[old.Irn-Bru]

WHY, on EARTH would you ever concider a small map loop like that which actually contained Death Birds Fly, which I must say, is one of the most shocking maps around.

--->>> IMHO <<<---

uke: -> Death Birds

 

[Xtro]

"however the changes I'm proposing are obviously those than the majority of UK T2 players would wish for."

if thats not arrogant I dont know what is.

A simple - can we have player limits up to 48? would do.

 

[MYstIC G]

I've got 2 problems with this personally

1. How many people did you actually ask?
2. That map rotation sucks my balls[/list=1]Nuff said

 

[old.Wils]

You see, I thrive on largely populated, well-contested CTF games, It's the very reason I purchased T2.

Me too, it's the very reason I never played on NGUK, whose servers I found overpopulated and poorly contested.

Hopefully now that their T2 servers are down we'll see some properly run and adminned servers with players on, so that the majority of decent UK Tribes 2 players don't have to play on servers in mainland europe to get a good game.

 

[Fergus]

I read your post with interest, and the points that you make regarding a) the size of the teams b) the map cycle c) that it worries you deeply and also d) the team names.

First of all a):

Team sizes are never an easy thing to please people with. You are faced with arguements from one side saying that 32 is too small and then the arguement form those whos PC's simply cannot handle playing on a server with more than 32 (for example) on a server. I dont think that it would be fair to do that in the first instance for this reason. Secondly the standard team sizes in most Leagues and competitions that I am aware of varies from 12 to 16. Should it not be the case that the public servers be the same ? As this seems to be the standard team size would that not indicate that anything above that is deemed to be either too many for it to be playable to its potential, although it could be argued that for a proper oganised game 16 is optimal, but not for public play ?

b):

The map cycle you mention is, well to say the least, minimal. There are i belive now 19 ctf maps that are available as being released by Dynamix not including the custom maps that have been issued, and you are suggesting that we use 8 of those ?.
Now prefferable maps vary from person to person, which is why there is the option to vote to change the map, granted there are many times where a map that is not enjoyed by many cannot be voted off, but that is public servers, where the mojority tends to rule.
There are maps which are not condusive to good public play i.e Firestorm and Recalescence, but surely the likes of Thin Ice fall in the same category?

c):

Whilst you say this worries you, you have not mentioned why this is the case. Yes you have said what you would like to see done, but changing a map cycle, and team sizes will never revolutionise the way that servers are run or make them more enjoyable. There has been much said about the position with regards to BW and NGUK in the past, which it is felt by many has affected the reason why certain servers were more populated than others, this however has been gone over time and time again and as such there is no point in going over any further. T2 has now been released for almost 6 months which is realyy an infancy. This being the case, I would like to know why this worries you so much ? From what you have stated you spent most of you time playing on the NGUK servers?


d) The team names, Barry and Gloria, are different. Barrysworld are not the only GSP that have chosen to name teams differently, you do say that this is trivial and I would have to agree. Barry = Storm, Gloria = Inferno. I do fail to see why this should affect peoples choices to play or provide them with any reasons for thinking that it will not be as good game. Why does this "need to be resolved" ?


Finally as has been mentioned in a previous post:

"however the changes I'm proposing are obviously those than the majority of UK T2 players would wish for."

Obviously ? Well being honest this is the first time a) team sizes and b) map cycles, other than the custom maps (which you do not mention) have been brought up as being a problem.
This being the case it would seem, that unless we suddenly hear otherwise, it is the minority that thinks this way.

"You know it makes sense"

I am not disagreeing that changes could be made, it seems that the changes you are suggesting are not likely to make any immediate or long term difference as to how the servers are perceived or to the quality of gameplay.

"........T2 players throughout the world who are often heard to mock BW for it's lack of flexibility when it comes to the state of it's T2 servers."

They are often heard to mock BW ? Its sad when it gets to the stage where people that are looking to a company to provide a service mock it and yet do not voice the reasons for doing so. If the mockers were to make their voices heard and state why they think so then people may listen.

"State of it's servers" That intrigues me, what do you mean by that ? Certainly there was a problem previously where the BW servers were not on the Master server through no fault of Barrysworld. It is also the case that BW are presently relocating, which should eliminate any problems which have occured in the past with level 3. If this is "the state" that you refer to it is being and will be resolved very shortly. Other than that BW servers, certainly in my experience on modem, ISDN and cable, have provided the most consistent pings.

