Abusers never banned?

[old.Attle]

I'm just curious, has anyone ever been banned for bug abusing/cheating ever on this server? Imo GOA is far to forgiving in this matter. It seems like the worst thing that can happen in a 3 day ban. I really think they should have a harder policy on this. Well, has anyone ever had their account deleted?

 

[old.Enscepti...alya]

There's been threads on this before.

1st offense = 3 day ban
2nd offense = perma ban

 

[Aeiedil]

GOA do not publish names of suspended and banned players, although afaik there have been some bannings made, but the players involved don't need to say if they were banned so most dont.

 

[kr0n]

1st offense = 1-3day ban if serious, if lessers you get just a warning email.

And AFAIK on US, Mythic is even sloppier there, this dood abused a bug several times, after warnings, and got only 2 week ban.

 

[Jimli]

And AFAIK on US, Mythic is even sloppier there, this dood abused a bug several times, after warnings, and got only 2 week ban.

Mythic has posted their cheater policy in last weeks friday grab bag :

Q: What is Mythic’s policy for third party program users? Are there any exceptions?

A: Taken from a post of mine on the Vault regarding this very subject:

We have a one strike, you're out policy, as our rule of thumb. There are exceptions, generally due to the "proof" aspect of our internal policy. There are also (very rare) exceptions, such as information gathering.

We will suspend someone as long as we have some proof, even though the investigation may not be complete. However, we will NEVER ban someone for hacking or 3rd party programs without absolute proof. And that proof must come from in-game. We do not accept logs or screenshots that were not taken by a Mythic employee as absolute proof.

We will happily look at logs and screenshots, and give the submitting player the benefit of the doubt. We will use such logs and screenshots as a reason to open an investigation. But those are never the grounds for banning a player in and of themselves.

If you think about it, you'll appreciate that - you would not enjoy being banned based on a potentially altered log, eh?

We have a number of methods by which we catch people using these programs. Please rest assured that none of those methods involve invading your computer - as easy as that would make catching cheaters, it's unacceptable to all of us at Mythic who are at our cores players first. (I personally would quit before I'd work for a company that used such blatant invasions of privacy.)

Finally, a number of players from the Dreds have been busted for Jedi, Telepathy, Ronald McDonald, Kreskin, or whatever the hell people are calling it this week. All banned. Banning cheater accounts is a priority everywhere, but it's especially important in a full PK environment. If enough cheater accounts crop up and require banning from the same player, eventually we kick into "ban by IP/credit card" mode. We do not need or want these players, because they end up chasing away more people than they represent.

So it's more likely they couldn't get the real proof for his cheating out of the logs

 

[Zargar]

In short to the first question, Yes, people have been banned for abusing exploits on this server, and unfortunately it happens regularly.

 

[-Light-]

OMFG GOA GM!?!!?!?!

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!

 

[Khalen]

Well good ban them because they destroy this nice game.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Tis a shame that people have to cheat in games like this.....

Hopefully anyone who's not a complete numbskull will think 'hrm mibbe I'd better not do that' after they get their suspension/warning.

But I imagine there's a few loons out there that'll require a permanent ban...

 

[old.rauthian]

yes it is a dam shame to have to cheat to win at something like the 3 ppl that i no for a fact have high lvl alts in both exca alb and mid in duel accounts 2 of them admitid it yesterday

 

[-Wedge-]

I always wonder though who gets banned and for what...

Bug abusers (e.g. wall-bug, roof bug), the in game map thingie (wont name it here for obvious reasons ), the speed hack, etc...

I really think GOA would do better to have a public list of people that got banned and the reason why... I think this would work in their advantage instead, seeing people will not want to get on that list (should be for suspends too)...

Imho, if a <insert name here> gets a 3 day ban (suspend), and he gets on a list, he'll feel a whole lot worse (since everyone will know that the person got banned and why)...

 

[old.Second]

Originally posted by -Wedge-
I always wonder though who gets banned and for what...

Bug abusers (e.g. wall-bug, roof bug), the in game map thingie (wont name it here for obvious reasons ), the speed hack, etc...

I really think GOA would do better to have a public list of people that got banned and the reason why... I think this would work in their advantage instead, seeing people will not want to get on that list (should be for suspends too)...

Imho, if a <insert name here> gets a 3 day ban (suspend), and he gets on a list, he'll feel a whole lot worse (since everyone will know that the person got banned and why)...

well atleast in norway we got something called personal information protection. that meens that they cant post my name on the hp without me letting them, and how many cheaters do u think is willing to let their name be on that list?=)

 

[old.rauthian]

name and shame you mean that may work but at least it will inform ppl who to look out for like what happened to the mids in odins a few weeks ago.
a certern person thought it be funny to pull the gg onto a bunch of lvl 40 ish ppl trying to retake bled from albs all but for 1 healer was kilied.
this same person has allready recived a 3 day bane for using the charg bug on realm members he has allso been kicked from 7 guilds
and what did goa do to the person who killed over 30 mids for fun then lol at the dead a warning thats all he got was a warning.
if causing the exp death of 30 members of your own realm does not call for banning then what the hell you supose to do

 

[Aeiedil]

Rauthian : pullin a mob on your own force is idiotic, not against the rules (unless its someone from the another realm on a second account) afaik.

