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[old.Nafta]

This translates in many instances to better organiztion, better grouping, and better

The culture in America is that you play to win, and that everyone you ever meet or know is fundamentally on the same team you are and shares the same values (remember, america only has two borders, and both are with relatively unappealing countries...Mexico because it is lawless and nasty, and Canada because it is cold and very far for most folks).

Ok this I can agree with, part from the "being on the same team" bullshit. If I'm not mistaken you have an American Taliban and that you should be better team players than the rest of the world is just a stupid statement in my ears, especially since everyone, maybe part from yerselves, regard you as entrepeneurs and individualists.

This translates in many instances to better organiztion, better grouping, and better taking/following orders...particularly in large groups.

If you are going to argue that you have good organization etc. please refer to the correct historical and to some extent geographical facts. For instance the great obstacles of nature the colonizers (which were crappy Europeans we decided to throw out) encountered and the vastness of the American nature.

Also, the American people are used to having a very large population to draw from, so idiots tend to get sifted out rather quickly.

Wrong, your idiots are more significant than the rest of the worlds idiots put together. The biggest one of em all, Mr. Bush, is in charge if I'm not mistaken.

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Contrast this to a reletively small population of people in Europe, many of whom dont speak very good english (you need a common frame of reference to team well), who are used to thinking in terms of tribal units, ethic groups, or little countries with a history of antagonism and isolative politics.
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We speak good enough English to be able to cooperate in Daoc ffs, and we're about as many as you, if not more. My friend don't even get me started on ethnic groups, yer contry have the most mixed up population in the world. Let me make it absolutely clear, not all Americans are wasps (white anglo saxon protestants) even though you seem to think so. We gave up isolative politics and antagonism before yer country was born.

Please go play on a US server, you just pissed me off with your ignorance and fucked up attitude towards the rest of the world.

 

[old.Glendower]

lol!

My god!

It always amuses me when some idiot takes a statement about intagibles, even one that was qualified, and tries to make it out to be some sort of assaultive argument.

I was simply telling you and the others what the popular culture and public perception of things is in this country, and its effects on game mechanics...a subject I dare say I am well qualified to comment on. This does not translate into any sort of attack on the abilities of individuals.

I have played mmorgs in both communities also, so I can see differences that you probably dont.

As for your attitude...thanks for illustrating my point so well


PS: In case you didn't know, Bush lost the popular vote by over 500,000. I was one of those votes. Dont forget to send Mr. Blair a big thank you for being Bush's butt-buddy on the war plans, too.

 

[elerand]

Re: sorry

Originally posted by old.Glendower
I didnt mean to imply anything derogatory. I should have said "relatively small english-speaking (as primary language, and I say this because we are basically discussing cultural dynamics on the english servers) population" perhaps.

And 320 million is very close to the population of the US. Thing is, in europe, it is scattered in a whole bucketload of smaller units, most of whom dont like each other much, as I described.


I hear a lot of commentary on this issue.
My wife is a lvl 50 druid, and is arguabley one of the best PvP/RvR druids on the server...just ask anyone who groups with her =b.

Boy you should hear her cus when someone starts telling her what she needs to be doing when, lol!

If you ever travelled in europe you'll find a lot of english speakers (secondary of course), the reason for the french/german servers is mostly for those that don't want to speak english or can't, I have friends on those servers and they CAN speak english, just happier speaking french/german.
Don't think culture has much bearing on the game through language alone, peoples personal values do. Maybe Europeans are more considerate of others due to cultural contact, we aren't all euro clones...yet
I have always found Americans to be very polite face to face and like anyone else defend their values just as vociferously.
320 million is more than the population of the US, last time I knew the number was approx 260 million, don't think the population increased by 60 million in a few years
People who often start telling others what to do often do it wrong, there is a right way to ask for things and sometimes healers/bards have bad days, get over it

 

[old.Glendower]

Actually, we just had a census.

Given the various amounts of guessing, I would say it is very close to 300million.

Oh, my comments probably make a bit more sense if peeps bother to go to the link and read the thread. As to culture not having any impact on game dynamics...given that culture, and cultural refrents impact EVERYTHING in any given population (or mix thereof), I would have to respectfully disagree with you. The science on this subject is called sociology...a very interesting field

 

[-optical-]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Dont forget to send Mr. Blair a big thank you for being Bush's butt-buddy on the war plans, too.

Wow, a yank that knows the name of a foreign leader.
It dont surprise me that you have hijacked this thread to chat about america, you americans have got this attitude you are superior to other people.
As for the american census how many are immigrants? all of them, cause i bet none recorded are natives.

 

[old.Glendower]

lol yet again!

LOL!