It is always sad to see any GSP go under as has happened to Wireplay, now NGUK and as almost happened to Barrysworld. All GSP's are there to provide a service to all of us that wish to play online games. I'm sure that any of those providers in the past and the present look to their customers to suggest improvements that could be made to increase the enjoyment of their customers, I do feel however that the "proposals" that you have made, would server very little purpose, certainly as far as improving gameplay or peoples perception of the service provided.

Now that I have havered on for a while, please tell me if i have missed the point. But i feel that the proposals that you have made, are not that of the majority and would not make the Barrysworld servers any "better".
It seems to me that peoples attitudes in some instances are the problem, not I may add yours Desolate. But as has been documented before there is animosity between those that play on certain providers servers and those that play on others, and I do believe that alot of the proposals you make have been thought of and formulated with this lingering in the background.

Fergus.

 

[Xtro]

As Fergus is Scottish and not English he had time to make a great and fully detailed response in that there post...

Whereas I am English and am currently enjoying watching Germany get beaten in the footy - which will a) piss Fergus off as he is Scottish and b) enable to take the piss out of my clan mates who are German and c) proves that I really cant be arsed to make such informative and responsive posts when the footy is on.

Thankyou Ferg .

 

[old.Amything]

Im sorry but i would never play on a server with a map cycle like that. Its got all the maps I hate the most and only a few of the maps i like the most.

Personally I like 32 player servers as it forces some teamplay, if too many people it just becomes chaotic. However I often go on 40+ servers as they can be a blast, but not for "serious pubbing", if such a thing exists.

 

[old.- Desolate -]

*phew* After the initial knee-jerk response from the younger members of the forum I was beginning to think my proposals wouldn't even be considered by someone that holds any considerable power over the BW servers. Thank you Fergus for actually taking note of my suggestions, it's nice to see that the BW staff are prepared to listen rather than to simple blow off any constructive criticism and carry on regardless of public opinion.

For those who have already classified me as an arrogant "no nothing" newbie. I'd just like to make it clear that I have nothing against your community and I'd never dream of storming into a discussion waving a NGUK flag or making any derisory remarks about BarrysWorld and the service that they provide.

At least give me credit for actually attempting to start an intelligent purposeful discussion here, as oppose to simply blurting out whatever infantile, partisan-gibberish that may find it's way into my often-warped mind, eg. "BarrysWorld SuCKs AsS, nGuK r00LZ J0o!!!!"

What I'm really after here is for a percentage of the BW T2 servers allowing numbers of 40-50 players within them, as I've experience some of the best multi-player action ever in servers that allow such an amount of players to join the game. I regret that I didn't consider the fact that certain antiquated PC set-ups couldn't cope in such games and for that I apologise. It's just that with my current PC specs I can handle 40-50 players within a CTF match, but if I'm in a packed "Mega Game" server my horribly inadequate 56k connection begins to choke on the amount of data it's required to process and thus I'm forced to leave. So you can see just why it worries me that all Barrysworld offer me is several 32 players servers and one in which only broadband connections can cope with when it's full.

My suggested map cycle was a tad brief, but then again I've never moderated a T2 server so you can chalk that one up to ignorance on my part. Most of when spotting the often-criticised Resalescence on have developed your opinion of this map in a 32 player setting. In a largely populated server with accomplished players making in both sides this is one of my all time favourites. True, it’s a complete nightmare to capture on, however some of the indoor conflicts, especially those to keep control of your own generator room are extremely rewarding to compete in. The rest of them each hold their own flaws, but for the most part I believe them to be amongst the highest quality CTF maps available.

-Desolate

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by - Desolate -
*phew* After the initial knee-jerk response from the younger members of the forum I was beginning to think my proposals wouldn't even be considered by someone that holds any considerable power over the BW servers.

Dunno about anybody else but I was always under the impression that

• Everybody's opinion counts
• BarrysWorld servers are run for the whole community, so people with "considerable power" don't really exist

As for knee jerk reactions I think yours is more impressive than ours, you keep referencing that you've just come from playing on NGUK and without seemingly making any inroads into the community are calling for server changes. How about getting to know some of us first before casting our opinions out, as I've already said Everybody's opinion counts.