Second : surely if there was something in the ToS about this could get rid of legal problems? due to people having to aggree to teh tos to play the game, after all if a player aint gonna cheat why should they worry about the possibility of their name being published if they do cheat

 

[Flimgoblin]

PIP would only apply to personal details yes?

Posting the character name wouldn't be a problem I assume? (or would it... interesting court case there anyway )

(at least, I don't think they'd be posting peoples real-name names/addresses for the lynch mob to go burn em down but then again...)

Also there's the wacky thrill of 'look theres my name in the exploiters list, ain't I l33t!'

 

[-Wedge-]

Dont think pulling a mob on your own realm mates is considered cheating or bug abuse

Must agree, not the smartest thing someone could have done

As for the 'personal information protection' thingie, dont think it would apply to this, since its not your 'personal' information thats on the internet. Its your character names (all alts too), since these will be publicly available anyhow(when/if chronicles ever come live). Unless /anon removes the name above your head too, I dont see how this could apply here.

Imho, a public list of 'shame' would be a better way to battle against cheaters... But it would not suffice with just "X was banned for 3 days", if would have to state a reason. (e.g. for using a wall bug on <date> at <position> or for using a speed hack, etc)

 

[old.Attle]

I agree with the idea to have a public list with people who are caught cheating and/or abusing. This sort of list worked very well on the CS-server I used to play on, so why not here. I'm quite sure that there are no laws against posting a chars: name, class, level and server on a public list.

Regarding the guy who pulled GG on Bledmeer retake team. Its not a cheat/bugabuse, but ruining the game for other people should banable just the same imo. He killed lots on non-lvl 50 ppl and they sufferd from xp loss. This guy is probalby the least popular person in Midgard, no one that I know has anything positive to say about him. I'm suprised that he accually wants to play on the server.

 

[old.Second]

Originally posted by Aeiedil
Rauthian : pullin a mob on your own force is idiotic, not against the rules (unless its someone from the another realm on a second account) afaik.

Second : surely if there was something in the ToS about this could get rid of legal problems? due to people having to aggree to teh tos to play the game, after all if a player aint gonna cheat why should they worry about the possibility of their name being published if they do cheat

yeah but would you agree to it if it said your name would be hanged out if you did something wrong? =) and then suddenly finds your name on the list after using a bug you didnt know was a bug?=)

 

[-Wedge-]

Abusing something you didnt know was a bug is not against the CoC... But sitting inside the wall shooting people, I think you can guess thats bad...

 

[Alrindel]

I note just in passing this on the DAOC-Europe home page:

Last night, a file called login.dll was patched. This file had nothing to do with the connection problem. The only change this file does is giving more information to the “banned” accounts trying to connect.

So people are indeed getting banned out there.

 

[Aeiedil]

Imo a name should be put up for bans, but not for warnings. A warning is there so that people can stop before they get banned and lose their charachters that they have spent so much time on. If something happened and I got banned or my charachters deleted then I am sure that I would not carry on playing.

 

[-Wedge-]

Would a 3 day ban be considered a warning?

 

[Aeiedil]

yup

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by Aeiedil
Imo a name should be put up for bans, but not for warnings.

sounds sane to me. and i dont think that there is anything wrong with pulling mobs on enemy players.. i would rather call it inspired.

G

 

[old.Attle]

Originally posted by old.giriam


sounds sane to me. and i dont think that there is anything wrong with pulling mobs on enemy players.. i would rather call it inspired.

G

Well, they guy we are talking about pulled a mob on his own realm mates, for "fun"

 

[-Wedge-]

It does give you the chance to kill some of the realm mates you really do not like

 

[old.Machiavelli npv]

Its seems unlikely from Goa's statement that users will be banned. Seems people reported for bug abuse get a warning and when those people have to be careful about getting caught they get bored and quit playing the game.



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[Flimgoblin]

Can you pull a mob on your own realm mates?

I was under the impresssion that if you had an aggro chasing you it would ignore everyone else... then when it chomped you it would go home.


Or is that just if you zone out/escape? (like in mithra)

Of course if they jump in to help you...

 

[Zargar]

Hmm I just want to put in a note here, specifically concerning the Glacial Giant:

The Glacial Giant is Neutral. It will not attack you if you, or someone from your group, doesnt attack it first.

I will not get into a discussion about the specific incident discussed in this threat, but please consider what the above statement implies.

Regarding having an official GOA blacklist, it is something that will never happen. We punish players who break the Code of Conduct by warning, suspension or banning. Often it is enough to prevent people from repeatedly breaking the CoC (except in a few cases), and that is the goal here. If the person starts to think about his actions after a warning, then we have no wish to ruin his game experience. Further, I believe the people who REALLY belong on a blacklist like that, are already known in the community.

 

[old.rauthian]

if someone cast confuse onto it , it will the attack anyone in its way as it is as the spell says confused