The original link is to an AMERICAN board, with posts by AMERICAN players about the US servers, so my comments are totally in context. I also find it amusingly ironic that you can speak of the evils of americans stereotyping, while practicing it yourself in the very same sentance! Hypocrites who live in glass houses and all...

The population issue is only to illustrate the potential pool of players and their interrelatedness in terms of commonality.

An easier way would be to simply look at the server populations...

Both of our english servers put together barely rival a single american server in these terms. This gives the US servers an advantage of more "cannon fodder" for raids, and also a larger pool (even if it a smaller absolute percentage let us say that the euro-english servers) of very good players to draw from for big raids, etc.

My position is that the value of playing on the euro servers is the very diversity of the people I meet. They think differently, and give my wife and I insight into other cultures we could not otherwise experience. However, it is mere fact to recognize that this diversity can indeed make large operations more difficult to perform.

Of course, there are always dimwitted arseholes in any part of the world who cannot be troubled to actually think about what they are reading (even if they can grasp the concepts at all) before they run off at the mouth with assumptions, as witnessed by some of the posts here =b.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Actually, we just had a census.

Given the various amounts of guessing, I would say it is very close to 300million.

Oh, my comments probably make a bit more sense if peeps bother to go to the link and read the thread. As to culture not having any impact on game dynamics...given that culture, and cultural refrents impact EVERYTHING in any given population (or mix thereof), I would have to respectfully disagree with you. The science on this subject is called sociology...a very interesting field

The figures I threw around are years old, culture is more to do with anthropology than sociology, a filed I spit on from great heights as it stereotypes people by common denominators.

Yes culture affects many things, language is a limited form of observation of interaction of culture though, immerse and understand

 

[-optical-]

fyi i play on the us servers (mid/merlin), and imo it aint that much different. You still get european players, but the biggest difference is that you see alot of canadians, americans and aussies. Apart from that its euro servers with 1.57.
Anyway, why you play excal due to the diverse cultures is stupid.
America is the most multicultural country in the world, you are a bit of everything. Or maybe the average yank believes he/she originates from North america. Wouldnt surprise me considering the average american dont even know where afghanistan is on the map.

 

[elerand]

Re: lol yet again!

Originally posted by old.Glendower
LOL!

The original link is to an AMERICAN board, with posts by AMERICAN players about the US servers, so my comments are totally in context. I also find it amusingly ironic that you can speak of the evils of americans stereotyping, while practicing it yourself in the very same sentance! Hypocrites who live in glass houses and all...

Without getting involved in a debate of yanks = good or evil I'll just say that they learnt everything they know about empire buiding from the brits ok

 

[elerand]

Re: lol yet again!

Originally posted by old.Glendower
LOL!

My position is that the value of playing on the euro servers is the very diversity of the people I meet. They think differently, and give my wife and I insight into other cultures we could not otherwise experience. However, it is mere fact to recognize that this diversity can indeed make large operations more difficult to perform.

One last thing, try reading "lila" by robert m pirsig, an author you migh tof heard of, one of the best books on the subject of so called observation I have read, once you get past the vague story included in his metaphysics.

 

[old.Nafta]

I was simply telling you and the others what the popular culture and public perception of things is in this country, and its effects on game mechanics...a subject I dare say I am well qualified to comment on. This does not translate into any sort of attack on the abilities of individuals.

I'm sorry mate, you're not qualified at all since your comments are either plain stupid or just utter bullshit, not to mention biased in a rather scary way.

Now go back and investigate the US mmporg community and write a paper on how pop culture and the etnic composition of a country affects the Daoc skill and tp on a server. Cause our's is the loss if you don't put your incredibly clairvoyant and intellectual comments (which you are indeed qualified to make..... not) in print.

Final note on Mr. Bush, interesting that he can win an election with lesser voices than his opponent. Sounds like a really uber system you've got over there Or perhaps Yanks can't count, beats me.

Regarding Mr. Blair I do agree that he's rather spineless and indeed Mr. Bush's little lap dog, on the other hand I didn't vote for him, hell I don't even live on the British Isles.

 

[SingerOfSoul]

it really makes me laugh how ppl say bards go into heal mode
nope they play end and sprint round like headless bastard for the next 2mins of the fight til they have used up all there gadgets ra' and gizmo's
outline of an rvr battle for me...
run in
mezz
play end
sprint
use FA cos youre being chased by a tank stuck to you
use ip cos you have still tank on you and are being nuked to shit
die

most of the time this is because that 1 tank didnt take his time to hang back and take the tank tailing my ass

 

[Cloak_]

I must be one of the minority then ?

Plenty of times have my grps "wooted" at my mezzes, mebbe its coz i fuk up the easy ones then nxt time round i manage to mezz 5fg`s lol

What does my head in is when im grpd with a lvl 30ish bard and when i mezz they say "fook me i mezzed em all"