Originally posted by - Desolate -
At least give me credit for actually attempting to start an intelligent purposeful discussion here, as oppose to simply blurting out whatever infantile, partisan-gibberish that may find it's way into my often-warped mind, eg. "BarrysWorld SuCKs AsS, nGuK r00LZ J0o!!!!"

Well you just said it anyhow

Originally posted by - Desolate -
What I'm really after here is for a percentage of the BW T2 servers allowing numbers of 40-50 players within them .....&..... I regret that I didn't consider the fact that certain antiquated PC set-ups couldn't cope in such games and for that I apologise .....&..... So you can see just why it worries me that all BarrysWorld offer me is several 32 players servers

Firstly sorry for having to hack up that quote but those are the points I wish to focus on.

• You may be after getting a percentage but that sounds to me like a demand as supposed to a request. Like your not going to give up until you get your way.
• There are a variety of users out there & BarrysWorld has to cater for them all. I don't consider my box antiquated but until I just added an extra 256mb of ram to it T2 ran like a dog, so I feel sorry for those with even lower spec PCs than me
• You should try not to be worried about the number of players in a game and try and enjoy it first, if its a subject that continues to cause you grievance then I suggest you return here with a slightly more balanced argument than you have atm.

With regard to the map rotation I am under the impression that BarrysWorld run the default map rotations for all games (explains why so many sucky Counter-Strike maps are still there ). I doubt the rotations on all the servers will ever be modified in the fashion you suggest because on a subject like this there is always somebody that will like a map you wish to remove and as before BarrysWorld has to cater for everybody.

btw can somebody give Fergus a spellchecker?

 

[Xtro]

What is your problem?

"After the initial knee-jerk response from the younger members of the forum..."

I had to laugh at that - makes me feel not so much an old fart.

"For those who have already classified me as an arrogant "no nothing" newbie."

Wrong. I didnt classify you - I said it comes across as arrogant. Also I didn't call you a newbie - what IS wrong with being a newbie anyhow??? All start somewhere.

Basically your post came across as "waaaah!! NGUK down!!! Only BW in UK waaaah I DEMAND THIS THAT etc".

As documented before I do not CARE where you played t2 before - I could not give a monkeys about supposed "communities" being slavishly faithful to a GSP. I welcome all the former Wireplay and NGUK players and look forward to more faces on here.

As I said you could have said "can we have 48 player servers" and then I would have popped along and asked.

You might be upset about NGUK - fair enough its a shame. You are more than welcome here but what a way to introduce yourself by flaming BW ("mocked around the world") and then just slagging people in a holier than thou tone.

If BW went tits up (as nearly happened) I wouldn't march into another GSP's forum with a list of demands - I'd be polite. I can be actually...allegedly.


At the end of the day - welcome to Barrysworld. If you "ask" and not make churlish demands with insults covertly slotted in then you might get somewhere.

 

[Xtro]

PS. Former T1 League Admin, former T2 Barrysworld Community Liasion and present T2 League Admin and forum moderator Xtro at your service.

Welcome aboard.

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

Righteo...

GSP's...provide us with a service, us being the community. BW/Jolt and the new BY games all give servers to us to play on. Good servers may I add...
Now...NGUK...server wise, they were sub-standard, quality wise (as in game standard) they were appauling. The 48 player servers you speak of were full, yes. However, how many of the 48 players played to a high standard? Not many.
No comments about the community lark.
NGUK servers should have come with a warning for those with heart problems, "Playing on this server will raise your blood pressure". NGUK servers were the most frustrating servers I and many others have played on and if you're asking BW to copy that...then...
The map rotation you suggested, I will pick apart these maps one by one:

Katabatic

This is not a large team map. The tower is the key to all and having extra players allows more tower trashers. If one team gets the advantage the other team will be tower and base raped all game. Sure, the flag tower is still up but a lot of the pub players love their vehicles and don't really know how to play without them. This would lose players. (I am assuming that there are players on the server who know how to TT and BT)

DBF

Heh, since the skiing patch this map is basically a spawn, heavy up, ski over to the nme base and camp the gens for 30 mins. This is NOT a good pub map and anyone will tell you that

Dessicator

On a pub the teams are rarely finely balanced. This map relies a lot of individual skill. With 48 players, this map just turns into a joke, either 10 on the gens or 20 sat around the base doing nothing

Slap Dash

This is a quick map, I don't see why 48 players would help this map. Infact I can see it breaking it with lame random spam around the flag. The flag is hard to cap (not grab...) even with the worst D which is why it's not a good large map.

Recalescence

Reminds me of Scarb. Large, easy to D, very poor.

Archipelago

Turns into a "who can Shrike O the best" competition or when you get bored "who can camp the gens the longest". This again is NOT a pub map.

Reversion

"Let's sit 5 heavies and an inv on the flag and if we get it let's sit in our base camping all game"

Thin Ice

...er



Pub games are never gonna be coordinated. Using bad maps with odd player limits will only turn a bad pub game into a joke.

Ask people on the ladder if they want a 48 player server with these maps. I can guess their answer.

BW is not flexible at the moment, I agree, however, you don't see BW mocked community wide for being amazingly poor unlike the GSP you mention in your post.

 

[old.r1cko]

Anyone who wants to play Thinice on a public better hope for real life hitbox bugs because I'm about to shoot them in the head.

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

CS sucks

 

[Fergus]

In all honesty what i feel it all boils down to, is trying to cater for as many people as we can. There are players, like yourself, that enjoy the large multi-player games of 40/50+ for whom as you say, there is one megagame server which caters for up to 80 players. And again those that prefer 32.

If you look at the present European Master listing there are i believe 10 maybe 15 maximum out of 100+ servers that offer more than 32 players per server. Granted this is without NGUK being listed who had standard team sizes on their standard CTF servers as 48 which was 4 servers? (not including the mod servers) I'm not entirely sure how many there were. Maybe there is a case for looking at the size of some servers, with there being less available servers out there.

On a personal note, when i mention Recalescence it is a funny one imo, when you look at the potential the game has, and for what the game is described as.. "Team combat on an epic scale".. a lot of Tribes players enjoy the game becuase it is so open and different form the indoor quake-esque type gameplay that recalescence offers in tight enclosed corridors, rather than the open expanses of the maps them selves. This I think is what separates T2 and T1 in one way from most other online FPS games, in the manner in which there are almost limitless dueling and combat scenarios. Thin Ice incidentally, i feel is way too easy for 2 or even 3 experienced players to lock down, regardless of the opposition as is Recal.

Fergus.

 

[old.- Desolate -]

Well if i do what is best for my personal sanity and ignore all posts save those of Fergus I'd consider this to be community I would honestly wish to be a part of. Unfortunately most of you have felt the need to smack me down for having the sheer audacity to ask for a change to the BW servers simply due to my own tastes, and treat me as nothing more than the new forum whipping boy.

I've nothing against BW, so there really is no need to identify me as any kind of threat, I came here merely to ask for changes that would suit my own T2 needs.

Perhaps it would have been wiser to have simply e-mailed an admin in order to express my opinion, rather than throwing myself on the mercy of the jaded BW forum regulars. Well you live and learn. This'll be the very last time I waste any time trying to achieve anything at all contructive on these forums. Thanks for replying Fergus, this is my last post in this topic, despite whatever flames may result from my rejection of this community, it was nice talkin' to you

-Desolate

 

[Xtro]

heh have to laugh when you get people's backs up for being arrogant patronising and rude and then blame everyone but yourself.

You didn't ASK you demanded - and if that is your last attempt at being patronising - good day to you sir, and mind the door doesn't hit your arse on the way out.

 

[old.Shaz_af_Tribes2]

I put it in black and white. I don't think an NGUK style of gameplay would make anybody happy.

Did you even read my post? Did you see how flawed those maps are?

Probably not, oh well.

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by - Desolate -
Well if i do what is best for my personal sanity and ignore all posts save those of Fergus I'd consider this to be community I would honestly wish to be a part of.

Hmm can't ignore this any longer. First you insult us by saying the initial posts we're by younger members of the forums. This wasn't true and was quite frankly a derogotory comment, something you still haven't apologised for.

Secondly you've ignored everybody elses opinions and comments now. The vast majority of which were better thought out than your original arguement and show the true representation of the majority of BarrysWorld users. This goes back to my original point of "How many people did you actually ask?" The answer is "Nobody that uses BarrysWorld." Now I'm very sorry that NGUK is going to be disappearing but you assuming that the views of users that play there are the same as users that play here is, quite frankly, silly.

Finally next time you wish to start a subject like this try and use phrases like "Would anybody else like to see the player limit increased?" which are polite and are classed as questions. Avoid phrases like "What I'm really after here is for a percentage of the BW T2 servers allowing numbers of 40-50 players within them" and "Barrysworld will now be handed the task of providing the majority of UK Tribes players with a venue at which to play. This, I can't deny, worries me deeply." because the first is a demand and the second is an insult.

Think On

 

[old.Stabs]

Most of when spotting the often-criticised Resalescence on have developed your opinion of this map in a 32 player setting. In a largely populated server with accomplished players making in both sides this is one of my all time favourites.

NGUK didnt have Recallacence in its map cycle, nor did it have Thin ice, it also didnt run Quagmire.

Curiously enough BW runs all these maps so dont know why your complaining.

Well if i do what is best for my personal sanity and ignore all posts save those of Fergus I'd consider this to be community I would honestly wish to be a part of.

Typical response of a simple mind, to bury your head in the sand instead of face any counter argument. What you want is one of those little nodding dogs people put in the back of their cars to agree with everything you say.

 

[fatgit]

OK time for a lager induced dose of "WTF"

T2 is hardly the smoothest game out there - lets face facts, its as smooth as wiping your arse with sandpaper.
Yes, large games can be fun, but they're also generally laggy as fuck, and degenerate into DM - which may please some people out there but certainly doesn't please most

T2 has a wide variety of maps, some excellent for small teams, some excellent for large teams and some just total wank - (thin ice falls into the latter category IMO).
The megagame server is there for larger games. Kata is no way playable with 24/30 a side, try Minotaur on 20 a side and tell me it doesnt suck completely.

I'm not saying there isn't room for larger servers, but I cant see why people would want to play on a total lagfest with 60+ other people all trying to be l33t and get the highest score whilst coping with 2fps. You may get 150fps @ full detail with 59 other people all going for the flag, but most of us dont

The proposed map rotation : wtf ? I know CSers all play Dust, Militia or Italy 24/7 but personally I like some variety in life, I was one of the loudest voices for a custom map server. Just because you dont like the other maps, doesnt mean other people should be restricted in map play. Also, Kata was designed for teams up to 16 a side, as were some of the smaller maps. I mean, Beggars Run is an amazing map with 2 decent teams, Minotaur can be, yet you're immediately eliminating those by a larger team size.

Team names : wtf does it matter if your team's called Storm, Inferno, Barry or Anal Rapers ? Does it REALLY affect gameplay ?
Remember, BW are a business, branding is part of that, and something that will enter games more and more in the very near future - the UKCup Quarter/semi/final maps showed just how branding and corporate presence is coming into your gaming experience sooner than you expect.

Sorry if I appear to be ripping you a new anus, that isn't the intention, just stating my opinions on the matter
BW aren't NGUK - they actually give a shit about their customers and the community,and I doubt we will see BW servers becoming NGUK clones - if they do, Im off to NGI.

One last point, do you know the ages of the people that responded, do you know them at all ? Don't be so bloody condescending and assume they are young kids, thats one way to really piss people off

Anyway, Im off back to my lager, please forgive any spelling and/or grammattical errors

 

[old.GRiLLA]

jeez u guys !!

Wow what a hostlie place this is !!!!!

It seems to me that Desolate has come here and given you some feedback on how he would suggest BW improve their service and all you lot have done is flame him. I agree his choice of favorite maps sucks, but we should welcome all feedback that people offer.

Despite their recent demise BW ought to accept that people preffered playing on the NGUK Tribes 2 Servers, so BWs choice of configurations is clearly not the most popular. Don't try telling me it was because they put a space before their name either ...

As far as Desolates comment that BW are seen as inflexible I must say that I agree with him. Just look at the hastle their was convincing BW to turn TD on in the early days, look at the refusal to deplaoy the beta versions on any servers at all, and look at many of the attitudes above.

GRiLLA

(nearly as long in the tooth as Xtro, but not quite

 

[MYstIC G]

just out of interest why would you want to play a beta of Tribes 2 when the supposed current version is buggy enough as it is?

 

[Xtro]

As clearly stated - desolate came across as petulant, demanding, patronising and rude and was duly treated accordingly.

and Grilla - hello...bairn

 

[fatgit]

people played on nguk for 2 main reasons :
1. they were first servers on teh uk master list for those too idle to list by ping
2. BW servers had master list probs

I played on both, and found the NGUK servers to be extremely DM'ish, and poorly adminned, to the point where I was kicked once for asking for TD to be enabled, once for O sniping, and once for mortar spamming the nme flag and killing an admin who was about to cap.

Its sad to see any GSP go down, but I found NGUK rteated its customers shabbily. Numerous times I booked a clan server, which 9/10 failed to come up, so I ASK politely in irc, and get told "wtf are you moaning about you arent fucking paying" - and no, that wasnt from a nobody at nguk

I personally wasnt hostile towards Desolate, only his post, and the tone of it, and subsequent posts.If someone posts utter twaddle (IMHO), I reply in a manner befitting the posters manner.

The TD on issue at the start was partly due to the way T2 had it off as default, and it was enabled pretty fast - a lot faster than NGUK.
Beta patches - Deathace has a policy of not using beta patches, or so I believe, and for public servers this is wise.
We ran beta2 in the UKCup and it caused a shitload of hassle from players because of having to patch, revert, repatch etc.
Take the beta4 patch, this has a serious issue whereby it can crash a server once 20 players are on - do you really want that on a pubby ?
Beta patches are simply that - BETA - for testing, not for pubby play
Also, I dont remember seeing Jolt, NGUK, WP etc running beta2/3/4 servers.....

 

[old.GRiLLA]

just out of interest why would you want to play a beta of Tribes 2 when the supposed current version is buggy enough as it is?

The majority of the reason patches have been brought out has been to fix bugs. Remeber when their was that appauling patch that messed up the elf gun so that peoples machine crashed all over the place ? well there was a beta patch released that fixed it within a few days but BW servers waited weeks for the offical release and were somewhat deserted to my recollection.

As clearly stated - desolate came across as petulant, demanding, patronising and rude and was duly treated accordingly.

Hmmmz, well, I think the punishment outweighed the crime

GRiLLA

 

[MYstIC G]

Originally posted by GRiLLA
The majority of the reason patches have been brought out has been to fix bugs. Remeber when their was that appauling patch that messed up the elf gun so that peoples machine crashed all over the place ? well there was a beta patch released that fixed it within a few days but BW servers waited weeks for the offical release and were somewhat deserted to my recollection.

True enough, but thats down to Dynamix releasing crap patches in reality isn't it, I mean I dunno about you but a downgrade patch was a first for me. Having said that some of the beta patches have been so bad it forced a reinstall Its swings and roundabouts

 

[old.Amything]

Originally posted by - Desolate -
*phew* After the initial knee-jerk response from the younger members of the forum...

I think all that answered are well in there 20s or at least experienced gamers. Your intentions might be good but...

The only big problem I have with BW at the moment is Recalescence. I really dont care if people think its good or bad (personally I dont like it) but the servers empty on it and it ruins the flow of the game. I don't have much time for gaming and Im certainly not going to waste it on Recalescence. Im not from UK so I guess Im not their target customer but people *are* leaving = bad for business. Anyhoo I said it like 10 times before I just really think it needs to go.

 

[haggisman]

as im lazy i didnt really read most of the essay posts. But i have to agree with the ex-nguk peeps about number of peeps in a game, it doesnt do tribes2 justice to have the normal ammount of players, but the megaservers take it a bit too far. Theres nothing like a game of insalubria with 48 warriors running around, and i dare say death birds fly is one of the best maps out there, even nguk's katabatic only server was fun and always full :|

For all the time i played on the nguk servers i never once had an admining problem, there was still the usual tk assortment but those were swiftly delt with by a good kick . In fact it was recently on a bw server where some newbie kicked me for stealing the enemy mpb.

All in all nguk servers were actually good, thats probably why i kept on playing on them, you know you want to have 48 players maybe even 50

/me goes back to sleep :cowsleep: